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[BatarianBob]

The problem with the whole TNG / DS9 comparison is that the main characters can travel to places that will be recognisable from the original series' universe, e.g back to Earth...

Could have theoretically, but never did.

[pdusen]

Could have theoretically, but never did.

 

Actually, both TNG and DS9 included multiple visits to Earth. As well as, over the course of the shows, other familiar locations, like Kronos.

[Sanunes]

Andromeda is so far away it shouldn't be possible to get there at all without , yet more space magic on the level of the Lazarus Project or the Crucible.  Let alone getting back.

 

In addition, the endings to ME3 are so radioactive Bioware is clearly running as far away form them as possible, no matter how little sense it makes  (see above)  So it's pretty reasonable to assume they're just leaving the mess behind and are clear-cutting another section of the rain forest instead..

 

I think they can do both, sever all connections to the ending issues of Mass Effect 3 and still have references back to the first trilogy. I don't think there would be travel back to the Milky Way, but I thought (and I could be wrong) that they said there wasn't a limit to the Quantum Entanglement communication so they could use that to talk to people in the Milky Way, just like the conversations with Hackett in Mass Effect 1.

[Sanunes]

Actually, both TNG and DS9 included multiple visits to Earth. As well as, over the course of the shows, other familiar locations, like Kronos.

 

True, but at the same time it was never to the same location so it always felt to me that the only reason why we know its Earth, Kronos, etc was because they told us so and not because it was recognizable as those places for it really could have been planet Beta-Eplison-Prime and we wouldn't have known.

[pdusen]

True, but at the same time it was never to the same location so it always felt to me that the only reason why we know its Earth, Kronos, etc was because they told us so and not because it was recognizable as those places for it really could have been planet Beta-Eplison-Prime and we wouldn't have known.

 

It's... pretty hard to confuse the Klingon High Council chamber, or Starfleet Headquarters, or Sisko's Dad's restaurant with other locations.

 

Anyway, this is getting off-topic, I think.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, the Golden Gate Bridge is kind of conspicuous.

[Ellyria]

It's like saying Cloud Strife is not important in Final Fantasy or Gordon Freeman is worthless in Half Life or Master Chief is just a support character in the Halo universe. Am I looking forward to Andromeda? yes but I am still debating whether I should buy it or not

 

The fourteen main Final Fantasy games plus over twenty side games, sequels, and iOS games that do not feature that spiky haired moron prove that Cloud is not, in fact, essential to the Final Fantasy series. To some he may be the most iconic, but to others, that honour goes to Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII or even the Black Mage from the original Final Fantasy. The entire series seems to prove that you don't need the same heroes saving the same world over and over to get people coming back. I'm sure Andromeda will be fine, even without Shepard and the Milky Way.

[prosthetic soul]

Rude or not, it's true. It's been three years. Time to move on, one way or the other.

No, I'm pretty sure that's your opinion. 

[prosthetic soul]

Sorry, but he's right. There is a point when you're no longer merely expressing your displeasure, but it is now actively feeding your misery, leading to more complaining and more displeasure. ME3 players passed that point about 2 years ago.

You speak for all ME 3 players then?  Your presumption has been noted and promptly thrown in the trash bin. 

[blahblahblah]

You speak for all ME 3 players then?  Your presumption has been noted and promptly thrown in the proverbial trash bin. 

Look who's talking trash here........

[prosthetic soul]

Look who's talking trash here........

Hey, just throwing back what I've been given. 

[Spectr61]

Here's the facts as I know them,

EA stock price stayed about the same after the launch of ME3 for a few days, then it lost fully a third of its stock price. Easily over a billion dollars.

Did the ME3 ending(s) and the viral fan reaction have anything to do with this?

Is it coincidental that Casey Hudson left Bioware/EA "for other challenges"?

These events could all be coincidental, but my guess is that they are all contributory in some manner,

And it is also my opinion that all of this contributes to why a 're-boot' is necessary.

I hope they deliver a magnificent MEA; as a hardcore ME fan, I don't know how much more disappointment I can take...

[pdusen]

You speak for all ME 3 players then?  Your presumption has been noted and promptly thrown in the trash bin. 

 

Yeah, you clearly aren't obsessed in the slightest. My bad.

[Spacepunk01]

Here's the facts as I know them,

EA stock price stayed about the same after the launch of ME3 for a few days, then it lost fully a third of its stock price. Easily over a billion dollars.

Did the ME3 ending(s) and the viral fan reaction have anything to do with this?

Is it coincidental that Casey Hudson left Bioware/EA "for other challenges"?

These events could all be coincidental, but my guess is that they are all contributory in some manner,

And it is also my opinion that all of this contributes to why a 're-boot' is necessary.

I hope they deliver a magnificent MEA; as a hardcore ME fan, I don't know how much more disappointment I can take...

 

I think it's safe to say that there's a correlation between these events.

 

I don't know about a re-boot. I can't imagine they would do something like that. How can you accept that the original trilogy never happened? The very trilogy that made you fall in love with Mass Effect in the first place.

 

Have you thought about crafting your own canon? I've done this for Star Wars, because I couldn't accept the sea of ridiculous ideas out there, so now I pick and choose. Maybe you could accept only ME1 and then you wouldn't have to deal with the ending in ME3. We're going to Andromeda anyway, and even if they reference the events of ME3 it probably won't be in detail, so maybe you could work around it.

 

The important thing is that the Universe is coherent and consistent. If you're fluent in Mass Effect you'd probably know as much - if not more than the people working at BioWare. This grants you the power to choose which aspects from the official canon you want to incorporate in your Mass Effect experience.

[AlanC9]

Here's the facts as I know them,
EA stock price stayed about the same after the launch of ME3 for a few days, then it lost fully a third of its stock price. Easily over a billion dollars.
Did the ME3 ending(s) and the viral fan reaction have anything to do with this?
Is it coincidental that Casey Hudson left Bioware/EA "for other challenges"?

Casey's new job kinda looks like a promotion, actually.

Dunno about the stock price thing. I suppose the market could have hysterically over-reacted. It's been known to do that.

[The Arbiter]

The fourteen main Final Fantasy games plus over twenty side games, sequels, and iOS games that do not feature that spiky haired moron prove that Cloud is not, in fact, essential to the Final Fantasy series. To some he may be the most iconic, but to others, that honour goes to Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII or even the Black Mage from the original Final Fantasy. The entire series seems to prove that you don't need the same heroes saving the same world over and over to get people coming back. I'm sure Andromeda will be fine, even without Shepard and the Milky Way.

Wanna know why? Because Final Fantasy has a formula. Independence, no continuation, no sequels nothing. Look what happened with XIII and its sequels, Square broke their own tradition and took the risk and failed. Back to Square 1 for them.


BioWare on the other hand relies on sequels, continuation and a protagonist. Now they are breaking their own tradition as well with Andromeda. Will be interesting how this unfolds

[AlanC9]

Well, Bio relies on sequels and continuation except when they don't. NWN wasn't BG3, the NWN protagonist didn't come back for the expansions, JE and KotOR were one-offs, DA changes protagonists every time.

[KaiserShep]

Casey's new job kinda looks like a promotion, actually.
Dunno about the stock price thing. I suppose the market could have hysterically over-reacted. It's been known to do that.

If Walt Mossberg trips on an iPad, Apple's stock would plummet.

[prosthetic soul]

Yeah, you clearly aren't obsessed in the slightest. My bad.

Nice job.  Resorting to insults to redirect my point.  Bravo.  You're a class act when it comes to trolling. 

[Iakus]

Well, Bio relies on sequels and continuation except when they don't. NWN wasn't BG3, the NWN protagonist didn't come back for the expansions, JE and KotOR were one-offs, DA changes protagonists every time.

Which makes me think They should have just NWN-ed the whole thing, rather than try to go through the contortions to make this a Mass Effect game that isn't connected to the ending.

[jonathon.jenkins]

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

The ending for ME3 was bad and unless you wrap up the

ending why should I commit to a new game.

[In Exile]

Which makes me think They should have just NWN-ed the whole thing, rather than try to go through the contortions to make this a Mass Effect game that isn't connected to the ending.

 

Well, no. They didn't make BG3 for a lot of reasons, the major one being they wanted a radical change in gameplay, including a move to lan-based gaming with no player controlled party. They straight up didn't want to make the same game, from a gameplay perspective. ME:A wants to make a mass effect game, with the same general style of gameplay and design goals.

 

The only viable analogy to another Bioware property is DA.

[pdusen]

Nice job.  Resorting to insults to redirect my point.  Bravo.  You're a class act when it comes to trolling. 

 

I like that I'm the one throwing insults and trolling in this narrative of yours.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I don't think 'reboot' is the right word. Reboot is when you get 5 different Batman origin story movie using different actors.

[wolfhowwl]

Wanna know why? Because Final Fantasy has a formula. Independence, no continuation, no sequels nothing. Look what happened with XIII and its sequels, Square broke their own tradition and took the risk and failed. Back to Square 1 for them.


BioWare on the other hand relies on sequels, continuation and a protagonist. Now they are breaking their own tradition as well with Andromeda. Will be interesting how this unfolds

 

I don't think XIII-2 and Lightning Returns were about taking a risk.

 

They were most likely trying to recoup the investment in FFXIII's torturous development with some easy sequels as well as get something, anything out the door when they had to move Heaven and Earth to salvage the FFXIV disaster.