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[Giantdeathrobot]

I just think armor should reflect what a character does on the battlefield.

 

If you are a mage that avoids physical contact at all costs, fine, wear robes and corsets or rags like Morrigan, don't much care. You have magical protection anyhow. Vivienne's armor is also a good example of more armor that still manages to look good and revealing.

 

If you are a rogue type who uses either ranged weapons or acrobatic moves, some armor is still expected since you don't have magical defense. Doesn't have to be full-body leather, quilted cloth protecting vitals is enough for me.

 

If you are a frontline fighter, however, I damn well expect you to look like one, male or female. And no, that doesn't automatically mean looking like a walking tank with three feet wide pauldrons, but chainmail at the very least. Breastplates that look reasonably practical. Form-fitting half-plates, that sort of thing. Cassandra had great armor, not too heavy but also liiking protective enough that it was very believable.

 

Of course, as many options as possible is always good. But I also think that the setting needs to conserve a portion of believability. And a fighter (male or female) running at people with their vitals exposed looks stupid to me, unless they're explicitely a barbarian/berserker type that doesn't care about their own safety. And even then, Celtic peoples fighting bare-chested pretty much only happened if they weren't part of the rich castes who could afford chainmail.

[D_Schattenjager]

 Hit Lady Sifs 'boob plate' hard, in the chest area, the 'boobs' kill as her sternum shatters under the point they form between the real breasts, same with Isabella, Alice's, looking at google images, well knees and neck are vulnerable, but it is serviceable, so ok that one works. If you are talking chain mail however, that stuff is figure hugging, even with a gambeson underneath, so yea females look, well female even in proper double link hauberks.

Lady Sif is a more about mobility and not tanking. Even Batman sacrifices armor for mobility

The asthetics of faces, hair and armour all took a beating in DAI because they released for old and new gen consoles. One just has to look at Wild Hunt to realize how much better it could have been

[andy6915]

Also, in reality a rogue/assassin style character armed with a dagger would be at a distinct disadvantage against a fully armoured and armed warrior who is aware of them.

 

"aware of them"

 

Well that's the key part, now isn't it? There's a reason that stealth is such a large part of the rogue skillset, especially for dagger rogues. The whole point is for the enemy to not know you're there, or at least not know where exactly you are at that moment.

[Pressedcat]

"aware of them"
 
Well that's the key part, now isn't it? There's a reason that stealth is such a large part of the rogue skillset, especially for dagger rogues. The whole point is for the enemy to not know you're there, or at least not know where exactly you are at that moment.

Totally true. I was simply pointing out that wearing plate does not make a fighter so cumbersome that they can be easily out-manoeuvred and dispatched by someone in leather or less; especially if that person is only wielding a knife.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Totally true. I was simply pointing out that wearing plate does not make a fighter so cumbersome that they can be easily out-manoeuvred and dispatched by someone in leather or less; especially if that person is only wielding a knife.

 

Yeah, real life plate armor wasn't overly cumbersome; I've read that, thanks to better weigth distribution, some were less heavy on the wearer than chainmail. You can do jumping jacks and various acrobatics in them. Mind the noise, however.

 

Of course, fantasy plate armor can often look way, way heavier than the real-life stuff. Especially the shoulders that make football players feel inadequate. Dragon Age generally keeps things in moderations, apart from some cases (Dwarven armors and the Massive armors in Origins).

[andy6915]

Yeah, real life plate armor wasn't overly cumbersome; I've read that, thanks to better weigth distribution, some were less heavy on the wearer than chainmail. You can do jumping jacks and various acrobatics in them. Mind the noise, however.

 

Of course, fantasy plate armor can often look way, way heavier than the real-life stuff. Especially the shoulders that make football players feel inadequate. Dragon Age generally keeps things in moderations, apart from some cases (Dwarven armors and the Massive armors in Origins).

 

I actually find dwarven massive armor to be fine. In fact, I find it to be the most practical armor in the series (male and female). What's wrong with this armor to you? The shoulders don't seem overtly big to me.

 

[Giantdeathrobot]

I actually find dwarven massive armor to be fine. In fact, I find it to be the most practical armor in the series (male and female). What's wrong with this armor to you? The shoulders don't seem overtly big to me.

 

 

Well, for dwarves it's perfect thanks to their stocky structure. I always found it looks a wee bit too heavy for humans and elves; the front plate in particular looks like it weights a lot. Maybe it's just perpection on my part, it's nothing major. The humongous shoulders on Origins's massive armor bothered me more, thankfully Inquisition dispenses with huge shoulders almost entirely.

[Toasted Llama]

Her helm is tucked under her arm...

 

...and she's wearing a gorget.

 

Also, in reality a rogue/assassin style character armed with a dagger would be at a distinct disadvantage against a fully armoured and armed warrior who is aware of them.

 

You didn't bother to check the original post I'm talking about is this:

 

 

 
You fight 15ft tall ogres that pick you up and beat you to death with their bare fists, you fight dragons that engulf you with flesh-melting flames and maul you with teeth which ares as long as a mans arm, oh, and lets not forget monsters that poison you with their blood.......... and you want your character to wear a dress and a corset. 

 

 

 

Our characters are fighters, not opera singers. 

 

 

Something like this would be awesome in DAI.

 

 

Now did you?

[Pressedcat]

You didn't bother to check the original post I'm talking about is this:




Now did you?

My bad. I thought you were referring to the red-headed elven lady a couple of posts above your own.

Though I will say, other than the lack of helmet or gorget, that suit of armour actually looks even more practical than the one I thought you were referring to and is exactly the kind of armour I'd welcome into the game.

What I said about manoeuvrability still stands.

[zeypher]

Practical armor..... pictures of warriors fighting on foot in full plate is impractical and was not all the common in historical warfare. Full plate was rarely worn in battle by warriors on foot, as it tended to be heavy and exhausting to wear, let alone moving around in it. Plate armor was typically used for tournaments while dueling and jousting. In battle mounted knights would wear full plate since they were not moving much, but knock one off a horse and they were in serious trouble. Leather paired with a hardened leather, chainmail or metal breastplate was the most practical armor for warriors on foot. It provided basic protection and still allowed full movement and no where near as restrictive or tiring as full plate.

 

I always get a laugh when people say full plate is practical. I find Cassandra's armor tends to be more practical then the other heavy armor sets. I would love to see some more leather/medium armor sets that did not have the trench coat/coattails.

SO much wrong information it is astounding. 

 

Here enlighten yourself

 

[Jayce]

You fight 15ft tall ogres that pick you up and beat you to death with their bare fists, you fight dragons that engulf you with flesh-melting flames and maul you with teeth which ares as long as a mans arm, oh, and lets not forget monsters that poison you with their blood.......... and you want your character to wear a dress and a corset.



Our characters are fighters, not opera singers.

Well if we're stooping to reductive sarcasm now....

Yup, cause we all know two millimeters of tempered steel makes all the difference when fighting 8 metric tons of angry, fire breathing dragon.

And speak for yourself, tin gimp. Mine was a mage.

Y'know, all along I've made the point that's there's plenty of room for more than one style of female armour and it doesn't have to be one extreme or the other, and every time, somebody has made yet another petty and selfish defence of plate mail despite nobody ever suggesting their armour be taken away from them.

Frankly I expected more openmindedness from people who've argued for fairer depiction of women in gaming but it seems some of you are just as selfish and entitled as the people you argue with.

[Gordon_4]

I find it's all about getting the aesthetics down.  Dragon Age, by and large, has some of the shittiest looking armour in modern fantasy games.  My favourite, all time plate armour set from any game remains to this day, the Judgement Armour from World of Warcraft - in fact most of the first six to seven tiers of class armour are pretty awesome but gets notoriously more hit and miss as you go along.  Plus they're also basically the (Western gaming) patron saint of sexy armour.

 

 

I dunno, I lament the lack of actual robes for the mages and I think taking the Knight-Enchanter specialization should have allowed you to wear medium armour by default and not require crafting it out of Silverite.  I also think that completing each companion's quest should have netted a sort of "Masterwork" schematic of their NPC design armour so they aren't clad in whatever horror show crafting has cranked out.

 

For those unfamiliar, the WoW Judgement plate looks like this:

 

[thepiebaker]

Compromise: Bioware give us a spoils like update or something with just schematics with cut and paste blueprints of the three base schematics for each class but with either chainmail bikini or leather banana hammock (a la 300). As it is just a schematic you will not be able to pick up or find a piece of this armor at a vendor or elsewhere in the world and only craft it yourself and because it will be on the same level as the prowler/battlemage/battlemaster because they use exactly the same type and amount of materials you wont feel inclined to use one or the other aside from your preference whether aesthetic or role playing.

​Can further customize it with leg and arm pieces for thigh highs or sleeves or something (gender neutral) and maybe a helmet schematic that is a cape.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I count it fortunate they have a design I like, the battlemaster mail that's half leather, half mail, without ugly pauldrons and gauntlets that would land painfully if the inquisitor throws in a punch. Adequate protection without the weight of a tin can. I don't really care the battlemaster armor rendered the figures of male / female PCs alike except for size. I care that she looks and is a warrior / soldier, ready and capable to take on whatever comes at her.

 

For the DA series, I like the battlemaster design with the inquisitor helm best of all.

 

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[Tidus]

So,you want fashion over protection? I fully believe my female Elf Camine will settle for protection over fashion any day..

[sjsharp2011]

I was kinda disappointed that the female variant of the templar armor was a slightly narrower version of the male armor instead of the kind Lysette and other female templars wear. Mind you, I wouldn't have minded if the males got that armor, too. It's ridiculously impractical, but I like the aesthetics of it.

 

Maybe my tastes are strange, but I like the trench coats. The "mail" variants are a bit boxy and I detest how the leather pieces don't change color with the leather used (am I the only one who calls them "mud flaps"?), but the long coat and cutaway coat with sash are fine.

yeah the long coats and but flap armours as I cal them are my favourites as well. TBH I probably prefer them more than most of the DLC armours too.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I want my female mages to look like sluts.

I want my male mages to look like ninjas.

Make it happen BioWare.

[AlanC9]

Some of the armor designs are a bit weird for what they're supposed to be. The Vanguard Coat doesn't look bad in itself, but in what universe would that be considered heavy armor? It's a coat.

[KaiserShep]

Some of the armor designs are a bit weird for what they're supposed to be. The Vanguard Coat doesn't look bad in itself, but in what universe would that be considered heavy armor? It's a coat.

Great bear rump leather is stronger than any metal. It's DA's mithril.

[sjsharp2011]

 
You fight 15ft tall ogres that pick you up and beat you to death with their bare fists, you fight dragons that engulf you with flesh-melting flames and maul you with teeth which ares as long as a mans arm, oh, and lets not forget monsters that poison you with their blood.......... and you want your character to wear a dress and a corset. 

 

 

 

Our characters are fighters, not opera singers. 

 

 

Something like this would be awesome in DAI.

 

Kind of looks a lot like the butt flap armours in DAI tbh

 

 

I guess I have no eye for fashion because I don't really think any of the armors in game look bad.

yeah have to admit I like all the armours in DAI too I think. Although I will say the long coats and butt flaparmours aer my favourites as I like how they move when you move and also how they move in the wind as well. I kind of find that sexy

[Fredward]

Ain't nobody got time for people who wanna treat dragon slaying like it's a Parisian fashion walk.

 

Well.

 

Except Vivienne.

[Qis]

On a related note, a Google image search for Chainmail Bikini turns up far more pictures of RL girls wearing them than fictional ones.

 

So true...lol

 

https://www.google.c...hainmail bikini

 

But seriously, this one is fine by me, i am not into bulky armor, just enough to give protection and comfortable, decorations can come later, just give some colors here and there, wearing cape or something...

 

 

Oh yes, Dark Souls make it right...

 

[abisha]

tell me why can't Bioware not make armor like this?.

 

just look the colors on the back so natural green the skirt so nice made with golden stitch

not even to speak about the physics they put in on the necklace and hair brooch

this is work of a ->true artist<- you can see they put more in it then just make money.

 

we get pyama the most boring ugly armor ever made in the history of gaming.

 

 

also wanna add if people really wanna see 10 ton armor how comes that most armor on the nexus is not like that?.

just a thought.

[Giantdeathrobot]

tell me why can't Bioware not make armor like this?.

 

 

just look the colors on the back so natural green the skirt so nice made with golden stitch

not even to speak about the physics they put in on the necklace and hair brooch

this is work of a ->true artist<- you can see they put more in it then just make money.

 

we get pyama the most boring ugly armor ever made in the history of gaming.

 

 

also wanna add if people really wanna see 10 ton armor how comes that most armor on the nexus is not like that?.

just a thought.

 

Because the Nexus is also the place where loads and loads of people rush to install alternate body mesh mods, 99% of which are solely used to make female characters naked with perfect skin, fake-looking breasts of various sizes and assorted revealing outfits.

 

Much as I visit the website to make Bethesda games less crap, I really wouldn't use it as an example of artistically viable inspiration.

 

I get it, sex sells, and that that's even more true when we're talking about people who play video games. That's a well known fact. Doesn't mean every game has to overload itself with the stuff.

[abisha]

Because the Nexus is also the place where loads and loads of people rush to install alternate body mesh mods, 99% of which are solely used to make female characters naked with perfect skin, fake-looking breasts of various sizes and assorted revealing outfits.

 

Much as I visit the website to make Bethesda games less crap, I really wouldn't use it as an example of artistically viable inspiration.

 

I get it, sex sells, and that that's even more true when we're talking about people who play video games. That's a well known fact. Doesn't mean every game has to overload itself with the stuff.

 

i find it far more irritating that any movie is exploding with softporn rater a video game with some nudity.

9/10 movies have some crap scene, but no people scream murder death kill, about a video game that's 100% static.