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[Darkstarr11]

Eyelashes.  It's ALL about the eyelashes.  And magically appearing/disappearing undergarments.  

[Ashaantha]

The heck? Did they copy the 'dancer outfit' from SWTOR for that? I mean, I thought it was just the top, not the bottoms too.

 

Whole outfit, it's from the female Qunari card at character creation too.

 

 

Yow, poor Dorian! Plaidweave makes my eyes want to BSoD. But I guess if anyone can pull it off, it's him.

 

Dorian can pull off any fashion, and look good while doing so. He can survive some awesome plaideweave! Yes I like plaideweave when it's tinted on well, with decent colour combos.

[Jaron Oberyn]

The only decent looking armor is the new qunarie armor.  The new armor from the deep roads,, I'm sure looks great on a male, But I feel like I'm wearing my dads 50 year old qunarie armor and I'm a elf female. Come on bio ware ,, cater to your female plays who want to look FEMALE.

Well you can thank the female players who don't want to look female. Apparently form fitting armor is "sexist" and indicative of a patriarchal development culture. Bioware has a history of caving to SJW ranting in their games. I wouldn't expect that to change any time soon.

[Nightsoul1]

Viv's armor is ,, imho,, both pratical and pretty. its NOT sluttis .   Nothing is .. Hanging out.  Its a female armor made for a female.. NOT a male.  Also I don't see why wanting to wear something pretty is wrong, And if YOU don't think females and males, want pretty clothes ( armor ) in this game, then you haven't been on DAI  Nexus mods,

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Once upon a time armour was made to keep the other person from stabbing big great dirty holes in your body,but now that the fashionistas have taken to the battle fields of Thedas all will be well.

[Jayce]

Yeah if you put beasts inside your armour, they might scratch.

 

Seriously though, real world armourers (or their customers) don't have to worry about practicality any more than game designers do. Noone is actually going to use them as protection. It's a look.

 

I did like Mass Effects armour, well, Shepards. They went and sexified up all (most of) the female follower NPCs. Then they did that in DA2. And then they went the opposite direction in DAI and made armour ugly for both genders.

 

Personally as a straight (grumpy old) man I do not like attempts to pander to me, which was basically what characters like Miranda and Isabela were for.

 

Funnily enough, Isabella's bare legs and 'bounciness' never bothered me, as they were much in keeping with her fairly sexually liberal attitude, and far too few female characters get to show sexual agency in, well frankly, any media without the **** shaming descending en masse.

 

Miranda's gratuitous... 'fan service' did bug me though.

[Korva]

Men and women look different.

 

Tell that to the people who complain that female characters "look like men" in perfectly practical, functional, gender-neutral armor. I can tell the difference just fine.

 

I suspect when most people say 'looks like a...' they mean by standard real world norms, whether you approve of those norms or not.

 

I know that. But that does not mean that these often very harmful norms that actively erase a lot of human diversity cannot be pointed out and questioned. And it is ironic when doing so incurs cries of "thought police" or similar insults, given the fact that the people doing the questioning are not the ones trying to enforce a narrow, monolithic stereotype. I'd just like folks to remember that there is no one way to look like, act, or be a woman (or man) -- and that features like "sexy" or practical gear, long or short hair, shouldn't be restricted to one gender only.

 

In Everquest 2, they portrayed children really weirdly, making them 2' tall models of the adult humans. This resulted in a little girl running around looking like a  barbie doll. In this case, in that game, the kid 'looked like a woman' which was not at all a good thing!

 

Bioware did something similar in SWTOR too. "Creepy as all-out f*ck" is what sprang to mind. I didn't play that game for much longer than the first month and only recall meeting one boy and one girl, but that was enough. (That has nothing to do with gender-neutral armor or with the "looks like a man" complaint, though.)

Modifié par Korva, 15 août 2015 - 10:34 .

[Dashen Thomas]

I tried to stay away from this thread as long as I could...

Anyway here are my thoughts: I think very few people are asking for a skimpy chainmail bikini. What a lot of people seem to want is simply that their character silhuette can be recognized as male or female just like they used to be in old Bioware games. This voice seem to get drowned by the self styled pro-"realistic" guard who tend to paint anyone not satisfied with the current androgynous look as wanting to oversexualize all female characters.

[heretica]

I tried to stay away from this thread as long as I could...

Anyway here are my thoughts: I think very few people are asking for a skimpy chainmail bikini. What a lot of people seem to want is simply that their character silhuette can be recognized as male or female just like they used to be in old Bioware games. This voice seem to get drowned by the self styled pro-"realistic" guard who tend to paint anyone not satisfied with the current androgynous look as wanting to oversexualize all female characters.

 

But it is sexualization of the female figure. It's not like they don't like the androgynous look, otherwise they would also complain about male armor. The problem here is what we consider "female" not the fact that the armors are ugly (some of them are, I agree with the OP.) And we consider to dress like a female is to dress basically revealing these sexual atributes, which is something I find laughable.

 

 "I would like my male silhouettes with crotches like Labyrinth Jareth's (picture below) So I can recognize their sexual attributes clearly", Said no one ever.

 

 

Spoiler

 

I would like my character to wear armor that reflects other things besides gender. To reflect their power as leader of Thedas' most influential organization, to reflect the class or personality traits, etc... 

[Jayce]

Oh I dunno, Heretica. Have you seen Aenaluck's fan art of her male Skyrim PCs? 

[Korva]

I'm not being snarky but serious and curious when I ask: how is a character's silhouette not immediately recognizable as male or female? I'd dance with joy if I could have an actual androgynous look via a choice of varied body models for both genders, instead of having all men be ripped and all women be scrawny (and gravity-defying).

[Jayce]

Which is one of the many MANY reasons I wish Bioware'd get with the program and offer mod support to the same degree Bethesda do.

[The Oracle]

I don't care if people want to mod it. I'm the same with Skyrim. If people want to make mods with that have their Inquisitor run around in a whale outfit, complete with functioning blowhole (lol, what it functions for, you decide) but don't whine and complain at Bioware for not screwing over their own IP. 

[Scofield]

same comments, same arguments, growing tired

 

if ppl want to dress there characters up, so be it, all the more to them, if ppl dont, the same goes, so be it

 

The biggest crime is not giving ppl options to do as they want in there game of roleplay, something BioWare is (after 2 spoils dlc) not guilty of, options could/should have been in from the start, they werent, but dlc has changed that.

 

Options for me in a RPG is paramount, whether or not i utilise all the options available to me is a different matter, but knowing they are available is all that matters if i decide to use them. knowing there is no other option is/was a huge turn of.

 

Roleplaying for me just doesnt include i picked choice A over choice B, roleplaying is everything from the character design to the armour my char wears to the choices they make to the replies in conversations, there armour of choice is as integral a part of that roleplay as the weapon they use, it tells it own story an speaks volumes of the person im trying to roleplay

[Malleficae]

And here is me, female playing female who likes how new armor for mage looks. 

 

[Scofield]

And here is me, female playing female who likes how new armor for mage looks. 

 

i can relate to that, looks my EX all the way down to the sound it makes

[The Baconer]

I tried to stay away from this thread as long as I could...

Anyway here are my thoughts: I think very few people are asking for a skimpy chainmail bikini. What a lot of people seem to want is simply that their character silhuette can be recognized as male or female just like they used to be in old Bioware games. This voice seem to get drowned by the self styled pro-"realistic" guard who tend to paint anyone not satisfied with the current androgynous look as wanting to oversexualize all female characters.

 

I think this is a misapplication of the term "silhouette". The silhouettes of female characters in this game are explicitly feminine, regardless of what armor they are wearing.

[Jayce]

 

This is the type of outfit I had in mind. [Credit: Sarah Burchill and Josephine Jonsson]

[Sah291]

Eh, Bioware has never really been known for very attractive armor, in my opinion. I can remember running around in gear slightly too low for my level in almost every game at some point, just to keep something I actually liked. I remember thinking armor was frumpy as far back as KOTOR. It's now 2015 and I still think armor is mostly frumpy. So comparing what they have had in past games and in other series....Inquisition is a step up in the right direction with the customizable patterns and color tinting. It could be better. That Skyhold outfit should be customizable....or at least tintable, as that color really clashes with some skintones and hair colors. I also would have liked to have a few more feminine styles...something like Viv or Sera's outfit. And robe styles for mages, which seem to have disappeared.

But again, comparing DAI to past Bioware... Armor crafting was actually fun. I noticed they made an effort to try and make male and female versions look somewhat different. I think what I would like to see is just more variety. Especially in a game with lots of different zones and settings where it actually makes sense to have different armor styles. The Avaar bear armor looks great in a cold/snowy region...and ridiculous in a hot tropical one.

[Malleficae]

Not sure if it is offtopic, but I wouldn't mind if armors for protag were in Sera's and Cole's style. I don't want armors from DAO which were oversexualized and I hope you don't want them too. I don't mind current armors but they might have more style. Sera is actually what I would totally wear - both in real life and in combat.

[Sah291]

Well you can thank the female players who don't want to look female. Apparently form fitting armor is "sexist" and indicative of a patriarchal development culture. Bioware has a history of caving to SJW ranting in their games. I wouldn't expect that to change any time soon.

I am old enough now to have seen feminist attitudes shift from embracing feminine, pretty, pink, and "sexy" styles as a form of self expression and empowerment....to embracing unisex styles (where "unisex" almost always defaults masculine). It's not even the first time. This happened back in the 80s...think shoulder pads (I can remember my mom spending time cutting those out of her clothes). I fully expect to see it shift again.

But fantasy has always had an unrealistic element to it. What has ever been practical about mages running around in combat in robes, etc? But it captures the imagination, and can look ethereal or other worldly, which is not inappropriate for a game so heavily about magic, the fade, etc.

[robertthebard]

I think a lot of people misunderstand when someone says they want more feminine looking armor. I don't necessarily think people want armor to look slutty so to speak but to look as if a female is actually wearing it as opposed to simply looking like a smaller version of a male. There is a difference between sexy and slutty.
 
The elven armor in the game is a perfect example of this. They look distinctively different on males and females. I wish more armor in the game was like this. The concept art even hints that this seemed to be the original goal. Don't know why the idea was abandoned.

I didn't read past this post, and really, I don't have to in order to answer your question. Just re-read the first page, you'll get your answer. In the "can we see more of the FemInquisitor thread, there were people complaining that a split tail coat actually split when people moved in it, calling it a "butt window". I'm frankly surprised BioWare didn't just give us stick people, but wait, maybe that explains the elves, yes?

[TastesLikeTNT]

Eyelashes.  It's ALL about the eyelashes.  And magically appearing/disappearing undergarments.  

 

And hair bow! You can't tell if someone's a girl or not without a hair bow.

 

On a more serious note; there is nothing wrong with wanting more... "traditionally feminine" outfits. The problem is that these are the only outfits that have been available to female characters for a long time (as Nixou pointed out, the same armor can be very different depending on gender). It gives the impression that female characters are not welcome unless they are sexually appealing, and it is a problem if this is the only way one can be "female".

[leaguer of one]

The armors which are 'sexy' and 'revealing' for women should be 'sexy' and 'revealing' on the men as well. 

[leaguer of one]

Not sure if it is offtopic, but I wouldn't mind if armors for protag were in Sera's and Cole's style. I don't want armors from DAO which were oversexualized and I hope you don't want them too. I don't mind current armors but they might have more style. Sera is actually what I would totally wear - both in real life and in combat.

Wait.... what armor in dao were oversexualized?