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The Qunari armor was taken straight from the concept art. You can see the arm rope wrapping things or whatever you call them. 

 

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I wish they took more from the concept art like the long hair. Also, why did they give the males the leather bra too? ugh Stop covering up the males with bras and mud! I want to run around like Conan the Barbarian. And give women their boob plate armor back!


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The Qunari armor was taken straight from the concept art. You can see the arm rope wrapping things or whatever you call them. 

 

 

This was concept art that showed everyone in their undies, because it was intended to illustrate different body shapes.

 

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I'm not really sure why the Qunari underwear ended up being interpreted as their normal clothing.


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This was concept art that showed everyone in their undies, because it was intended to illustrate different body shapes.

 

Da2_races.jpg

 

I'm not really sure why the Qunari underwear ended up being interpreted as their normal clothing.

Yeah, but if you look at the Qunari art they specifically have the string strappings around their arms and the scarf boob wrap just like the medium qunari armor.

 

edit: oh nvm I see what you're saying regarding the underwear to illustrate the body types. I didn't realize they were underwear until put side by side like that.



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Don't you think that's perhaps because, if you look at comics, all the female characters are designed sexy? I'm trying to think of even one famous female comic book character that I could dress as that doesn't have a revealing costume.  Maybe they just want to go as their favourite female character and it's less about looking provocative?
 
I loved She-Ra as a kid, not because i wanted, at the age of 6, to show off my legs and ****** to be ogled at. I wanted to be her because she saved people and had a really cool battle-cat. However, if I wanted to dress as her now for Halloween, people would only think I'm doing it to show my body off. It's a catch 22 for some of us. I love comic books and their characters. I love gaming. I've often thought about going to comic-cons and other things, just for the fun of being a kid again, dressing up and really being wow'd by the design and effort of some people's costumes. I'd really hate the thought that everybody would looked at me if I went as say, Nariko, possibly one of my favourite female gaming characters, they would think I was doing it just to be drooled over instead of the reason that I just damn well loved that game!

Completely hear what you're saying, but it really does work both ways. Truly. Have you seen what He-Man looks like? How about Superman? Spider-Man? Practically ever single male superhero there is. I mentioned 300 and Conan before. They all look like that. So, trust me, it's not just female characters who are drawn that way. Both genders are idealized because it's fantasy. Again, it goes back to ancient world mythologies. In fact, it used to be only the male characters that were shown usually naked because the male form was thought to be nature's ideal of beauty. And any man that didn't look statuesque was largely ridiculed.

The main difference is, guys don't care what we look like. And most guys aren't going to a Halloween party or a convention dressed up like He-Man or Conan. Some will, sure. But most won't. Most guys will go as something funny or super scary. Very few will opt for a sexy costume. Some will go dressed up as a superhero. I myself spent an embarrassing amount of money on a Batman costume that I wear every year for Halloween. But again, that's not the rule. Most dudes go as something funny. So, I do think there is a difference of culture here as far as the genders go. We're just wired differently.

And by the way, She-Ra had a horse. He-Man had battlecat. ;-)


Yep, because a quarter inch piece of steel, or less, is all you need to keep a fire ball from melting your face, or to stop those teeth as long as an arm from penetrating your armor and dismantling your internal organs. As an aside, Leather would actually be more effective vs poison than chain would be, at least the spitball poisons. Against those big bruisers that use mauls, plate is worthless. Mauls were used specifically to blast through plate. You'd be better off in leather, so you could dodge the attacks, than standing there going "You can't hurt me, because my armor is actually effective because 'plate'". Bull's comment about practical armor while discussing plate makes me cringe every time, because that big ass war hammer is going to cave the armor into the sternum, and beyond. It's what it's designed to do.I'm by no means advocating chain mail bikinis, they are silly in the extreme. However, since there are cultures that went to war naked, or in loin cloths, male or female, all this talk about "if you're not wearing real armor, you're dead" is nonsensical, to me. A side effect of actually having worn armor before, I guess. It would shock people beyond belief to learn that samurai armor was made out of paper, literally.

Not only that but a caster or an archer needs mobility. Leather and cloth would be far more effective for those archetypes because they need to move and stay at range from their targets.

And like you said, which I've also mentioned a couple times before, most cultures in the ancient world fought naked. Plate armor was thought to be totally impractical for battle. It hindered movement and caused fatigue. In many cultures it was only used for show during ceremonies or what not. So the thought of plate armor in a fantasy game is super realistic is in fact the opposite of that.

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This was concept art that showed everyone in their undies, because it was intended to illustrate different body shapes.

 

Da2_races.jpg

 

I'm not really sure why the Qunari underwear ended up being interpreted as their normal clothing.

 

The recent comics for female qunari, DA2 for males. 



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Shhhh... Don't say that! The local SJWs will report you to Bioware's thought police. Everyone knows you can't play a proper/empowered female character unless she looks and acts exactly like a man.

 

Dressing in a reasonably believable and practical fashion (i.e. minimal vital organs exposed to pointy weapons) is not acting "like a man" it's acting believably. 

 

As far as overt femininity goes...mileage may vary. It always seems like what people really want is boob armor and cleavage and exposed skin when they say this, but I wouldn't be opposed to practical armor that has more feminine design elements (anything from color to shape)...again, as long as it's not armor that would get you killed.

 

This blog has lots of good examples. http://womenfighters.tumblr.com/

 

Generally, I liked the DA:I armors.



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Alice --> Alice in Wonderland

Isabelle --> Jack the Giant Slayer

Lady Sif --> Thor series

All examples of feminine and practical armours

 Hit Lady Sifs 'boob plate' hard, in the chest area, the 'boobs' kill as her sternum shatters under the point they form between the real breasts, same with Isabella, Alice's, looking at google images, well knees and neck are vulnerable, but it is serviceable, so ok that one works. If you are talking chain mail however, that stuff is figure hugging, even with a gambeson underneath, so yea females look, well female even in proper double link hauberks.



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Hit Lady Sifs 'boob plate' hard, in the chest area, the 'boobs' kill as her sternum shatters under the point they form between the real breasts, same with Isabella, Alice's, looking at google images, well knees and neck are vulnerable, but it is serviceable, so ok that one works. If you are talking chain mail however, that stuff is figure hugging, even with a gambeson underneath, so yea females look, well female even in proper double link hauberks.

Except we're talking about fantasy here. Not realism. And Lady Sif is basically a goddess from Asgard.

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I think most of the armors are just plain ugly, period. The battlemage coat (?) is okay. It's pretty sleek and streamlined comparing to most armors, but it has stupid things like a random awkward cloth sash around the waist and retains the puke-colored pajama pants. I get that the cloth sash cinches the waist and probably helps support the coat+breast plate, but you're functionally and aesthetically better off with something cooler like a leather belt/bodice with straps and buckles.

 

People should stop asking for "feminine" or "masculine" armors. That's a silly and primitive way to articulate what you're looking for. People want to look SEXY. And sexiness doesn't come from bare skin. It comes from good taste, style, personality - in other words, pure sw@g. Few things in the game scream sw@g.

 

Emily from the Dishonored 2 trailer IMO is a good example of sexiness from pure sw@g, and without the need to flounce her teats (or anything for that matter) There aren't clear screenshots, but in the trailer you can get a glimpse of her full get up and daaaamn she's garbed like a grade A rock star, can't even.
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Shhhh... Don't say that! The local SJWs will report you to Bioware's thought police. Everyone knows you can't play a proper/empowered female character unless she looks and acts exactly like a man.

I feel like there are more of you going "oh noez beware the SJWs!!" in threads than there are actual "SJWs" tearing apart valid statement of opinions. Also note the OP is a female. If OP was a bro who was whining all like pls bioware cater to my uber narrow definitions of femininity for the sake of my all-important boner, then sure, he'll be treated like the spoiled brat he is and then you may go ring the alarm and no one intelligent will care
 

Funny, the personal insults and the "thought policing", complete with "SJW" sneers, seems to come much more often from people who insist on a binary male/female prensentation, and those of us who don't like that are usually told to STFU and deal with it, or GTFO.

 

A woman is a woman is a woman. There is no one way to "look female", or "more female". I'm fine with a few impractical outfits, if they are 1) a choice, and 2) apply to both genders equally. A bouncy banana hammock for every chainmail bikini. :P

 

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Except we're talking about fantasy here. Not realism. And Lady Sif is basically a goddess from Asgard.

 

 

the claim was made feminine but practical, so I responded,



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*Facepalm*

 

I... just forget it. I give up.


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*Facepalm*

 

I... just forget it. I give up.

just grab some popcorn an watch as it rolls by, pretty hilarious :D



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I feel like this is a really easy fix.

 

1) Make the sexy armor optional.

2) Apply it to both genders.

 

 Everyone wins.  

 

Basically this, and the debate over attire options gets quickly scuttled in the process. Works for me!


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Practical armor..... pictures of warriors fighting on foot in full plate is impractical and was not all the common in historical warfare. Full plate was rarely worn in battle by warriors on foot, as it tended to be heavy and exhausting to wear, let alone moving around in it. Plate armor was typically used for tournaments while dueling and jousting. In battle mounted knights would wear full plate since they were not moving much, but knock one off a horse and they were in serious trouble. Leather paired with a hardened leather, chainmail or metal breastplate was the most practical armor for warriors on foot. It provided basic protection and still allowed full movement and no where near as restrictive or tiring as full plate.

 

I always get a laugh when people say full plate is practical. I find Cassandra's armor tends to be more practical then the other heavy armor sets. I would love to see some more leather/medium armor sets that did not have the trench coat/coattails.


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Practical armor..... pictures of warriors fighting on foot in full plate is impractical and was not all the common in historical warfare. Full plate was rarely worn in battle by warriors on foot, as it tended to be heavy and exhausting to wear, let alone moving around in it. Plate armor was typically used for tournaments while dueling and jousting. In battle mounted knights would wear full plate since they were not moving much, but knock one off a horse and they were in serious trouble. Leather paired with a hardened leather, chainmail or metal breastplate was the most practical armor for warriors on foot. It provided basic protection and still allowed full movement and no where near as restrictive or tiring as full plate.

 

I always get a laugh when people say full plate is practical. I find Cassandra's armor tends to be more practical then the other heavy armor sets. I would love to see some more leather/medium armor sets that did not have the trench coat/coattails.

 

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People always say "There's a balance between looking fit for battle and looking sexy", but is there really a balance? If there is, nobody knows what it looks like. There's always something wrong.

There might be a balance, or there might not be one. In any case, my opinion is f*ck balance.

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It's not a male vs. female thing, armor design itself is just atrocious in Inquisition, see, that is stylish, cool, and without any 'lol you want chainmail bikinis in mah magic fantasy, i need realism hurr durr!' at the same time.

 

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Practical armor..... pictures of warriors fighting on foot in full plate is impractical and was not all the common in historical warfare. Full plate was rarely worn in battle by warriors on foot, as it tended to be heavy and exhausting to wear, let alone moving around in it. Plate armor was typically used for tournaments while dueling and jousting. In battle mounted knights would wear full plate since they were not moving much, but knock one off a horse and they were in serious trouble. Leather paired with a hardened leather, chainmail or metal breastplate was the most practical armor for warriors on foot. It provided basic protection and still allowed full movement and no where near as restrictive or tiring as full plate.
 
I always get a laugh when people say full plate is practical. I find Cassandra's armor tends to be more practical then the other heavy armor sets. I would love to see some more leather/medium armor sets that did not have the trench coat/coattails.


This simply isn't true. Although there were specialist plate sets intended for jousting, plate mail was also commonly used on foot during certain periods of history. There is plenty of evidence, physical, written and painted to support this.

Also, plate could weigh between approx. 35-55 lbs, which when distributed evenly over the body as is the case with plate, it not an unreasonable amount to be carrying.

Some of the heavy armour in DA, especially in origins, is exaggerated and overly stylised but full plate on foot is entirely grounded in reality.
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I'm not sure common is the word. The armoury catalogues survive from the time of Henry VIII. We know he paid about 12 gold sovereigns for a suit of plate. That's about 100,000 US dollars in today's money. Outside of the leaders of the freelancers, few knights would have been able to afford that, let alone common soldiers. We're talking Barons and up.

Realism is pretty relative in DA. Let's not get too hung up on it.

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Based on this thread, we need chain mail bikini for the male, female, and other.

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I'm not sure common is the word. The armoury catalogues survive from the time of Henry VIII. We know he paid about 12 gold sovereigns for a suit of plate. That's about 100,000 US dollars in today's money. Outside of the leaders of the freelancers, few knights would have been able to afford that, let alone common soldiers. We're talking Barons and up.
Realism is pretty relative in DA. Let's not get too hung up on it.


And that's why full plate armor was never widespread amongst regular infantry. Not because it didn't work well on foot, as one poster suggested above. Amongst those who could afford it, plate armor worked just fine in almost all combat situations.

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I'm not sure common is the word. The armoury catalogues survive from the time of Henry VIII. We know he paid about 12 gold sovereigns for a suit of plate. That's about 100,000 US dollars in today's money. Outside of the leaders of the freelancers, few knights would have been able to afford that, let alone common soldiers. We're talking Barons and up.
Realism is pretty relative in DA. Let's not get too hung up on it.


That cost isn't entirely representative of normal plate however. That is armour made for a king and is as much a status symbol as it is a suite of armour. Just because the Queen is driven in a custom built Rolls-Royce doesn't mean I can't drive round in a second-hand Fiesta.

Plate armour was certainly expensive and out of reach for a common soldier, but was not solely owned by nobility either.

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Yep, because a quarter inch piece of steel, or less, is all you need to keep a fire ball from melting your face, or to stop those teeth as long as an arm from penetrating your armor and dismantling your internal organs. As an aside, Leather would actually be more effective vs poison than chain would be, at least the spitball poisons. Against those big bruisers that use mauls, plate is worthless. Mauls were used specifically to blast through plate. You'd be better off in leather, so you could dodge the attacks, than standing there going "You can't hurt me, because my armor is actually effective because 'plate'". Bull's comment about practical armor while discussing plate makes me cringe every time, because that big ass war hammer is going to cave the armor into the sternum, and beyond. It's what it's designed to do.

I'm by no means advocating chain mail bikinis, they are silly in the extreme. However, since there are cultures that went to war naked, or in loin cloths, male or female, all this talk about "if you're not wearing real armor, you're dead" is nonsensical, to me. A side effect of actually having worn armor before, I guess. It would shock people beyond belief to learn that samurai armor was made out of paper, literally.

 

On top of that: lets not forget that the supposed better protected lady in the picture decided that her pretty face with another very vital organ (brains!) was not in need of protection. And the lady also decided to let her hair just flow in the wind, ready to be grabbed.

 

Really, that chick's throat would be sliced 2 minutes into a fight by a half-decent (and more agile/mobile) assassin/rogue.



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On top of that: lets not forget that the supposed better protected lady in the picture decided that her pretty face with another very vital organ (brains!) was not in need of protection. And the lady also decided to let her hair just flow in the wind, ready to be grabbed.

 

Really, that chick's throat would be sliced 2 minutes into a fight by a half-decent (and more agile/mobile) assassin/rogue.

 

Her helm is tucked under her arm...

 

...and she's wearing a gorget.

 

Also, in reality a rogue/assassin style character armed with a dagger would be at a distinct disadvantage against a fully armoured and armed warrior who is aware of them.



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Like, is it the worst thing in the wold that in this one game, you don't have full access to objectify female PCs while they're "at work"? Is it really the worst thing for them to have actually listened to players who are sick of 99% of games making female armor default to scanty and impractical? It's not like the Inquisitor is wearing a cardboard box, or an actual sack. The light and medium armors are pretty form-fitting, as are the loathed Skyhold pajamas. As for the new armor, it's just ugly all around. I'm guessing anyone who spends that much time that far down are prioritizing function over form.

 

(and I'm going to guess that if any quote exists about armor-styling, it is pretty far away from "not wanting to offend players". BW has never phrased any of their design directives that way- even Gaider's saltiest commentaries about inclusiveness has addressed the people upset about it rather than those who want more) 

 

Yeah... those pjs......

 

I battled corypheus in those.