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MadMadCarl

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I mean, they are canon, yes? stroud and samson appeared on DA2, but if there is other warden or if player sided templars, they do not appear, same calpernia, i guess she is real even if she did not appear before, so, what happened to them?
 
Additionally, the dudes from the comics, they all died but that dead depends of alicrap's survival, but if alicrap died then what?


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I've heard that in the Keep the image regarding who leaded Corypheus army shows the counterpart in bones, I'll take it as that Corypheus doesn't give second chances and that either Samson or Calpernia would die, depending who failed.

Stroud was suspicious about the ritual and I don't think it would be different if there is another Warden as Hawke's contact, but instead of hide and wait for Hawke, I think he would flee from Orlais.

About the comics, Maric is screwed anyway, the only way he could be possibly saved would be in an alternative universe where Alistair wasn't a stupid traitor and convinced Yavana to follow him.

Aurelian Titus had a lot of enemies, the Qunari or another Magister would succeed on killing him eventually.

Claudio didn't know where the Silent Grove was, and he is not a fool, I don't think he would dare to enter in the swamp without knowing where is he going and without a shield against the Dragon.

Yavana has nothing to fear, she only was killed because she was betrayed, so, without that despicable treacherous being screwing around she can protect herself and use her Dragon with nothing to worry about.
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As per dev commentary all events more or less happen as they did, just the cast changes.

So those who are dead die once more.

Thank goodness for Alistair gutting Magisters and swamp witches alike.

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Samson is possible dead if you sided with the templars, killed by Corypheus.
In a codex (http://dragonage.wik...ts_to_Calpernia) its stated that he no longer lead the Red templars and in the Temple of Dumat quest, Corypheus says Samson failed him.
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As per dev commentary all events more or less happen as they did, just the cast changes.
So those who are dead die once more.
Thank goodness for Alistair gutting Magisters and swamp witches alike.


That's lazy writing and does not apply for every case, Werewolves, Golems, Architect and others haven't been retcon, just left aside for the moment (another way of lazy writing but at least with the chance they are going to think about it later) the comics just can't happen without Alistair, he's the only dumb that is irresponsible enough to let aside his duty and go to seek a corpse.

PD: Alistair can't win a fight by his own, regardless your opinion about Yavana, that was betrayal and Maric was the one who defeated Titus, so, your hate comment exalting the stupidity's son is misplaced.
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I don't know who killed Yavanna and Titus in my world state. Alistair have been dead since the landsmeet.
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I don't know who killed Yavanna and Titus in my world state. Alistair have been dead since the landsmeet.


Titus probably was taken down by Sten or Maevaris, Yavana and Claudio likely survived.
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Ignore warder guys, nothing but **** comes from his mouth when the matter is about mages, personally I can't take serious someone who qualifies magisters and witches of the wilds as evil but admires and protects lambert when someone speaks **** about that lame seeker.

 

bioware sometimes is lazy, but if they are doing an rpg, they cant be so mediocre to use that for every case.



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Ignore warder guys, nothing but **** comes from his mouth when the matter is about mages, personally I can't take serious someone who qualifies magisters and witches of the wilds as evil but admires and protects lambert when someone speaks **** about that lame seeker.

bioware sometimes is lazy, but if they are doing an rpg, they cant be so mediocre to use that for every case.

Ignoring warder is always a good idea. Guess being an intolerant lunatic runs in the family

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Calpernia is mentioned in a single note, which I believe is found in the Western Approach, so it seems that she's still leader of the Venatori if you sided with the Mages. She's just less important since the Red Templars are stronger.

I don't know who killed Yavanna and Titus in my world state. Alistair have been dead since the landsmeet.


I always figured Loghain might fill Alistair's role in the comics if he's still alive by that time. Though that still doesn't explain what happens if both of them are dead.

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I always figured Loghain might fill Alistair's role in the comics if he's still alive by that time. Though that still doesn't explain what happens if both of them are dead.


I thought that until DAI, it seems the comics didn't happen, being on the Fade is something remarkable but Loghain did no mention of it nor anything on the comics.

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I'd like to know how Sten became the Arishok despite accepting being left to die in a cage right before and unstoppable horde of darkspawn destroyed the town he was trapped in. 

 

Even if somehow he changed his mind and somehow escaped in time, he still doesn't have his sword and didn't participate in slaying the Archdemon.

 

But even if somehow he did return as a hero instead of a deserter or a failure, there is no reason he'd have to recognize King Alistair as a friend or a Basalit'an. He'd basically just be some guy he might remember seeing through the bars of his cage once. 



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I'd like to know how Sten became the Arishok despite accepting being left to die in a cage right before and unstoppable horde of darkspawn destroyed the town he was trapped in.

Even if somehow he changed his mind and somehow escaped in time, he still doesn't have his sword and didn't participate in slaying the Archdemon.

But even if somehow he did return as a hero instead of a deserter or a failure, there is no reason he'd have to recognize King Alistair as a friend or a Basalit'an. He'd basically just be some guy he might remember seeing through the bars of his cage once.


Here's the answer: Bioware doesn't care about your choices and will do whatever they want

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Here's the answer: Bioware doesn't care about your choices and will do whatever they want


Hope they still have one or two writers with enough brains to actually design different outcomes, not only throw everything into Gaider's personal world state. I assume we'll have to wait until DA4 to find out.

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The comics and books are often not considered true canon. I don't know what we expect bioware to do. If you don't like it, don't read their novels and comics, perhaps? They're not going to do 5 versions of a comic or novel, and it's silly to expect them to do so.



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The comics and books are often not considered true canon. I don't know what we expect bioware to do. If you don't like it, don't read their novels and comics, perhaps? They're not going to do 5 versions of a comic or novel, and it's silly to expect them to do so.

Except when the events of the books and comics ARE referenced and thus they are canon whether you like it or not. However, the fact that they are canon pretty much means that the devs are pretty much implying you played the game wrong if your world state doesn't allow the events of the comics and books to occur. Luckily, all my world states can let the comics and books happen in them without any changes.



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The comics and books are often not considered true canon. I don't know what we expect bioware to do. If you don't like it, don't read their novels and comics, perhaps? They're not going to do 5 versions of a comic or novel, and it's silly to expect them to do so.



The problem here is that books and comics are actually canon because they are mentioned in game, but when comes the time to think about the background they either retcon to make everything go on straight line or just never mention it.

And the books and comics are not the worst case, it can be understandable that they did not mention what was of the comic characters because they live on Tevinter and Antiva, what is unfair and makes see like that Bioware doesn't care is that in-game choices with relevance are actually being retconned or ignored, Leliana being the ultimate proof of that.

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I read wot short ago, so, it apparently says that yavana has a way to come back? also says the architect is priest of urthemiel
On the matter of not choosen characters, did all warders and inquisitors existed at the same time? i mean. lavellan, cousland, amel, trevelyan, aadhaar, etc,etc.


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The problem here is that books and comics are actually canon because they are mentioned in game, but when comes the time to think about the background they either retcon to make everything go on straight line or just never mention it.

And the books and comics are not the worst case, it can be understandable that they did not mention what was of the comic characters because they live on Tevinter and Antiva, what is unfair and makes see like that Bioware doesn't care is that in-game choices with relevance are actually being retconned or ignored, Leliana being the ultimate proof of that.

I don't think that is entirely fair. If we are going to have books and comics with involved lore and story then Bioware is going to have to make some choices canon in their context. This does not necessarily mean that choices we make in-game are irrelevant or wrong. Considering the hundreds of different story combinations it's good to look at comics and books in a what-if, multiverse capacity. I see no way around this.



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Andromelek

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I read wot short ago, so, it apparently says that yavana has a way to come back? also says the architect is priest of urthemiel
On the matter of not choosen characters, did all warders and inquisitors existed at the same time? i mean. lavellan, cousland, amel, trevelyan, aadhaar, etc,etc.


1- I haven't read WOT 2, my wallet can't afford it, I knew about the Architect, but I really really hope Yavana has a way to come back, such a waste of character if she doesn't.

2- There is references to some of the Origins characters, but most of wannabe Wardens and all wannabe Inquisitors were facing deadly issues, I assume they did not made it without Duncan's/Justinia's support.

I don't think that is entirely fair. If we are going to have books and comics with involved lore and story then Bioware is going to have to make some choices canon in their context. This does not necessarily mean that choices we make in-game are irrelevant or wrong. Considering the hundreds of different story combinations it's good to look at comics and books in a what-if, multiverse capacity. I see no way around this.


I said I understand that sort of things on books and comics, but have a look at Inquisition and you will see that most of choices that should be affecting the world were retconned or left aside.