Why assume that?
Given that Tevinter likely had an edge in numbers and training over her magical forces that she survived until Maferath handed her over means that if she was mage, she was a phenom. She would after all have been a primary target. Of course mage Heroes of Ferelden and Inquisitors can probably also be fairly described as phenomenal power houses.
Given that Tevinter likely had an edge in numbers and training over her magical forces that she survived until Maferath handed her over means that if she was mage, she was a phenom. She would after all have been a primary target. Of course mage Heroes of Ferelden and Inquisitors can probably also be fairly described as phenomenal power houses.
Yes, if she had no particular combative abilities that is most likely. But then she probably wasn't a mage.
Andraste was showing signs of being a Dreamer. The section in WoTv2 about Feynriel describes how he would "freeze", it sounds similar to Andraste's symptoms. Everything is pointing towards Andraste being a mage.
I also think that her "singing" was a form of magic that has since been lost. All that reference to her "singing" and the Maker paying attention....
I also think that her "singing" was a form of magic that has since been lost. All that reference to her "singing" and the Maker paying attention....
That's a neat idea, if she was a hedge mage it could be plausible.
I also think that her "singing" was a form of magic that has since been lost. All that reference to her "singing" and the Maker paying attention....
Andraste was a D&D Bard that got lost in Thedas.
I also think that her "singing" was a form of magic that has since been lost. All that reference to her "singing" and the Maker paying attention....
It's reminiscent of the Avvar beliefs in "singing" their gods back to life. Seeing as how Andraste was Alamarri, I think there might be some relation there. The Chantry itself echoes the concept, with the belief that the Maker will return when the Chant is sung everywhere.
In terms of even older things, Solas talks about ancient elves weaving magic in "symphonies". And of course the Blight and Lyrium both sing. Cole speaks of a time when "everything sang the same."
Andraste was a D&D Bard that got lost in Thedas.
Better then a DA bard <.<
All they do is scream "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"
Over and over again.
Seeing as how Andraste was Alamarri, I think there might be some relation there.
Those are two pretty distinctive cultures you realize?
It's like comparing Kurds to Iraqis just because they like the Avvar, Chasind and Alamarri share a country.
Those are two pretty distinctive cultures you realize?
It's like comparing Kurds to Iraqis just because they like the Avvar, Chasind and Alamarri share a country.
To quote WoTv1:
Alamarri: This ancient people occupied the land now known as Ferelden as members of various tribes, primarily the Clayne, Chasind, and Avvar.
To quote WoTv1:
Aye I've got the book too but that doesn't mean they weren't culturally distinct even back then.
Aye I've got the book too but that doesn't mean they weren't culturally distinct even back then.
For some reason there isn't any sort of information regarding the gods of Alamarri, the only thing I found is:
From sky-tearing peaks of the sacred mountainThe secret-steep'd roots of the ancient oak trees
A lonesome choir, I, song falling unanswered,
Voice on wind returning, answered no more.
Which speaks of Andraste singing to the gods of Alamarri in hope to find help for her people, instead she is answered by the Maker who hears her singing. Kind of makes you wonder what kind of singing voice she has, it must be angelic to sweep the Maker like that 
It could be Andraste's idea of prayer, or it could be an Alamarri thing, we have no evidence..
The Alamarri kind of missing in background when it comes to the time before Andraste.
Edited for clarity:
In gods of Alamarri I meant to say that as a single assembly of tribes, they don't seem to have gods in common.
Modifié par Shari'El, 20 août 2015 - 07:34 .
I think the Avvar still worship the ancient Alamarri gods. Between themselves, the Fereldens and the Chasind, they are the ones who's culture that is still most similar to the Alamarri.
The Alamarri worship Korth mainly, we first learn about him in awakening, they worship a freaking mountain.
For some reason there isn't any sort of information regarding the gods of Alamarri, the only thing I found is:
It could be close to what the Avaar believes in , I think Maferath was Avaar .
The Avaar worship spirits ...also the Alamarri were chased from their lands by a "shadow Goddess" but Solas says it was nothing more than a spirit.
Anyway if you look at Avaar Gods ,
Now there's also Tyrdda Bright Axe who followed a path somewhat close to Andraste.She saved her people after hearing warnings by spirits and it seems she had a strange elven lover.
It's unclear what was the deal with the elf , was it a spirit looking like an elf , a somniari , an elven abomination?No clue.
She met some warlord who somehow wanted to go to the Golden City and was hearing whispering.It was way before the magisters went to the Golden City , Tevinter were not an empire back then but the neromian tribe.
It seems for some strange reasons some human tribes in the north fell prey to something bad.
What we know as the Old Gods whispering.
In the south , spirits and someone looking like an female elf was busy stirring people away from this influence.
The Avvar worship Korth, the Alamarri is just an assembly of the three tribes (Avvar, Chasind & Clayne).
Maferath was Avvarian but it says nothing of which clan was the origin of Andraste...
The Avvar worship a mountain and the Chasind worship.. some gods... I couldn't find mention of what the Clayne believed in.
The Alamarri had several gods, each part of the Alamarri believed in something else...
Irrelevant but funny:
Some of their weapons have thus been shaped into the likeness of animals; the theory being that, upon a Chasind slaying someone with said weapon, the gods would be confused and might blame the animal that the weapon is modeled after instead.
The Chasind's gods sound kind of stupid ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
The only hint we have is in the verse I quoted, since it does say "From sky-tearing peaks of the sacred mountain", so perhaps Andraste was Avvarian?
Aye but Korth is the oldest "god" of the Alamarri as a whole before the remaining Alamarri kicked the Chasind to the south.
If you look at the Chasind they don't consider themselves part of anything, all they claim that they've been always in the Korcari wilds.
It could be close to what the Avaar believes in , I think Maferath was Avaar .
The Avaar worship spirits ...also the Alamarri were chased from their lands by a "shadow Goddess" but Solas says it was nothing more than a spirit.
Anyway if you look at Avaar Gods ,
Spoiler.it seems likely the avaar and perhaps all of the Alamarri were influenced by dwarven and elven myth when they set foot in Ferelden.
Now there's also Tyrdda Bright Axe who followed a path somewhat close to Andraste. She saved her people after hearing warnings by spirits and it seems she had a strange elven lover.
It's unclear what was the deal with the elf , was it a spirit looking like an elf , a somniari , an elven abomination? No clue.
She met some warlord who somehow wanted to go to the Golden City and was hearing whispering.It was way before the magisters went to the Golden City , Tevinter were not an empire back then but the neromian tribe.
It seems for some strange reasons some human tribes in the north fell prey to something bad.
What we know as the Old Gods whispering.
In the south , spirits and someone looking like an female elf was busy stirring people away from this influence.
Shadow Goddess? I don't remember that, mmm..
I've read the saga of Tyrdda Bright Axe, I thought at one point that the knife-eared lover is Mythal since she struck down a dragon with ease and asked Tyrdda to name her child Morrighan'nan (I interpreted that as such because of the wording, but I'm uncertain of it). Thelm (the warlord) seems to have been Tevinter because of his gold, jewlery and the fact he spoke of demon whispers (probably the Old Gods).
I'm not certain that Avvar worshiped spirits per se, I think its' how they portray them since they don't have a physical body? I can't be sure though.
Maybe it's a way of speaking, like Korth represents the spirit of the mountain (what it stands for, like says "the spirit of America" or I don't know) and the knife-eared lover the spirit of the sky, Uvolla the spirit of the woods and so forth.
The imagery in the Saga suggests that Thelm Gold-Handed is Dirthamen, if anything, along with the fact that the Codex entry that introduces him into the Saga is right next to one of those drawings of a giant green bear (the bear being the symbol of Dirthamen and wisdom, which is also present in Avvar religion with Sigfrost) and what's probably a woman. Jaws of Haakon poses some very interesting questions about the Lady of the Skies. I'm still a fan of the idea she's somehow connected to Mythal.
I'm not certain that Avvar worshiped spirits per se, I think its' how they portray them since they don't have a physical body? I can't be sure though.
Spoiler
Maybe it's a way of speaking, like Korth represents the spirit of the mountain (what it stands for, like says "the spirit of America" or I don't know) and the knife-eared lover the spirit of the sky, Uvolla the spirit of the woods and so forth.
They do worship spirits , they are aware of that.
The chief Lady tells you it's Ok to slay Hakkon , it was pulled out of the Fade , and it should never had happened.
Then she explains , just like any spirits , it won't be destroyed , a whisp of it will be left, and they'll just "rebuild " it.
They'll start praying and giving offerings , spirits being a reflexion of mortals emotions , wants etc it will grow back into Hakkon , a great spirit of war.
It seems they gave those special spirits names and myth , but it might just be tools to help shape the spirits into a dedicated role.
It's like what we saw in DAI with the faith spirit taking the role of the Divine ,it isn't the Divine , the Divine is dead and gone ...but the spirit carried the torch.
Chances are Hakkon , Korth , the Lady of the Skies were something else at one point.
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I didn't know the name Hakkon so I searched it and found it it's from Jaws of Hakkon (duh 
) , which I've been postponing until I finish the second volume of WoT completely. Mmm I'm going to play it soon so I shall bear that in mind, maybe if I go in with a purpose I'll come out enlighted
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I didn't know the name Hakkon so I searched it and found it it's from Jaws of Hakkon (duh
Oh...crap.I'm sorry I didn't mean to spoil .
Oh...crap.I'm sorry I didn't mean to spoil .
It's okay, you spoiled nothing 
. I already knew of a dragon in the DLC, I just didn't didn't remember its name
She could still be a mage, but the type that would be part of the Loyalist if she were alive now XD
I don't know if a hedge mage could mistake his own magic for miracles, but perhaps her prayers and meditations led to large scale magic that could be interpreted as miracles.
I'm not sure about that.
I mean, would she be a loyalist to the Circle system when the Chantry itself are supposedly loyal to her and the Chant written by her and her followers? What if her teachings on "magic should serve man and not rule over him" simply meant mages don't use magic to force others to do what they want, through intimidation or blood magic, and that's it? Would the Chantry and the templars fall in line with that reasoning if that's how she meant it?
We are talking about an organization that removes entire Canticles from the Chant for political reasons and then declare it heresy to study the Dissonant Verses (I got that from the quest description in Awakening where you're asked to gather the Canticle of Maferath from the statues in the Wending Wood by a scholar on the board.)
And I've made that second point as an argument in the past.
Which is exactly why if Andraste turned out to be a mage, it kind of is a blow to the credibility of the Maker watching over them and causing divine miracles on their Exalted March when it can be explained as just magic. Large-scale and impressive magic, but something that is not divine.
But I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest that she is one. Not only that partially burned book in Orzammar we can give to Wynne as a gift, the knowledge on how Dreamers can explore the Fade for days, and Andraste meditated for days, but there's also the statue standing over the urn of sacred ashes in a temple built by her followers and those who knew her personally.
Kind of a really interesting place to put the flame.
Actually, the Maker not intervening is precisely part of Chantry dogma: after Andraste was burned at the stake the Maker turned his back on the world, and will only turn back should the whole world sing the Chant.
Of course, that's wonderfully convenient for a religious meme ("Convert everyone or God will never come back!"), but the fact remains that the Maker not interfering is precisely what the Chantry is all about. It's Andraste, who now sits at the Maker's side, who gets to play an active part (just like the Inquisitor is the Herald of Andraste, and not of the Maker).
I wonder.
Regarding the Dissonant Verses and how the Chantry removes canticles as they become politically inconvenient, what if they succeeded in converting the world but because they don't sing the whole chant the Maker never came back?
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