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[BloodKaiden]

Oh, just how much blood? A few dozen rioters, a mass grave or so, genocide? This reminds me of people who try to argue the 'problem of evil' that suffering somehow teaches a lesson, just how much suffering? lol So tell me how much bloodshed? And for what? A pompous dictator, who is one evil mustache short of a Joseph Stalin?You might want to take another look at that ending slide. After her actions, Vivienne's chantry begins to fracture from within, and without the Inquisition's military and intelligence support her stint will be (quite literally) cut short. She is the opposite of stability. I should add that receiving an education does not entail the loss of one's autonomy, Tevinter has mage universities.

-sigh- However amount of blood it takes I suppose. There will always be war, conflict is the nature of most vast differing ideals. Vivienne's ending slide indicates that she didn't seek out or start killing innocent people(mages), she simply reacted to the those who still wanted to wage war over the system of the Mage Circles and founding principles of the Chantry. The Chantry fracturing from within was happening all before Vivienne became Divine. The fact that she has to seek aid of the Inquisition doesn't mean that she is wrong in her position of Divine, merely that she had to rely on the resource of an ally to maintain order and peace within the system. I stated that it was my opinion that Vivienne's ending was the best overall for Thedas itself, as a whole. Would I personally want that if I were a mage? Not at all. I'd favor Leiana's views however, with the history that I've seen of Thedas I find it really difficult to believe that the people as a whole wouldn't have an issue with her direction in regards to the Chantry. I doubt this "golden age" is all sugar and rainbows without her slitting a few throats to maintain her system.

[Andres Hendrix]

-sigh- However amount of blood it takes I suppose. There will always be war, conflict is the nature of most vast differing ideals. Vivienne's ending slide indicates that she didn't seek out or start killing innocent people(mages), she simply reacted to the those who still wanted to wage war over the system of the Mage Circles and founding principles of the Chantry. The Chantry fracturing from within was happening all before Vivienne became Divine. The fact that she has to seek aid of the Inquisition doesn't mean that she is wrong in her position of Divine, merely that she had to rely on the resource of an ally to maintain order and peace within the system. I stated that it was my opinion that Vivienne's ending was the best overall for Thedas itself, as a whole. Would I personally want that if I were a mage? Not at all. I'd favor Leiana's views however, with the history that I've seen of Thedas I find it really difficult to believe that the people as a whole wouldn't have an issue with her direction in regards to the Chantry. I doubt this "golden age" is all sugar and rainbows without her slitting a few throats to maintain her system.

Your response is both disturbing, and silly. It reeks of a childish (cliché, and poorly conceived) nihilism, and a lack of understanding of  the difference between the old chantry and Vivenne's version which is, like the old Chantry, falling apart (that is what the slide says). The reason why I made a point of Vivienne and Cassandra seeking the aid of the Inquisition, is rather simple, Leliana solves her own problems, she is able to negotiate on her own terms to the clerics, a revolution, while both Cassandra and Vivienne can't make due with their safer 'satus quo' positions. This goes to show that Leliana understands the machinations of the Chantry better, and she is a better negotiator. As for the latter part, you obviously did not read the post in which I covered this. Moreover, you in no way make a case for Vivienne's rule being the best rule, the slides obviously say otherwise. I'm not heacanoning this, I'm using the evidence as presented at the end of the game, and the evidence is greatly in favor of a softened Leliana being the best ending (stability and suffering being my two criterions), Vivienne's end obviously causes the most suffering and instability, the slide is not vague on this, it is patently clear. 

[YourFunnyUncle]

It's rather clever actually: Vivienne is a talented player of the game who has her own network of allies and obligees, so of course she'll make sure that the Inquisitor's deeds and words are interpreted in ways that serve her interest and conquer the sunburst throne unless you openly support her competition.

That's the best way to read it after the fact, but if game actually gave you an opportunity to explain your reasoning she'd have less room for manoeuvre.

[Drasanil]

Your response is both disturbing, and silly. It reeks of a childish (cliché, and poorly conceived) nihilism, and a lack of understanding of  the difference between the old chantry and Vivenne's version which is, like the old Chantry, falling apart (that is what the slide says). The reason why I made a point of Vivienne and Cassandra seeking the aid of the Inquisition, is rather simple, Leliana solves her own problems, she is able to negotiate on her own terms to the clerics, a revolution, while both Cassandra and Vivienne can't make due with their safer 'satus quo' positions. This goes to show that Leliana understands the machinations of the Chantry better, and she is a better negotiator. As for the latter part, you obviously did not read the post in which I covered this. Moreover, you in no way make a case for Vivienne's rule being the best rule, the slides obviously say otherwise. I'm not heacanoning this, I'm using the evidence as presented at the end of the game, and the evidence is greatly in favor of a softened Leliana being the best ending (stability and suffering being my two criterions), Vivienne's end obviously causes the most suffering and instability, the slide is not vague on this, it make is patently clear. 

 

Thinks Vivienne's ending is supported by childish nihilism. Takes softened Leliana's implausible fairy tale sing along ending seriously. 

[Andres Hendrix]

Thinks Vivienne's ending is supported by childish nihilism. Takes softened Leliana's implausible fairy tale sing along ending seriously. 

You too, obviously did not read the posts wherein I addressed this. Also, your response amounts to nothing but name calling 'fairy tale'.

[Boost32]

If you want to conscript the mages and want Leliana as Divine, why don't you try not recruiting Vivienne?

[vbibbi]

Honestly I don't think the choice is going to matter much This gives me flashbacks to the Origins epilogue slides, where future events were retconned into rumors. I think the ending in DAI is more to provide a flavor of how Divine Victoria's rule will be, but ultimately all three options will lead to the same world state. It's going to reduce the variables Bioware has to include if they decide to incorporate the Southern Chantry in future games, assuming DA4 will be in the north. At most, it will amount to flavor variations in codices and minor side quests (the werewolf cure quests in DAII for example). The rule of each divine will be like the name of the next divine: identical.

[Dai Grepher]

Answer is simple. Don't recruit Vivienne.

 

Also, alter the outcome in Keep.