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[Vlada47]

I think we should stop viewing Grey Wardens as some super-highly organized honorable group of people. They are for the most part pretty ruthless band of fighters with only one purpose. As far as I am aware, their obligations ends at stopping the Blight, when it occur... that is exactly what you do in Origins, regardless of any other decision. After that they can do whatever they deem necessary to thwart the darspawn, make journeys into the Deep Roads... take your pick. They do not have the right to demand somebody's death, because he/she somehow learned their secrets. Yes, they can send someone to deal with that person, if they feel like it... but it doesn't have anything to do with law or justice, it's a simple assassination out of convenience. In the case of Morrigan, Wardens could get into some serious trouble with Orlais, considering her position at the court there.

 

Ser Jory was killed, because he backed out on his conscription, it's like being conscripted into the army and then say just before the battle "No, screw you guys, I'm not doin' it!"... it's basically desertion. Ability to conscript people into their order as they wish could be considered another ruthless thing on their part, yes I understand, it's probably necessary during the Blight (they have my reluctant support in this ), but it's still ruthless, not honorable or heroic.

[Illegitimus]

 

1) i said that the GW main goal is to destroy the old gods in whatever form,not that they fought an untainted one

2)Knowing GW secrets is a crime punishable by death if you're not an affiliates,kinda like Jory who was not allowed to live after that he saw the joining.

3)Try to save an old god as well as knowing the US secret without being a GW is a crime punishable by death.

Morrigan but this work with Flemeth as well,are not allowed to know,the fact that they know doesn't change the fact that they are not allowed to.

They both possessed without authorization the GW seals and treaties (which are GW secrets) this is why AListair threatened Morrigan into the wilds.

If you're not understand on how secretive the GW are and on how everything that revolves around them must remains within them without outsiders interference,then is your loss.

Morrigan is not allowed to possess any GW secret,the fact that she reveal this without being a member of the order,give to my warden every reason and and authorization to condemn her.

I will repeat this again,Morrigan is not allowed to know the Ultimate sacrifice secret without  being a GW,the fact that she know, give to every GW of the continent a valid reason to kill her.

 

 

 

1.   Yes you said the Grey Wardens main goal was to destroy the old gods.  You were of course wrong.  The Grey Warden's main goal is to end the blights.  You are confusing one means to an end with the actual end.  

 

2.  No.  It isn't.  Yes, the Grey Wardens may or may not choose to kill someone who knows too much.  That's no more an actual law than the fact that the Mafia may kill someone who knows too much is a law.  Real nations don't make "knowing too much" a crime either.  They make "spying to get it" a crime, and they make "revealing the information you have been entrusted with" a crime.   They may sometimes murder people for knowing too much as well, but it is murder when they do it.  Nobody has ever been tried and sentenced for"knowing state secrets".  Morrigan did neither of those things.  And as should be needless to say, the Gray Wardens do not have the power to make laws over non-Gray Wardens.  

 

3.  No.  It isn't.  Not least because Morrigan didn't try to save an old god.  She suggests an alternative approach to handling them, and then when refused, she takes no for an answer.   She doesn't go behind your back and try to do it anyway...at least not so far as you have any indication.  

[Tidus]

As far as Grays killing people.. They would be charged with murder if they did since they must obey the law of the land they are in.

 

My take those outside of the wardens may know simply because a warden got drunk and talked too much...

 

Then how about that redheaded bard Leliana?

 

She knows about my female warden drinking drakspawn blood you see when they was talking about Alistair and my female warden's shameless glow ,my warden  said it must be from the warden's ritual and Leliana replied ,Oh,you mean the ritual of drinking drakspawn blood? No, that's not it.

[Secret Rare]

I think we should stop viewing Grey Wardens as some super-highly organized honorable group of people. 

Keep in mind that an order is constituted by people,each person is different,there are honorable GW like AListair,and there are less honorable wardens.

[Gaia300]

 

Keep in mind that an order is constituted by people,each person is different,there are honorable GW like AListair,and there are less honorable wardens.

 

This,peoples often try to depict the warden as shady,as if it is some sort of general rule,each individual is different.

[Secret Rare]

Knowing Grey Warden secrets is not a crime punishable by death because the Grey Wardens are not a sovereign entity capable of creating and enforcing laws in the manner of country. While the order may have rules about who is allowed to know what, it's not the equivalent of a law because the Wardens are what is known in international politics as a "non-state actor", and such entities cannot make laws. When the Grey Wardens kill someone who finds out their secrets it's plain old fashioned murder, no different to when the mafia kill an informer. So while the Wardens would indeed probably want to kill Morrigan for what she knows, they would not have any legal sanction to do so (not that they would care).

This,while is not strictly a crimes against the law of a land

(unless the GW will take control over the Anderfel) the fact that an outside member know critical secrets for their existence,like the Ultimate sacrifice(who will join them during a blight,if they knew?) will certainly force them to act brutally against that person.

Morrigan has the tendency to talk too much about others secrets

For example i was at the temple of Mythal,and she was talking on how the AD revive when they are killed,similarly to Corypheus,in front of peoples who were not GW.

While Blackwall and Solas may already know this,the others member of the stuff don't and they are not allowed to.

GW do a f ine jobe for 1200 years in keep their secrets,now this woman want or ruin everything?

[Aren]

 

Keep in mind that an order is constituted by people,each person is different,there are honorable GW like AListair,and there are less honorable wardens.

 

I can only imagine Alistair at Duncan place,he would have never attacked jory.

[Illegitimus]

 

This,while is not strictly a crimes against the law of a land

(unless the GW will take control over the Anderfel) the fact that an outside member know critical secrets for their existence,like the Ultimate sacrifice(who will join them during a blight,if they knew?) will certainly force them to act brutally against that person.

Morrigan has the tendency to talk too much about others secrets

For example i was at the temple of Mythal,and she was talking on how the AD revive when they are killed,

 

I'm not sure that's so much of a secret unless she also talked about the technical reason why Gray Wardens can put a stop to that.  I mean the records of the First Blight would have contained mention of how heros kept killing the archdemon and it kept popping back up like a game of whack-a-mole.  

[Darkly Tranquil]

I can only imagine Alistair at Duncan place,he would have never attacked jory.

Yeah, but Alistair had a hopelessly idealised notion of what the Wardens are. Duncan knew exactly what the Wardens are and behaved in a manner consistent with the true nature of the order. The Wardens are pretty much the personification of "By any means necessary".

[Vlada47]

 

 

GW do a f ine jobe for 1200 years in keep their secrets,now this woman want or ruin everything?

 

 

Are you sure about this? Because there seems to be a bunch of people, who could get those secrets independently of each other. Also... I think there actually should be some people to know more about Grey Wardens and their ways... someone like the Inquisitor maybe. Regular folk would probably freak out, Chantry might as well, but people, who are able to look at the matter with open mind, could know this. 

[Tidus]

Two other persons that knew about the joining is Queen Anora and Wynne.. There's three right there if you read my above post, they are  Anora, Leliana and Wynne..

 

Going to kill them for treason too?

 

In DA:A even the "Hero of Fereldon"/commander of the Grays mentions the joining could be fatal.. Let's kill him too.

 

I think the joining ritual isn't as secrete as Duncan claimed even though he killed Jory for not wanting to drink the drakspawn blood..