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[Deadman Inc. 73]

So at the end of The Descent we fight a titan and along the way learn that Lyrium is more or less their blood. So i'm wondering is the rock wraith we fight in Dragon Age 2 actually a corrupted Titan?

[Reznore57]

Maybe.

The Rock Wraith could have been a corrupted guardian.

[Andromelek]

So, to address the whole family of rocky creatures, should we use Rock Wraiths or Guardians?

[Excella Gionne]

At the end of The Descent, we fight a guardian, and not a titan. Shaper Valta cleared that up with the Inquisitor. 

[Ashaantha]

We fought and defeated a guardian, and since Valta got a connection with the Titan, it calmed down and stopped causing earthquakes. We never got a fight with the titan.. maybe one day, in another game and another protagonist? haha. Though how would that happen? *smites the ground*

 

Guardian, profane, rock wraith etc I believe may be all different kinds of creatures however all have that lyrium connection so maybe they are also all similar. Lyrium being blood of a Titan I didn't see coming.

[Nixou]

So at the end of The Descent we fight a titan

 

 

I don't get the impression that you fight the titan but that you're fighting the equivalent of a sympathetic ganglion: that is, an organ responsible for the fight-or-flight response which attacks you by reflex.

[leaguer of one]

No. It's not. It's a rock version of the trees we fought in dao.

[DuskWanderer]

The Rock Wraith seems to be similar to the guardian. Perhaps it's a different part of the titan's body. The Profane could perhaps be like the Sha-Brytol. Perhaps they are "fallen", given that the Sha-Brytol are the Pure. 

[Dai Grepher]

So at the end of The Descent we fight a titan and along the way learn that Lyrium is more or less their blood. So i'm wondering is the rock wraith we fight in Dragon Age 2 actually a corrupted Titan?

 

Descent has you fight a rock wraith inside of a titan.

 

Also, it's premature to conclude that lyrium is titan blood. Sure titans use it as their blood, but that doesn't necessarily mean that lyrium originates from titans.

[Mihura]

Descent has you fight a rock wraith inside of a titan.

 

Also, it's premature to conclude that lyrium is titan blood. Sure titans use it as their blood, but that doesn't necessarily mean that lyrium originates from titans.

 

But if lyrium is the titan blood (because the DLC seems to point that way). All the people drinking it are performing blood magic, oh the irony. 

[Master Warder Z_]

But if lyrium is the titan blood (because the DLC seems to point that way). All the people drinking it are performing blood magic, oh the irony. 

 

Not...really in the sense that's frowned upon though.

[Mihura]

Not...really in the sense that's frowned upon though.

 

You mean drinking the blood of something that is alive? because the base concept is the same, to the point of lyrium being probably living tissues since it gets the blight.

It is not frowned upon because only the Inquisition and Bianca have that knowledge. Which explains why blood can be a good substitute to lyrium, because it is blood all the same.

[Ranadiel Marius]

But if lyrium is the titan blood (because the DLC seems to point that way). All the people drinking it are performing blood magic, oh the irony.

Except that Blood Magic is a specific school of magic with spells unique to it. Those unique spells (and the possibility of mass murder to power spells) are the reason that Blood Magic is frowned upon. The fact that lyrium is Titan blood doesn't suddenly make lyrium based magic take on those properties, therefore there remains a defensible distinction between the two.

...although it does pose an interesting question as to whether lyrium based magic can be used to mind control Titans the way blood magic can control sentients.

[Mihura]

Except that Blood Magic is a specific school of magic with spells unique to it. Those unique spells (and the possibility of mass murder to power spells) are the reason that Blood Magic is frowned upon. The fact that lyrium is Titan blood doesn't suddenly make lyrium based magic take on those properties, therefore there remains a defensible distinction between the two.

...although it does pose an interesting question as to whether lyrium based magic can be used to mind control Titans the way blood magic can control sentients.

 

That is a good point, I think now depends on the perspective and power the lyrium gives a person to become dangerous. I mean the red lyrium idol gives you superpowers and dwarves seem to have magic abilities with blue lyrium. If anything it can function as a much more powerful catalyst, when compared to blood magic.

And even if, it does not end being frowned upon, it is still drinking blood. So all lyrium drinking people do use blood, just more weak than the original school. 

[Paxwell]

Lots of different kinds of blood have different amounts of power in Dragon Age.  There is, of course, "basic" blood magic, where I suppose life itself is used as a kind of mana.  Records from Tevinter tell us also that the blood of elves is the most magically potent blood of all.  Then, of course, there's the drinking of Dragon blood to become a Reaver; again we have power from the blood.  So it's really not too much of a surprise that lyrium, another commonly used source of mana boost and magical power, is also the blood of something.  That just leaves two questions:

 

If lyrium is the blood of Titans, which seem to be a thoroughly "material plane" kind of thing, then why is there lyrium in the Fade?

 

If the Fade also powers magic, is the substance of the Fade itself somehow something's "blood?"

[Dai Grepher]

But if lyrium is the titan blood (because the DLC seems to point that way). All the people drinking it are performing blood magic, oh the irony. 

 

Lyrium is probably not titan blood. It's just that titans use lyrium to power themselves.

 

Lyrium is not actual blood. Come on people.

 

And no, the stuff people consume is refined lyrium, not raw lyrium.
 

[Paxwell]

Finished The Descent a second time last night, and I was struck by the idea that Lyrium seems less like blood/blood vessels which distribute nutrients out(though they do kind of look like those, too), and more like roots, which pull scattered nutrients in.

 

Now, I'm not saying that Titans are plants instead of animals, but I think it'd be fair to say they are organisms which do not really fall into either category.  Either way, lyrium is a conduit through which energy important to the Titans flows, and analogous to their blood.

[Nixou]

I think it'd be fair to say they are organisms which do not really fall into either category