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[RenAdaar]

 

I can't unsee that know damn it.

[CoM Solaufein]

This is not female armour this military issued armour. In empire everyone is equal. Sith are more equal than everyone else.

 

But really disney.

total win.

[Nefla]

Such ungratefulness towards BioWare.....right,they created this fantastic game for you but they just forgot to create a Donna Karen evening dress for your charater...you can create your own armor in Skyhold using "CRAFT ARMOR"! They actually has some pretty good armors for female if you know how to use the armor table...and later you can change the color using the "TINT ARMOR" table.

-I don't consider the game to be "fantastic" there were good parts sure and it set up a potentially interesting sequel with trespasser, but fantastic? No.

-Even if one considers those outfits you gave as examples to be appealing, two of them don't look that way on the female inquisitor, only on a specific companion) and the third is a paid DLC item pack.

-The previous two DA games had a much larger variety of armor designs for the player. DA:I has a handful of designs (most which are not available to Qunari at all) repeated over and over with slight tweaks here and there.

[AlanC9]

My non-AW mages had only two available looks in DA:O -- three in the early game, but after the Chasind robes are outclassed there's only Circle style and Tevinter style, and almost all the good stuff is Tevinter style.

[RenAdaar]

I wish the inquisitor could wear this armour. It was my favourite in da2

 

 

 

 

I was really disappointed to see random npc's wearing it 

[Shechinah]

This is not female armour this military issued armour. In empire everyone is equal. Sith are more equal than everyone else.

 

The point remains and, in my opinion, it is a good point; armor worn by women do not have to indicate their gender or appear feminine in any way. 
 

[Abyss108]

Female armor is armor that is worn by and fits a female. So, yes, that is female armor.

[thepiebaker]

There are slight differences in the form of a male and female body. There is a difference in the armor issued for both sexes because armor needs to fit a lerson's for just right or it might be more of a hindrance than protection.

[The Baconer]

I wish the inquisitor could wear this armour. It was my favourite in da2

 

 

 

 

I was really disappointed to see random npc's wearing it 

 

You can, barring the mask (AFAIK). 

[Deanna Troy]

Designing female armor in a Bioware game may just be the most difficult job in the entire game-making process. I can just imagine the designers and their team lead drawing straws to see who gets the job.

 

People always say "There's a balance between looking fit for battle and looking sexy", but is there really a balance? If there is, nobody knows what it looks like. There's always something wrong.

 

Even in DAi all the armors cover up a woman's ass, or am I the only one noticing that? Every shirt/armor/robe - whatever, either has a trench coat thing going on or the upper portion is just one giant box-shaped armor that extends all the way to your female character's thighs

Nope, it is the most easy thing ever. You don't have to follow a direction or fans, you just need to give people options, first you design extremes something like Origins skin-showing armors/robes or a more cute/sexy version of viviennes clothes and heavy armored tank armor, something it is impossible to combat in because it is way too heavy. Then you do the "in betweens".
So let's say we have 12 female armor designs and you ar enot a stupid company and want to let PEOPLE decide instead of FORCING down their throats:
1 - Full plate fantasy heavy armor, something like a thicker version of Sauron (LOTR) armor or FF XII judges armor
2 - Traditional full plate, no "female breasts" slot, no skin
3 - Heavy armor, no "female breats" slot
4 - Heavy armor with "female forms"
5 - Chainmail no breats very little skin
7 - Chainmail Breats and a little more skin
8 - Leather armor no breasts little skin
9 - Leather armor breats and a little more skin
10 - Robe fully clothed
11 - Robe cute/impractical accessories
12 - Robe sexy lots of skin (aka objectified version, in more "sexy" games this would be the chainmail bikini, ou just a bikini)
Done, EVERYBODY can be happy this way. People who want to create a character they can relate to will be able to do it, be it a trans man, a standard woman adventurer or a very feminine woman.

The problem with Inquisition is that instead of 1/3 of the armors being feminist/SJW, 1/3 traditional/classic/whatever and 1/3 sexy/impractical/etc, we have like 30 models and only 2~3 (depending on your definition) are kind of feminine/sexy and all 3 from DLC. Sad thing is that Vivienne can wear fabulous clothing but you can't (well I can because I use a mod for it), so they just decided for you that Inquisitors must be ugly (my definition).

I'm all ok with feminism in games, I said it many times, if they want to populate thedas with black butch lesbians it does not offend me in any way, same with the galaxies in Mass Effect, my ONLY problem is with them making me have MY character with ugly clothing. It is fantasy, if I have the same restrictions of real life it is pointless, armor and clothing in fantasy are supposed to be as impractical as characters powers. I can't runs through mountains, rivers and sand in stilettos but I also can't be invisible, crack the ground or create lightning. If you tell me that running in heels (there are stiletto races, google it, also people who perform various stunts in stilettos, just youtube it or whatever) is less believable than killing a dragon I suggest you look for a doctor. And if you say "why not for men", be my guest, do the same model for men or women, make men wear dresses, bikinis or stilettos, whatever brings me pretty clothing is acceptable, even putting Sonic the Hedgehog and Rainbowdash as sub-bosses and a fusion of Superman and Goku as final boss.

Hell, even in (unmodded) Fallout 4 (that is supposedly a more realistic world) I can go on adventure in pretty dress and heels (both male and female).

But again, I have no problem with they balancing things in numbers as I suggested, making some armors for people who want practical armor e some armors for people who want to look pretty/cute/sexy/whatever, but I have a HUGE problem with them trying to make a balanced cohesive aesthetic/world. Why? Well because it in fact it makes the world less believable. There are all sorts of people in real life, people who favor survival, people who favor health, people who favor vanity, people who favor pride and so on, so imposing that all Inquisitors/Hawkes/Wardens would use the same kind of armor is more unbelievable than a mabari defeating flemeth flying on a griffon.

And furthering my point of not being against social justice, they should make the opposite of what they did with Inquisitor x Vivienne, let only player have the option to be sexy, so that it is a choice, and none of the NPCs. No unclothed, sexy, objectified, damsel in distress or whatever woman. In fact they can make 100% social justice approved games as long as it does not include the player character, because it is mine, it is supposed to allow me to relate to. Just go on and make a game where there are no men, only women, both cis and trans (that if you don't go radical feminism, if so stick to cis women), only black people, no white people, and if it is their kink even otherkin and all other (as people say) tumblr ****, I don't care, I just want my character to look pretty. Oh and of course, no heterossexualism, of course, it is way too offensive... but wait, whatever, just give me pretty feminine clothing.

Now, if it is about not objectifying woman, why a black woman is exposing her breasts (Vivienne), there is a troop of High Heeled Space Babes (lots of Asari, Miranda and EDI in Mass Effect) but player characters can't? From my point of view Bioware is still promoting the sexualization of woman, they are just trolls who do it, while removing your option to be pretty.

It is ridiculous to objectify women to the point of presenting them as vain babes (Miranda and Vivienne for intance) in both your biggest franchises and use the argument that player characters don't have sexy clothing because you are """"""""feminist""""""". Seriously, NOPE. Feminism is the opposite, you don't objectify women but allow them to do it if they want. Even in radical feminism, as much as their ideals would say that a feminine women is being feminine because the materialism (so media, conditioning, culture, and so on) lead her to submit to the patriarchy, it is not about FORCING a woman to abandon femininity, but encouraging women to understand the oppression that lead them to adopt such behaviors. So yeah, dying in battle because you want to look pretty is stupid, it is in fact anti-feminist, but ultimately A CHOICE of the person (in this case the player), that is precisely what Bioware is denying us.

[RenAdaar]

You can, barring the mask (AFAIK). 

Really? :0 

Probably not for qunari characters though 

[AlanC9]

So let's say we have 12 female armor designs and you ar enot a stupid company and want to let PEOPLE decide instead of FORCING down their throats:
1 - Full plate fantasy heavy armor, something like a thicker version of Sauron (LOTR) armor or FF XII judges armor
2 - Traditional full plate, no "female breasts" slot, no skin
3 - Heavy armor, no "female breats" slot
4 - Heavy armor with "female forms"
5 - Chainmail no breats very little skin
7 - Chainmail Breats and a little more skin
8 - Leather armor no breasts little skin
9 - Leather armor breats and a little more skin
10 - Robe fully clothed
11 - Robe cute/impractical accessories
12 - Robe sexy lots of skin (aka objectified version, in more "sexy" games this would be the chainmail bikini, ou just a bikini)
Done, EVERYBODY can be happy this way.

Note that this would lock DAI characters into very few looks until the late game, unless you change the crafting system so lower-tier materials also come with no class restriction. That would be simple enough to do, though.

[The Baconer]

Really? :0 

Probably not for qunari characters though 

 

Orlesian battlemage armor is the same thing, but with some extra straps over the chest. But yeah, human only. 

[Deanna Troy]

Note that this would lock DAI characters into very few looks until the late game, unless you change the crafting system so lower-tier materials also come with no class restriction. That would be simple enough to do, though.

Inquisition have only one model with few variations. The other armor, the kind that shares the looks with you companions is there only to "fill in the blanks", because Bioware tried to make Inquisitor as iconic as the companions, THANKFULLY someone there, during the development phase probably said "hey, what if people don't want to go on dressed like this?" then they made the templar armor, orlesian armor and so on.
I mean there is the base, divided in 3 tiers, with very little diferences and the 3 variations of addons, so I doubt it could become something worse than vanilla Inquisition
And about the crafting, well, there are lots of options, but if good looks came later in game it wouldn't be that much of a problem, it is still better than never having them

Now, on a (hater's) sidenote: I spent lots of time complaining about Inquisition looks and aesthetic options, something I do not about other franchises, the reason is that Inquisition is but a screenshot factory. After one playthrough (and I'm like lightyears from the first one now) battles become meaningless, story repeated and there is nothing but screenshots left. So yeah, being pretty while kissing Cullen or courting Cassandra is in fact a priority, as it is in the Winter Palace or even in battle.

[Stephiroth]

My feminquis armor in this video I made is decent...if you call that armor, lol.

 

...if you are head over heels for Cullen Rutherford...

[AlanC9]

Inquisition have only one model with few variations. The other armor, the kind that shares the looks with you companions is there only to "fill in the blanks", because Bioware tried to make Inquisitor as iconic as the companions, THANKFULLY someone there, during the development phase probably said "hey, what if people don't want to go on dressed like this?" then they made the templar armor, orlesian armor and so on.
I mean there is the base, divided in 3 tiers, with very little diferences and the 3 variations of addons, so I doubt it could become something worse than vanilla Inquisition

Hey, I was just counting the stuff in the list you posted. If your actual proposal is for more than that, then of course we could have ended up with more looks than what we got. I'd want more than that anyway, since four or five of the looks in your list strike me as utterly worthless, so as written I'd personally come off worse than with the existing system. But that's a personal taste thing.

Of course, we may count these things differntly. I'm counting looks per PC, not over all PCs. Your plan would offer more looks overall since looks wouldn't be shared between different armor types, but in practice I wouldn't care about this; I'm not certain I'd even notice it myself if not for discussions like this.

[DarthSliver]

you know whats worst than female armors is female qunari's and the devs went as far as to tease us with the Par Vollen Decor in DAI Skyhold by showing us Female Qunaris with long hair. Sorry it just drives me nuts I can't make a fem qunari I am truly happy with. Figured it fit perfectly with this thread since Female Armors we argue for are because we want to make a good looking character and keep them that way even in armor lol. 

[abisha]

next armor that Bioware gives for players total protection against anything.

even comes with Eye protection. who knows even starwars might give it for sith warriors in SWTOR

http://i.huffpost.co...QA-facebook.jpg

[RenAdaar]

Orlesian battlemage armor is the same thing, but with some extra straps over the chest. But yeah, human only. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

[RenAdaar]

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

I see myself abusing this in the future 

[OMTING52601]

To be fair, I think all the armor looks crappy. Especially the tier four stuff - pre Trespasser, cause I kind of like the way The Skin That (whatever) looks on everyone. 

 

I think what I dislike the most about the female armor is that almost all of it just looks so boxy or weird on the girls, especially Dwarves and Qunari. It's not really about sexy, for me, but like imagined comfort/usability. And that stuff don't look comfy.

[SomberXIII]

This thread made me remember VickVeel's Art vs Realism thread. Those were good times.
 

 

Spoiler

http://forum.bioware...m-again-please/

[Catilina]

This thread made me remember VickVeel's Art vs Realism thread. Those were good times.
 

Its not an armor, but sexual fetis

 

Look at: I'm not prudish, but I would like to enter into the spirit of a game on a some kind of level.

And I start being cold if I have to walk around in an iron bikini in snow through long clocks.

[actionhero112]

I get you OP. I'm just not immersed in a game unless I can theoretically suffocate myself in exposed cleavage. 

 

It's weird, Bioware is great at creating outfits that fit the companions, from the courtly and eyecatching style of Vivienne's robes, to the rough hard armor of Cassandra. 

But they were too afraid to put forth a definitive style for the player because it seems like they felt it would restrict how you imagined your character so everything feels conforming, uninspired and boringly unisex. Sure it's crowd pleasing, but it's not imaginative or creative in the slightest. I would take something a bit more risque than the bland porridge of armor we have now.  

 

Also it seems pretty easy to have varying lengths of trenchcoat instead of variety. 

 

How I see it anyways.