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[Kissraven]

My point remains, despite the relative severity of exploits, all are exactly that - exploits.

To me, relative severity, or heirarchy as you call it, is irrelevant.

Unless specifically OK'd by Bioware, like they did in ME3MP with reload cancelling, using any exploit is cheating the game.

So, attack animation cancelling spammers, on what exact grounds do you dislike XP exploit spammers?

 

1. We agreed we both and lots of others don't like glitches/exploits and that anything not working as the Dev's intended can potentially falls into this category.

2. I am not calling "severity" hierarchy or vice versa. They are different, as severity is just one component that makes up how to establish a hierarchy. For example I want to get the brakes on my car fixed before I get the side mirror replaced. Both are important, but brakes going out would be more dangerous than not having a mirror as I can swivel my head if need be and use the review mirror more.

3. Just because BioWare does not come outright and say something is ok does not mean it is an exploit. People find tax loopholes all the time, but this is legal, if albeit not the most nice of things. Creative uses of skills can happen that were not found in a BETA or Dev testing, if they become game changing then the Dev's address the issue if time, money and resources allow. 

4. I don't attack cancel, tried it, just don't like it and really never found it that awe inspiring or fun. I know lots of folks who do it though, and yes to an extent we have agreed that doing this or other glitches means your somewhat hypocritical when denouncing xp glitchers. However, that's life, and it's not always as pristine and fair as we want it to be. That's partly why a 'hierarchy" is a good thing because it allows the community and Dev's to put their resources toward the most important or "severe" issues first.

 

Last you will never get what you want if you expect everyone to play a game or live their life the way you think it should be played or lived. While I wish there were no glitches in DAMP, it's not something I want to fixate on to the point of not having fun or losing sleep. The Dev's or all of us as a community determine what is most important, and that happened to be the 2x lobbies the last month or so. Next month it will be no Dakspawn or new map if not coming next week like the Dev's have intimated. You can PM me if you want to get more philosophical on this matter as most probably don't want to read much more of this thread, but know that we mostly agree, yet we are not the only DAMP players and our opinions are just a drop in the bucket. 

[Spectr61]

Raven,

If you can post without using inane metaphor's, I would greatly appreciate it. Smacks of a lame attempt at teaching to me.

I not confuse tax law, or any other civic based law, with game exploit use. To me they aren't even remotely related.

And finally, how do you ever get yourself in a position to tell me if I will, or will not, get what I want? (Which you also have no idea what it is)

[coffbear7]

Apparently the wheels on the bus go round and round. Was the OP's intent to drum up more chest thumping?

I think he was asking if a "NEW " form of cheat was in play.  Can anyone say  Holy Hijack Batdude?

[GreatBlueHeron]

Piffle,
I advocated the same thing in multiple threads, all exploits are cheating the game in some manner.
Example, attack animation cancelling. It is a well accepted "exploit" by most, and most replies said to forget it, animation cancelling was here to stay.
My point is that once you start on the slippery path, logically, what's the difference between that and glitching a lobby?
Most said things like "not game breaking" or "not as bad as animation cancelling" or some such.
However, the point remains, an exploit is an exploit. Levels of import do not change that.

Oh, geeze. Bioware set the precedent for animation cancelling--they themselves gave it the OK in me3 mp. It falls under clever use of in-game mechanics.

[Zantazar]

God.. no 1 gives a.f. if they ban

 

Bioware ... if you plan to ban do it

 

 us glitchers  as we are so named. Used this bug of free will.

 

We knew it was the easy way out. Thats exactly why we did it.

 

What we did not know was how long you were going to let it go on for. Most expected 24 hrs or less.

 

We also did not expect these 10 or less players would be so off the wall mad over it.

 

My point is those who glitched did it because we dont care about it like that.

 

Damp is fun yes. But honestly when i bought the game i didnt even know it had mp.

 

So if the devs feel like they need to ban any 1 start with me.. public enemy #1

 

Maybe devs should post a poll and see how every 1 feels with no names do a blind poll

 

1. we ban players that have used bugs\glitches

2. I have no worries on either end

3. No bans just let it go!

 

it would be fun to see how the votes add up.

 

Arithmetic is not your strong point is it?

 

Zan the Man has a Plan

[Spectr61]

Oh, geeze. Bioware set the precedent for animation cancelling--they themselves gave it the OK in me3 mp. It falls under clever use of in-game mechanics.

Heron, I know.

However, that was for ME3, not DAI. I may have missed it, but I have seen nothing from Bioware authorizing it in DAI.

Also, in ME3MP, Bioware did not consider spawn point nuke speed running outside normal bounds.

In DAI, Bioware did not like spawn camp speed running in FC, so they ham fistedly changed the spawn points to disallow it. (they changed the spawn points to a size so small that enemies were literally spawning on top of players)

They have since changed the spawn points yet again, but the point is they are doing this to prevent spawn camp speed running, while they allowed spawn nuke speed running in ME3.

Therefore I am not sure attack animation cancelling is copacetic in DAI, unless Bioware comes out and explicitly says so. ( like I said, I may have missed it if they did. If anyone has a link to where they did, please post.)

[nanotm]

pretty sure they already said animation cancelling was ok to do on daimp,  still don't know how you do it consistently on me3mp without a controller nor indeed have I managed to successfully animation cancel on daimp other than looting a bunch of pots in a clump ....

[Texasmotiv]

Are we really talking about this again? They OP wasn't even about this.

[ruggie]

Can we ban the newbs in nm and hb public they're not highly skilled so that's cheating. All you whiners about bans should stfu your not doing the community good because you are bad at the game get over it.

[ruggie]

Also if the cancel falls under clever use of I'm game mechanics didn't the xp glitch fall in that too? I mean the number 1 players across all consoles been doing that a lot longer than most. No one gave a flying f word until it became popular now you all want bans and are giving biowhile a reach around trying to get them to do it. How about you accept its a co op have and move on. If it was pvp is care more but it's not and I was top 20 getting passed by people from the 70 range.... most of you cry babys probably only dream of being on the board. Go play Destiny like a good little girl and stop playing this same song over and over.

[Spectr61]

[quote name="ruggie" post="19568540" timestamp="1439821195"]Also if the cancel falls under clever use of I'm game mechanics didn't the xp glitch fall in that too?

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Exactly my point.

Does anyone know if Bioware authorized the cancelling animation exploit for DAI?

If so please post link.

If not, is it being used and accepted just because other game(s) authorized it?

[GreatBlueHeron]

[quote name="Spectr61" post="19568678" timestamp="1439823383"]

[quote name="ruggie" post="19568540" timestamp="1439821195"]Also if the cancel falls under clever use of I'm game mechanics didn't the xp glitch fall in that too?

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Exactly my point.

Does anyone know if Bioware authorized the cancelling animation exploit for DAI?

If so please post link.

If not, is it being used and accepted just because other game(s) authorized it?[/quote]

I don't have a link nor claim they said it was OK in damp. All I can go off of is what was said for me3 mp and the fact that bioware has not said it wrong nor have they done anything to discourage it (like they did with damp spawn camps).

[GreatBlueHeron]

Can we ban the newbs in nm and hb public they're not highly skilled so that's cheating. All you whiners about bans should stfu your not doing the community good because you are bad at the game get over it.

Can we ban players who call for noobs to be banned from nm?

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

Can we ban the newbs in nm and hb public they're not highly skilled so that's cheating. All you whiners about bans should stfu your not doing the community good because you are bad at the game get over it.

  

Also if the cancel falls under clever use of I'm game mechanics didn't the xp glitch fall in that too? I mean the number 1 players across all consoles been doing that a lot longer than most. No one gave a flying f word until it became popular now you all want bans and are giving biowhile a reach around trying to get them to do it. How about you accept its a co op have and move on. If it was pvp is care more but it's not and I was top 20 getting passed by people from the 70 range.... most of you cry babys probably only dream of being on the board. Go play Destiny like a good little girl and stop playing this same song over and over.

Airing out dirty laundry?

[sonofbarak]

Really????

[xxthat guyxx]

Glitchers are in DAMP purgatory right now.  They don't know whether to invest more time into the game or stop playing because they will be banned anyways.

 

Ironic, Bioware's indecision is probably the best punishment yet. lol.

Or just maybe players with a real life just got board doing the same thing over and over again.

As i have told you most just don't care about it like that.

 

This is why players  glitched in the 1st place. To help them not to harm others.

[Spectr61]

ame="Spectr61" post="19568678" timestamp="1439823383"]

I don't have a link nor claim they said it was OK in damp. All I can go off of is what was said for me3 mp and the fact that bioware has not said it wrong nor have they done anything to discourage it (like they did with damp spawn camps).

Heron,

That sounds right.

Precedence does have it's place.

It would make sense if not for the difference concerning spawn point exploitation.

What confuses me is why Bioware allowed the exploitation of spawn points in ME3MP, it not DAIMP.

And does this carry over to the animation cancelling exploit?

A word or two from the Devs would be great.

Bioware?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Are we really talking about this again? They OP wasn't even about this.

 

You don't understand. People somewhere may have done something they weren't supposed to in a video game that didn't hurt anyone. There is literally nothing more important than this!

[ParthianShotX]

that didn't hurt anyone. 

 

I believe this is the part that is open to debate and which is being freely debated.

[Denrok1]

No one since this game has come out last November has been banned for using a glitch. Again, If BioWare was going to ban accounts they would have done so by now. This is just a fact of this game. Something to understand. If you value a fair playing field you are better off in a different game. Just offering up my objective opinion.

[sonofbarak]

Not true I know a player that got banned

[Denrok1]

Well then, I stand corrected.

[Denrok1]

Not true I know a player that got banned

 

There are still a great many active players on the top 25 xbox1 leader board (that I was tracking and have since stopped) that glitched their way up there or glitched to stay up there. I wonder if anything will happen to them. I doubt it though. I quit the game last week over this debacle. ; ; 

[sonofbarak]

There are still a great many active players on the top 25 xbox1 leader board (that I was tracking and have since stopped) that glitched their way up there or glitched to stay up there. I wonder if anything will happen to them. I doubt it though. I quit the game last week over this debacle. ; ; 

 

The wheels of justice are slow Denrok1, take an break come back after the bans.

[Spectr61]

Not true I know a player that got banned

If it's that player that has a special place for Antarctic birds, that ban wasn't for cheating.

Do you know of a player banned for cheating or abusing exploits?