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[leaguer of one]

 

This is the type of outfit I had in mind. [Credit: Sarah Burchill and Josephine Jonsson]

Wow...that's going to be a muddy dress.

[berelinde]

I tried to stay away from this thread as long as I could...

Anyway here are my thoughts: I think very few people are asking for a skimpy chainmail bikini. What a lot of people seem to want is simply that their character silhuette can be recognized as male or female just like they used to be in old Bioware games. This voice seem to get drowned by the self styled pro-"realistic" guard who tend to paint anyone not satisfied with the current androgynous look as wanting to oversexualize all female characters.

Um... the silhouettes are clearly recognizable as male or female, and so is the rear view. To illustrate, consider the Inquisition heavy armor. It would be impossible to make it more obvious.

[Mihura]

Silhouette, type of body and that goddamn awful female animation, is what gives you the idea of female or male character. So I thank the devs that at least the armor is equal, best thing in DA:I by far.

 

Also IRL there is a lot of situations where you can ID some "genders" whiteout silhouettes and only animation, and I am talking about normal human animations, not the strange ones in DA:I. For example I worked during the summer last year in the tower that had 50 meters. Most of the time I could tell workers apart and in which part of the gender spectrum, they would be associate traditionally. Also everyone looked like the same with the protective gear at that distance. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

Wait.... what armor in dao were oversexualized?

 

The notable one is the Dalish leather armour - it's midriff-revealing on female characters but not male ones. (I remember because I spent several levels grudgingly wearing it the first time I played, while looking for something that would actually cover my Warden's innards. Then I handed it down to Zevran and was even more annoyed with the design.) There are also some instances of boob plate on the heavier armours.

[Forsythia77]

 

What even..?  How?  This looks like something one would see in a fetish club. Not that I go to a lot of fetish clubs.  Carry on.

[Sah291]

Wait.... what armor in dao were oversexualized?

Well, there was that one skimpy mage armor, but it could be used on both males and females, and you could simply choose to wear the long robe style instead if you wanted. Also Morrigan's outfit, if you want to count that, though it is only available for her and not the protagonist. But out of the vast majority of armor, there was actually very little that was skimpy or revealing, if I remember correctly. Both DAO and DA2 had the desire demons, but that's not armor, and female protagonists aren't forced to wear anything remotely close to that. The romance sex scenes were all done with underwear on also. So yeah I think DAO was relatively tame. DA2 didn't have any revealing player armor at all, I don't think, and neither did DAI until the Qunari outfit (which, again, is for both male and female).

They could probably stand to make DA a little bit sexier if they wanted to, without being in danger of over sexualizing things. Which they did for some of the DAI love scenes.

[ckriley]

I feel like this is a really easy fix.

 

1) Make the sexy armor optional.

2) Apply it to both genders.

 

And I say that as a guy.  I play both male and female characters in RPGs and I want them to look GOOD.  It's a fantasy after all.  I don't like the whole focus on realism.  When I read Homer, Hector and Achilles were basically fighting naked.  Same thing in Beowulf and a number of other world mythologies, such as Gilgamesh and the Mahabharata.  The heroes were larger than life.  Ridiculously beautiful.  Completely unrealistic.  These were essentially the first comic books after all, so everything was just over the top.

 

In Dragon Age, we are playing in a universe with flying dragons, rampaging giants, marauding demons, grotesque abominations and mages that can shoot fireballs from their eyes.  Not to mention being able to physically walk in the afterlife and time travel.  Yet somehow sexy armor is just too unbelievable.

 

Admittedly, as a man I do like to see sexy female characters way more than I do sexy male characters.  But I absolutely think if females are going to be portrayed in bikinis on the battlefield, then males should be shown the same way.  Hell, have you not seen 300?  Or any Conan movie?  So, it should work both ways.

 

Also, I need to echo what that other poster in this thread said about going to any medieval events or whatever.  Go to any cosplay party or comic book convention, or hell, just Halloween, and 99% of the women there are dressed provocatively.  The other 1% is Brienne of Tarth.  I dated a girl who was a huge fan of comic book movies and would go to conventions and midnight premieres of the Marvel movies, and you should have seen her Catwoman costume.

 

But the thing is, she didn't really stand out because literally ALL THE GIRLS were dressed just as skimpily. It's women that seem to want to look like that.  So, more power to them.  I certainly won't complain.  I just think as I said above it should be optional and apply to both genders.  Everyone wins.  

[Vilegrim]

Armour that would actually do some good doesn't look feminine, it looks like armour, no matter who wears it. 

[heretica]

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Admittedly, as a man I do like to see sexy female characters way more than I do sexy male characters.  But I absolutely think if females are going to be portrayed in bikinis on the battlefield, then males should be shown the same way.  Hell, have you not seen 300?  Or any Conan movie?  So, it should work both ways.

 

Also, I need to echo what that other poster in this thread said about going to any medieval events or whatever.  Go to any cosplay party or comic book convention, or hell, just Halloween, and 99% of the women there are dressed provocatively.  The other 1% is Brienne of Tarth.  I dated a girl who was a huge fan of comic book movies and would go to conventions and midnight premieres of the Marvel movies, and you should have seen her Catwoman costume.

 

But the thing is, she didn't really stand out because literally ALL THE GIRLS were dressed just as skimpily. It's women that seem to want to look like that.  So, more power to them.  I certainly won't complain.  I just think as I said above it should be optional and apply to both genders.  Everyone wins.  

 

Lol. Oh boy... 

[Wulfram]

With the narrow waste and the hips, there's a quite feminine air to this historical suit of armour, I think.  Even if it was designed for a man.

[D_Schattenjager]

Armour that would actually do some good doesn't look feminine, it looks like armour, no matter who wears it. 

 

Alice --> Alice in Wonderland

Isabelle --> Jack the Giant Slayer

Lady Sif --> Thor series

All examples of feminine and practical armours

[wiccame]

It's not just female armours though is it? The Inquisitor's armour whether male or female is horrible compared to the rest of the companions armours. 

is there some technical reason companions and npcs get snazzier armours, (and hairstyles) compared to what we get? Because this really irks me.

[Scuttlebutt101]

What's wrong with having a nicer-looking armor option? I want my fictional heroine in a fantasy setting to be pretty instead of looking like she's wearing a tin bucket, sue me. I don't care if it wouldn't be uber-realistic. Some in-game armors are not very practical either, like the Wardens' uniform and Hawke's spiky armor. The prettier armor doesn't mean chainmail bikinis, however, these things are ridiculus. A nice example of a more feminine armor that doesn't look out of place in DA world is female version of heavy chainmail from Origins (yes, I liked the boob plate, sue me again) or even Cassandra's armor.

[Drasanil]

It's not just female armours though is it? The Inquisitor's armour whether male or female is horrible compared to the rest of the companions armours. 

is there some technical reason companions and npcs get snazzier armours, (and hairstyles) compared to what we get? Because this really irks me.

 

Hard to offend anyone if the main character's armour is just kind of bland, I guess. I don't mind the coat variant it's got some hint of character, but the armour variant is kind of dull and the mail variant is just downright uninspired. 

[Patchwork]

I prefer the Sturdy version as it hides the pjs, although I wish the scarf was tintable, in general I think BW were just going for something that wouldn't offend the most people.

 

An armour that I absolutely love is Susan Pevensie's from Prince Caspian.

 

Spoiler

 

[berelinde]

I prefer the Sturdy version as it hides the pjs, although I wish the scarf was tintable, in general I think BW were just going for something that wouldn't offend the most people.

 

 

The scarf is tintable. If you use the tint table, it's cloth slot 2, but even without it, using FT cloth in the masterwork slot changes the scarf color.

[Giant ambush beetle]

 
This is the type of outfit I had in mind. [Credit: Sarah Burchill and Josephine Jonsson]

 
You fight 15ft tall ogres that pick you up and beat you to death with their bare fists, you fight dragons that engulf you with flesh-melting flames and maul you with teeth which ares as long as a mans arm, oh, and lets not forget monsters that poison you with their blood.......... and you want your character to wear a dress and a corset. 

 

 

 

Our characters are fighters, not opera singers. 

 

 

Something like this would be awesome in DAI.

 

[Patchwork]

The scarf is tintable. If you use the tint table, it's cloth slot 2, but even without it, using FT cloth in the masterwork slot changes the scarf color.

 

I knew the Dalish rogue scarf was but I didn't know about Sturdy's, thanks berelinde!

[The Oracle]

 

Also, I need to echo what that other poster in this thread said about going to any medieval events or whatever.  Go to any cosplay party or comic book convention, or hell, just Halloween, and 99% of the women there are dressed provocatively.  The other 1% is Brienne of Tarth.  I dated a girl who was a huge fan of comic book movies and would go to conventions and midnight premieres of the Marvel movies, and you should have seen her Catwoman costume.

 

 

Don't you think that's perhaps because, if you look at comics, all the female characters are designed sexy? I'm trying to think of even one famous female comic book character that I could dress as that doesn't have a revealing costume.  Maybe they just want to go as their favourite female character and it's less about looking provocative?

 

I loved She-Ra as a kid, not because i wanted, at the age of 6, to show off my legs and ****** to be ogled at. I wanted to be her because she saved people and had a really cool battle-cat. However, if I wanted to dress as her now for Halloween, people would only think I'm doing it to show my body off. It's a catch 22 for some of us. I love comic books and their characters. I love gaming. I've often thought about going to comic-cons and other things, just for the fun of being a kid again, dressing up and really being wow'd by the design and effort of some people's costumes. I'd really hate the thought that everybody would looked at me if I went as say, Nariko, possibly one of my favourite female gaming characters, they would think I was doing it just to be drooled over instead of the reason that I just damn well loved that game!

[Darkstarr11]

Don't you think that's perhaps because, if you look at comics, all the female characters are designed sexy? I'm trying to think of even one famous female comic book character that I could dress as that doesn't have a revealing costume.  Maybe they just want to go as their favourite female character and it's less about looking provocative?

 

I loved She-Ra as a kid, not because i wanted, at the age of 6, to show off my legs and ****** to be ogled at. I wanted to be her because she saved people and had a really cool battle-cat. However, if I wanted to dress as her now for Halloween, people would only think I'm doing it to show my body off. It's a catch 22 for some of us. I love comic books and their characters. I love gaming. I've often thought about going to comic-cons and other things, just for the fun of being a kid again, dressing up and really being wow'd by the design and effort of some people's costumes. I'd really hate the thought that everybody would looked at me if I went as say, Nariko, possibly one of my favourite female gaming characters, they would think I was doing it just to be drooled over instead of the reason that I just damn well loved that game!

 

You win, you lose, right?  And I don't think there IS a comic book character that doesn't show off their body.  Male OR female.  Cap has form fitting CHAINMAIL...seriously.  Iron Man used to have muscles sculpted into his armor.  Right?  Won't get into the women costumes...that's been mentioned.  I was looking at the LOL vid, A New Dawn.  Katarina and Ahri are dressed pretty provocatively, but Leona looks good and is armored up enough to survive...which comes in handy pretty quick.  I know somethings look good on characters, but the Spider Family gets away with it due to being super fast.  If you aren't bullet proof, skimpy probably would mean dead.  Catwoman from the Arkham series looks great, and her suit LOOKS like it is pretty well armored...well, except that she exposes her chest...and, um, HEART to projectiles and blades.

 

To quote the webcomic Spinnerette:

"You have a bullet proof fabric and you want to cut a hole in it right over your heart??? Are you insane?"

Sahira

 

 

I like some of the armors in game.  DAO Dalish basically says, 'hit my internal organs, I DARE you', but most seem pretty well designed.  Especially Dwarven armor, which turns you into a mini tank.  The new Qunari armor looks great, but impractical.  Abs only look so good until your guts are a bloody mess...and partially exposed or leaking.  Still, it's a fantasy game, and if someone wants to dress up their Inquisitor like Red Sonja or Conan, let 'em.  I still think that their should be a penalty in game for basically making all the soft parts of your mortal form targets, but that's me.  After all, you'll make a great looking corpse...

 

...after they get done stitching your body back together...

[Reznore57]

I thought the armors in Inquisition looked fine?

I didn't play a female Inquisitor but the long coat look quite stylish.

 

I don't even understand why people like the Qunari medium armor from Spoils of the Qunari.

I cringe everytime I see screenshoots of it on male or female.

I mean let's be serious , we're playing a fighter , not a belly dancer.

[Fearsome1]

I know that there is a mixed perception over what type or style of female armors might seem appropriate overall, but there is a part of me that keeps hoping that we will get a Dragon Age version of Red Sonja at some point. I'm thinking about the Frank Thorne visual from 1970s Marvel Comics too!

 

Granted not to everyone's taste, but chainmail bikini stuff just screams fantasy female warrior to me and why the heck not? Previously I did like Isabela's standard clothing (although sadly restricted to her alone), the Chasind Robes found in the Korcari Wilds for female characters and the current Qunari Antaam-saar works well for females too.

[robertthebard]

You fight 15ft tall ogres that pick you up and beat you to death with their bare fists, you fight dragons that engulf you with flesh-melting flames and maul you with teeth which ares as long as a mans arm, oh, and lets not forget monsters that poison you with their blood.......... and you want your character to wear a dress and a corset. 
 
 
 
Our characters are fighters, not opera singers. 
 
 
Something like this would be awesome in DAI.
 

Yep, because a quarter inch piece of steel, or less, is all you need to keep a fire ball from melting your face, or to stop those teeth as long as an arm from penetrating your armor and dismantling your internal organs. As an aside, Leather would actually be more effective vs poison than chain would be, at least the spitball poisons. Against those big bruisers that use mauls, plate is worthless. Mauls were used specifically to blast through plate. You'd be better off in leather, so you could dodge the attacks, than standing there going "You can't hurt me, because my armor is actually effective because 'plate'". Bull's comment about practical armor while discussing plate makes me cringe every time, because that big ass war hammer is going to cave the armor into the sternum, and beyond. It's what it's designed to do.

I'm by no means advocating chain mail bikinis, they are silly in the extreme. However, since there are cultures that went to war naked, or in loin cloths, male or female, all this talk about "if you're not wearing real armor, you're dead" is nonsensical, to me. A side effect of actually having worn armor before, I guess. It would shock people beyond belief to learn that samurai armor was made out of paper, literally.

[Dabrikishaw]

I guess I have no eye for fashion because I don't really think any of the armors in game look bad.