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[scene_cachet]

@scene_cachet: The kind of people who are likely to figure out issues like the XP exploit are exactly the kind of player needed for beta testing, me thinks. Better to nail that **** down before it ever goes live.

 

They're also the type of people who don't report these things in order to abuse the exploit till word of mouth ruins it for them.

 

Basically if all your ill gained promotions and xp were taken away from you, that you spent months grinding for would feel exactly the same as someone who grinded daily to keep their place on the Leaderboards the legit grind method until these exploiters came.  

 

Actually probably feel worse for the leaderboard person because they've been grinding since day 1.

[Kissraven]

What day did they start tracking weekend challenges and how many u got??

I believe in early January, and I only missed 1 weekend challenge, so only 5 total points missed.

[Denrok1]

I don't see roll backs happening. The time and effort required would be too great, me thinks. Bans are the most likely punishment; it's just a question of permanent, or temporary.

BIoware is not going to ban a single player for any abuse of a glitch in damp even if it violates the ToA. They have not done so for a glitch yet and they are not going to do so in the future. Just know this is the reality of this game and proceed forward based on your ethics.

[Felis Menari]

They're also the type of people who don't report these things in order to abuse the exploit till word of mouth ruins it for them.

Simply because someone is good at finding exploits or loopholes does not inherently mean that they are inclined to do bad things.

[sonofbarak]

So 0 out of 0 how many do you got?? Like 745 of 750

[Kissraven]

So 0 out of 0 how many do you got?? Like 745 of 750

773 out of 835 according to HQ webpage. 427 of 430 showing in weekend challenge section and my Prestige is 1063, with 321 promotions. Don't ask me how Prestige is calculated, had a thread about that once and no one could 100% clarify, just that some challenges give 2 points instead of 1. Oh and 1,300hrs + on multiplayer. 

 

You?

[sonofbarak]

773 out of 835 according to HQ webpage. 427 of 430 showing in weekend challenge section and my Prestige is 1063, with 321 promotions. Don't ask me how Prestige is calculated, had a thread about that once and no one could 100% clarify, just that some challenges give 2 points instead of 1. Oh and 1,300hrs + on multiplayer. 

 

You?

 

My weekend challenge shows 794 out of 795. 450 of 450

[Kissraven]

My weekend challenge shows 794 out of 795. 450 of 450

Interesting. What platform are you on? (I'm X1)

 

Wonder if the weekend challenge I missed was more than one 5 star challenge... Or if I missed something else as I was out of town in April for almost 2 weeks. Always hated missing out on weekend challenges in ME3, so tried to keep with with damp, but hey real life for the win! lol

[scene_cachet]

Simply because someone is good at finding exploits or loopholes does not inherently mean that they are inclined to do bad things.

 

And at the same time they are because they take advantage of the loophole when it's out in the wild. 

 

As I said, I don't care how you play your game... But don't act like a victim if you are reprimanded for it. 

 

People were taking a dig at someone complaining about being screwed out of the Leaderboard because of the exploit.... Same people who are now complaining they might lose all their progress.... It's pretty lol. 

[sonofbarak]

Interesting. What platform are you on? (I'm X1)

 

Wonder if the weekend challenge I missed was more than one 5 star challenge... Or if I missed something else as I was out of town in April for almost 2 weeks. Always hated missing out on weekend challenges in ME3, so tried to keep with with damp, but hey real life for the win! lol

 

Ps3 so the new challenges are not there

[Kissraven]

Ps3 so the new challenges are not there

It sounds like you will not get all of the newer challenges, sorry no more support for old platforms.   I bought my X1 because I was afraid of that happening, but I really do sympathize as I've had other issues with tech/electronics stuff and losing support just after a purchase.

[xxthat guyxx]

God.. no 1 gives a.f. if they ban

 

Bioware ... if you plan to ban do it

 

 us glitchers  as we are so named. Used this bug of free will.

 

We knew it was the easy way out. Thats exactly why we did it.

 

What we did not know was how long you were going to let it go on for. Most expected 24 hrs or less.

 

We also did not expect these 10 or less players would be so off the wall mad over it.

 

My point is those who glitched did it because we dont care about it like that.

 

Damp is fun yes. But honestly when i bought the game i didnt even know it had mp.

 

So if the devs feel like they need to ban any 1 start with me.. public enemy #1

 

Maybe devs should post a poll and see how every 1 feels with no names do a blind poll

 

1. we ban players that have used bugs\glitches

2. I have no worries on either end

3. No bans just let it go!

 

it would be fun to see how the votes add up.

[sonofbarak]

God.. no 1 gives a.f. if they ban

 

Bioware ... if you plan to ban do it

 

 us glitchers  as we are so named. Used this bug of free will.

 

We knew it was the easy way out. Thats exactly why we did it.

 

What we did not know was how long you were going to let it go on for. Most expected 24 hrs or less.

 

We also did not expect these 10 or less players would be so off the wall mad over it.

 

My point is those who glitched did it because we dont care about it like that.

 

Damp is fun yes. But honestly when i bought the game i didnt even know it had mp.

 

So if the devs feel like they need to ban any 1 start with me.. public enemy #1

 

Maybe devs should post a poll and see how every 1 feels with no names do a blind poll

 

1. we ban players that have used bugs\glitches

2. I have no worries on either end

3. No bans just let it go!

 

it would be fun to see how the votes add up.

 

Just make an thread all ready geez
 

[Spectr61]

While I agree that all glitches can be detrimental to the game and or community, there has always been a hierarchy for what is accepted and not accepted in gaming. The community and developers decide this, sometimes via how easy it is to fix, sometimes because of public outcry, sometimes because it truly is unethical. I am not posting to justify the actions of others, but some glitches still require you to earn the rewards, meaning that completing a match is still not guaranteed and can't be done much faster than normal, thus getting little to no unearned xp.
 
With the xp glitch just the act of completing a game on any difficulty gave a player "unearned" xp, which is different than a lot of the other glitches and BioWare has worked to stop the glitches that also helped to give unearned xp. I do not like auto-canceling, but it is hardly a game changer of a glitch. However, going towards Piffle's point, why would someone who uses these lesser glitches be so aggressive in calling out others who used the xp glitch... 
 
Regardless of what has been or is said, the community would have benefited from a quicker fix, clearer communication, and discipline for people who have "abused" the glitch. No healing will take place until trust is restored to the community, which cannot happen without some repercussions for players actions. (Ideally xp rollback and not bans, but hey it is what it is as this point)

Raven,

With your address of hypocrisy, I agree.

I do not agree that there are levels of severity to glitches. While some are stronger and more game-breaking than others, all are glitches.

To me to extol the use of one, while on the other hand condemning another, is the height of hypocrisy. (I.e. animation cancelling v XP exploit)

In ME3 Bioware came out and explicitly allowed reload cancelling, I may have missed it, but did they do the same for DAI concerning attack animation cancelling?

And as far as the community, from my view, it should be either bans, or deletion of all leaderboards. Else, what are they measuring?

[Kissraven]

Raven,

With your address of hypocrisy, I agree.

I do not agree that there are levels of severity to glitches. While some are stronger and more game-breaking than others, all are glitches.

To me to extol the use of one, while on the other hand condemning another, is the height of hypocrisy. (I.e. animation cancelling v XP exploit)

In ME3 Bioware came out and explicitly allowed reload cancelling, I may have missed it, but did they do the same for DAI concerning attack animation cancelling?

And as far as the community, from my view, it should be either bans, or deletion of all leaderboards. Else, what are they measuring?

Thanks for reading my posts.    FYI This is TLDR 

 

I wrote a lot yesterday, but I never said that one glitch was better or worse then the other. My exact comments state that their is a hierarchy to glitches, and this holds true of most things in life. Saving a life versus saving a possession as an example. The term "hierarchy" is different than severity, as it implies a rank or organizational method rather than what is a worse glitch. My point was that the community and Dev's will always rank game issues/glitches/exploits, etc. I was merely exploring where these ranks are for DAMP, and showing some of the possible reasoning behind some people's mentality in regards to why the xp glitch has been such a hot topic and other glitches have not been.

 

You are correct that if one uses one glitch then their is culpability regardless of which glitch they used. In my post that discussed hypocrisy I also stated that using one glitch and denouncing another is hypocritical. I personally have not extolled the use of any glitch, and even said in the post you quoted I was not trying to justify the use of them. We learn through discussion, and trying to understand how others think and perceive the world. Hypocrisy will always exist, as it's closely linked to human nature and our fight or flight mentalities. While in it's purest form no one likes a hypocrite, it is in itself not something to hunt down and exterminate. You may say you love someone, but then you hurt that person through your actions or words. This is a form of hypocrisy, but that would not make you evil.

 

I can appreciate your stance as I myself feel similar to you, but the world does not work in such a pristine way. This view is akin to that of a Paladin, a righteous warrior who is fixated on judging and exterminating what he/she deems evil. The very act of thinking you alone know what is right or wrong 100% is hypocritical as we are not a society of one. Just like we have elections for political officials or corporate boards that determine business transactions. The world operates based on an amalgamation of beliefs and ideas. That in order to do what is right for all we must consult with all, and then determine what the majority believes is right.

 

In DAMP, there is no voting, and ultimately BioWare has full control over any decision or process. However, we the community use the forums almost as a lobbyist to potentially sway the decision of Dev's as we deem best. The Dev's listen to the community and try to incorporate a balanced decision based on what they think is best for their game and for us the patrons of said game. While we are not a society of one, we all do have an individual right to judge, and I see nothing wrong with making certain judgements. BioWare stated not to "abuse" the glitch, and a lot of people had a similar individual judgement not to participate knowingly. 

 

BioWare has also stated the leaderboards will not be reset/deleted, and the only type of discipline will be bans. (not sure if permanent or temporary or any bans at all) I really wish the "unearned" xp could be removed, but it can't so yes I agree that some form of discipline is warranted. BioWare will do what they feel is best and we must live with it, but know that the forum is a sample of the community. (kind of like having unofficial representatives) I see no problem with discussing these types of issues, as that brings awareness, and hopefully one day damp will be glitch/exploit free, but if not I will still play as long as I'm having fun and feel I can trust BioWare to build as fair of a gaming environment as possible.

 

TLDR:

- Thanks and we have similar beliefs

- Wither you believe all glitches are created equal or not, ultimately BioWare and the community decide what is and is not acceptable. DAMP is a multiplayer game, so there are many views and ways to answer a problem, but there will always be some not happy with the final result.

- Hypocrisy sucks, but just feeling this way does not eliminate it and even those who abhor it can fall prey to it easily. However, it's not the end of the world when it happens and things cannot get better if they are ignored.

- A voice is meant to be heard, and the forum is where us DAMP players get to use our voice. (Hopefully in a constructive manner)

[Roc]

 
Damp is fun yes. But honestly when i bought the game i didnt even know it had mp.
 
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Yeah right... This thread is hilarious!

[Spectr61]

Thanks for reading my posts.    FYI This is TLDR 
 
I wrote a lot yesterday, but I never said that one glitch was better or worse then the other. My exact comments state that their is a hierarchy to glitches, and this holds true of most things in life. Saving a life versus saving a possession as an example. The term "hierarchy" is different than severity, as it implies a rank or organizational method rather than what is a worse glitch. My point was that the community and Dev's will always rank game issues/glitches/exploits, etc. I was merely exploring where these ranks are for DAMP, and showing some of the possible reasoning behind some people's mentality in regards to why the xp glitch has been such a hot topic and other glitches have not been.

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Raven,

BLUF; The hierarchy v severity argument is too obtuse for me.

In the hierarchy model, how do the devs rank the exploits? Some are "ranked" higher than others, else no hierarchy.

My guess is that severity is used as a discriminator in this model.

[Spin-Orbit]

Can we let this thread just die a natural death? BW will do what they will do, all this divisive discussion just highlights the facts we are all different. Let's play the game and whine about craps in there, like Disconnects, matchmaking etc.

 

Edit,, i did say my last post before so this is my last post after last post on this topic

[Spectr61]

Can we let this thread just die a natural death? BW will do what they will do, all this divisive discussion just highlights the facts we are all different. Let's play the game and whine about craps in there, like Disconnects, matchmaking etc.
 
Edit,, i did say my last post before so this is my last post after last post on this topic

Good.

Got something co constructive to post, even better.

Asking for others to modify their behavior to suit you, not so good.

[Sulaco_7]

God.. no 1 gives a.f. if they ban

 

Bioware ... if you plan to ban do it

 

 us glitchers  as we are so named. Used this bug of free will.

 

 

Glitchers are in DAMP purgatory right now.  They don't know whether to invest more time into the game or stop playing because they will be banned anyways.

 

Ironic, Bioware's indecision is probably the best punishment yet. lol.

[Kissraven]

In the hierarchy model, how do the devs rank the exploits? Some are "ranked" higher than others, else no hierarchy.

My guess is that severity is used as a discriminator in this model.

You are correct that severity would be a factor in determining hierarchy. I do not know what the Dev's consider most severe or important, but since things like leaving a game in wave 5 and joining back in with a level 1 and the xp glitch have been fixed while other glitches or mechanics (if you will) are still active I think it gives us an idea of what the Dev's and/or community deem important. (Things that dramatically speed up progression of promotions)

 

I'd like to understand that also, which is partly why I brought it up. However, that discussion would probably be best in another thread.

 

Can we let this thread just die a natural death? BW will do what they will do, all this divisive discussion just highlights the facts we are all different. Let's play the game and whine about craps in there, like Disconnects, matchmaking etc.

 

Edit,, i did say my last post before so this is my last post after last post on this topic

You are correct, BioWare will do what they do. If you would like a thread to die, then best course is to not post as that brings it back to the top. However, I do not see a problem with these discussions, after all we are human and many have feelings they want to work through and that is one purpose of the forums. I don't feel most of what has been said here falls under being "divisive" and is more just discussion. I have met some cool people in the forums and it affects the way I think which is great. To each is own, and I'm sure this will die soon, but hopefully it was helpful to some as I enjoy hearing what others think about a game I have invested a lot of time into.

 

Glitchers are in DAMP purgatory right now.  They don't know whether to invest more time into the game or stop playing because they will be banned anyways.

 

Ironic, Bioware's indecision is probably the best punishment yet. lol.

Probably true to some extent. The lack of quick action now that the fix is in is like being told to go to your room knowing you are about to get a spanking and hearing footsteps outside your door, but it never opening. I do not think that is nice, and we all wish this was resolved already. Oh, and how is that exfoliating regime coming? 

[Spectr61]

[quote name="Kissraven" post="19565848" timestamp="1439754825"]You are correct that severity would be a factor in determining hierarchy. I do not know what the Dev's consider most severe or important, but since things like leaving a game in wave 5 and joining back in with a level 1 and the xp glitch have been fixed while other glitches or mechanics (if you will) are still active I think it gives us an idea of what the Dev's and/or community deem important. (Things that dramatically speed up progression of promotions)
 
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Raven,

My point remains, despite the relative severity of exploits, all are exactly that - exploits.

To me, relative severity, or heirarchy as you call it, is irrelevant.

Unless specifically OK'd by Bioware, like they did in ME3MP with reload cancelling, using any exploit is cheating the game.

So, attack animation cancelling spammers, on what exact grounds do you dislike XP exploit spammers?

[HelenCarnate]

Just saw guard glitch on the Xbone.  My necro was randomly getting guard without any equipment that would grant it.  Far from invulnerable though.

[nanotm]

when you got that random guard was pala next to you skill spamming ?

 

because it seems she has a skill that splashes excess guard onto the nearby players /

[ParthianShotX]

when you got that random guard was pala next to you skill spamming ?

 

because it seems she has a skill that splashes excess guard onto the nearby players /

 

bug though?