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rossb2

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On one of the random tip cards it says you can dispel a demon coming out of a rift.

 

I was slightly disappointed to find that when I tried this with both a mage and a templar, it failed on both demons coming out of a rift. They came out of the rift anyway. They were both Despair demons. So instead of having my mage in position ready to put up a barrier, I ended up being vulnerable to attack from 2 demons. Not cool.

 

Did I do something wrong? I am on the PS4 version.



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Dispelling a rupture takes a certain amount of time, and the more powerful the demon coming through, the more time it requires.

To be successful, you want to dispel the rupture as soon as it appears. If you wait too long, the demon will come through anyway.

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in my case I slowly moved time forward until I could see it was labelled as a demon coming through. Any earlier and it would just have been a random enemy drop. Perhaps I was unlucky?



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in my case I slowly moved time forward until I could see it was labelled as a demon coming through. Any earlier and it would just have been a random enemy drop. Perhaps I was unlucky?


Too late. You have to do it when it's just a weird green glob, if you see a health bar then you were far too late on the draw.



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An easy way to spot which blob you should dispel, is going into tac-cam and looking which blob has a red circle below.

 

There the demon will spawn.

 

I tell you this, because some of the green blobs are just decoys.


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Too late. You have to do it when it's just a weird green glob, if you see a health bar then you were far too late on the draw.

 

You know, to quote my own post to explain it better: Think of the globs as a door. When it's just a glob, they're still locked out and are currently trying to lockpick their way in. Dead-bolting the door with a dispel won't work if they've already cracked the lock and opened the door.



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On one of the random tip cards it says you can dispel a demon coming out of a rift.
 
I was slightly disappointed to find that when I tried this with both a mage and a templar, it failed on both demons coming out of a rift. They came out of the rift anyway. They were both Despair demons. So instead of having my mage in position ready to put up a barrier, I ended up being vulnerable to attack from 2 demons. Not cool.
 
Did I do something wrong? I am on the PS4 version.


Like the previous posted stated, the sooner you use Dispel on one of the spawn-site/"blue" dots (see mini-map), the more chance you have to successfully dispel the rift spawn. As soon as a new wave is about to hit (just watch the Rift right after the last enemy is felled from the previous spawn), I switch to Tac-cam when I see the little blue dots appear on the mini-map. With the game paused in tac-cam, I can set up exactly where to place the Dispel ring (the "hit box" or AoE, for Dispel is a bit larger than it actually looks, in-game). Once I have done that, I unpause, let Dispel cast and I check on two things:

1) See if I can cast another Dispel for free (i.e. no cooldown)

2) Make sure that the spawn sites I placed the spell on, did their job.

Hope this works out for you. Good luck, and have fun. :)
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By the way, don't abuse dispelling too much. You miss out on drops if you dispel the demon before it becomes an enemy, which means missed materials for runecrafting and research materials. Not to say never do it, especially if it's a really bad rift with a lot of dangerous ones in it. But only really do it if you lost to the rift and you're reloading to try again (assuming you saved right before taking the rift on, which you should).


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By the way, don't abuse dispelling too much. You miss out on drops if you dispel the demon before it becomes an enemy, which means missed materials for runecrafting and research materials. Not to say never do it, especially if it's a really bad rift with a lot of dangerous ones in it. But only really do it if you lost to the rift and you're reloading to try again (assuming you saved right before taking the rift on, which you should).

I don't seem to get fewer drops for dispelling demons. It's hard to tell though, since it's RNG.



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I don't seem to get fewer drops for dispelling demons. It's hard to tell though, since it's RNG.

Huh? No, they don't drop anything when hit with a dispel. You keep them from ever appearing, which means they and whatever they were going to drop stays in the Fade.



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The drop rate for worthwhile mats is low enough that it shouldn't matter in the end. You'll get the majority of your essences from closing the actual rifts (except spirit essences, which you can farm as much as desired in the Fallow Mire), unless you choose to exploit the tombs in the Hissing Wastes.

Certainly, you may choose to avoid dispelling ruptures until you've performed all the creature research for the demons that spawn from rifts. Some demons (like despair and pride demons) are rare in the game outside rifts, so if you dispel all of them, you may not ever be able to complete their research (though if you do that, you probably won't be fighting enough of them that it would really make a difference).

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Huh? No, they don't drop anything when hit with a dispel. You keep them from ever appearing, which means they and whatever they were going to drop stays in the Fade.

Oh, I thought you meant the drops from the blob the rift leaves behind would be worse. Actual demons only seem to drop research items for me. In my experience, rifts only leave behind blobs, not demons, so dispelling them changes nothing.


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Oh, I thought you meant the drops from the blob the rift leaves behind would be worse. Actual demons only seem to drop research items for me. In my experience, rifts only leave behind blobs, not demons, so dispelling them changes nothing.

 

Demons themselves drop rune materials, for example terror demons drop spirit essences. Not just with rifts, demons have a set chance to drop certain materials. A rage demon just hanging around the Exalted Plains is just as likely to drop a fire essence as one from a rift, and dispelling a rage demon at a rift makes you miss any chance of it dropping anything.



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Demons themselves drop rune materials, for example terror demons drop spirit essences. Not just with rifts, demons have a set chance to drop certain materials. A rage demon just hanging around the Exalted Plains is just as likely to drop a fire essence as one from a rift, and dispelling a rage demon at a rift makes you miss any chance of it dropping anything.

Right. What I should have said is while I get essences when demons are away from rifts, I seldom get them in addition to the rift loot, so I don't care too much about dispelling them. Obviously it's up to the player whether they want potential materials or not.



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Demons themselves drop rune materials, for example terror demons drop spirit essences. Not just with rifts, demons have a set chance to drop certain materials. A rage demon just hanging around the Exalted Plains is just as likely to drop a fire essence as one from a rift, and dispelling a rage demon at a rift makes you miss any chance of it dropping anything.

Yes, when alone or in non-rift mobs, demons drop mats. But if spawned from rifts, I've never gotten mats from a direct demon drop, only research items. I suppose this is a game code rule to insure you can't double up on rune mats, since the rift always drops a rune mat, and more than one with a lot of other goodies in JoH.

 

And regarding the OP, it's another game balancing attempt that you can't dispel a demon you can identify. That would be pretty cheesy, right? Either roll the dice and close the door before you know what's coming through (good analogy, there), or identify the thing coming through once its too late to shut the door.

 

Personally, I dispel as many as I can. At this point, after multiple PTs, fighting demons to close a rift is just tedious. Except for the Pride and Fear demons, those are fun.



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I don't really understand why they have AOE indicators in this game (like for Dispel) that aren't really the correct size for the total area.

 

I try to dispel as many demons as possible from the rifts.  I am usually running Cass and at least one mage, so I can potentially take out a few at a time.  Cass is harder to utilize if she is out of position.


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I don't really understand why they have AOE indicators in this game (like for Dispel) that aren't really the correct size for the total area.

 

I try to dispel as many demons as possible from the rifts.  I am usually running Cass and at least one mage, so I can potentially take out a few at a time.  Cass is harder to utilize if she is out of position.

Totally consistent with the overall style of DAI, right? They force you to choose, even when you don't want to. ;)



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As everyone has said, it is all about timing.  Once you get the feel for it the out come can be excellent.  I have taken out two at a time at a few rifts.