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#76
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     you clearly missed my point,I was not asking logic of people who left milkway,I was talking about; how come these semigods with dreadnought class plot-armor who run from milkway can be our new heroes.

 

 

 

    this is not shepard I remember,

 

   I remember this;

 

 

   Shepard; They think we're helpless. They're wrong. They started a war, but we're not here to finish it. We're here to make them regret -- to show them and everyone else what happens when you go too far. NO MORE RUNNING, no more waiting. Let's hit them where they live.

 

 

 

Hmm, that's interesting - a warning and my original post removed for insulting another user? I wonder if it was the "little gray cells" thing, because I will point out right now that it was strictly a reference to Hercules Poirot's quote (feel free to google Hercules Poirot and the phrase "little gray cells," moderator). So much for using subtle literary references to Agatha Christie's Belgian detective - hmph. If it was the rest of my snarkiness, then hey, go Big Brother on me for my natural sarcasm if you must.

 

At any rate, here's a revised version that I guess ought to be safe (any remaining snarkiness notwithstanding):

 

You're citing a speech intended solely to inspire military/fighting forces and get them all fired up for what seemed like the final showdown (at the time) with the Reapers, OP. It was not a speech that was intended to literally tell everyone in the Milky Way - down to the last man, woman, and child - that they should stupidly throw their lives away to fight while gambling everything on one person being their collective savior.

 

I maintain that the line of text in bold stated by Shepard is actually quite dumb if you think about it on a critical level, but I was always willing to ignore that issue due to it being an inspirational speech. I always understood that the sole purpose of the speech was to give courage/create unity of purpose in the military forces that were about to face an enemy that was about to curbstomp them - which is exactly what would have happened if not for Shepard (who always, no matter how terrible the odds were, somehow always ended up miraculously saving everyone).

 

There, is that safe enough?

 

In any case, as others have already pointed out in here, the only person who is a demigod with dreadnought-level plot armor is Shepard. It's not the people headed for Andromeda who are like that - I expect that they're mostly normal, brave people. However, I fully expect that the new protagonist will ultimately turn into Shepard redux, regardless of how humbly he/she might start out (how many times can you beat impossible odds without it becoming completely unrealistic, after all?).


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The reapers where never unbeatable.

 

Really? That's only because we built the Crucible and the Reapers got dealt the idiot card in ME3. If the Reapers assaulted the Citadel straight away from Kite's Nest en masse, all it would have taken was for one or two to get inside of the Citadel before the arms closed and it would be over. Those arms do not snap shut. They close slowly otherwise the bulk of the 13 million inhabitants would go flying off into space and die. If they assaulted the Citadel and locked down the relay network it would have been a very short game.

 

They could go through the galaxy methodically like they did in the past. Yeah, sure we build the crucible, but where's the catalyst? Oh that part was on Thessia? How do we get there? Uh, guys it'll take us about 80 years round trip to Thessia to get that information. Have some kids along the way so you can pass on the knowledge, and tell them to have some kids on the way back and hope we're still here.



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The reapers where never unbeatable.

 

Enemy that has killed many cycles before humans even were amoeba's and destroyed tons of species? And only weapon against them is crucible, weapon who none even knows does anything. They seem unbeatable to me. 



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"When the going gets tough...

...I start wishing I was someplace else!"

 

I would actually be quite happy if our character is one of the people who flee from the Reapers. Finally someone with some good sense! I always found ultimate sacrifice/fighting till the end in a situation without hope when there is chance to survive quite stupid, if not sign of fanatism. Survival have precende over silly heroism. Expecially if such heroism is for a fight without hope and no motivation.

And I already have BioWare forcing my Shepard becaming a martyr without my consent, or at least tryng to give me the most unsatisfyng ending because I refuse to have a character who want to die. (because really, the Destroy ending in wich Shep should be alive is the most lacking and open ended of the entire bunch.)

 

As long as my character is not forced on feeling guilty to be a survivor, I have chances for not hero phrases (I'd like my character to be afraid of stuff and situations, Shep and companions were never afraid, never unsecure, never shocked, always so very...superhero that was almost boring. I think is why I love every moment of sillyness in Citadel. They felt more like persons.), is not forced to sacrifice herself, and can be happy to be alive, I care very little.



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As long as my character is not forced on feeling guilty to be a survivor, I have chances for not hero phrases (I'd like my character to be afraid of stuff and situations, Shep and companions were never afraid, never unsecure, never shocked, always so very...superhero that was almost boring. I think is why I love every moment of sillyness in Citadel. They felt more like persons.), is not forced to sacrifice herself, and can be happy to be alive, I care very little.

Really? Shepard and our companions experienced fear, insecurity, shock, and more at least a few times each in ME3. 



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Really? Shepard and our companions experienced fear, insecurity, shock, and more at least a few times each in ME3. 

 

Very few times. And only in their personal missions. Have they ever been paralyzed by fear, with all the terrible things they have seen with Shepard? have they ever been in a panic? Any moment of insecurity when is time to fight? Some moment of rage, and a few insecurity in the romance path is not really much.

The only characters I remember being quite emotional in their missions in ME3 are Mordin and Tali.

Basically all the companions are always completely secure of themselves during the missions. Even those that aren't soldiars. Having more emotional breakdown or similar during missions would be very interesting in my opinion. I'd like some less "top" characters.



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 It's not the people headed for Andromeda who are like that - I expect that they're mostly normal, brave people. I fully expect that the new protagonist will ultimately turn into Shepard redux, regardless of how humbly he/she might start out (how many times can you beat impossible odds without it becoming completely unrealistic, after all?).

 

       so you're saying that there is a N1-N2-N3-N4-N5-N6 and N7 program in andromeda for the children,humbly normal people and innocent civilians who came from milkyway? interesting theory...



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so you're saying that there is a N1-N2-N3-N4-N5-N6 and N7 program in andromeda for the children,humbly normal people and innocent civilians who came from milkyway? interesting theory...

it could very well be that an N7 was ordered to board the ark by Alliance Command, and if the trip was in stasis, that wouldn't require a training.
And if the trip wasn't in stasis, then it's probably something handed down a few generations, and the person wearing it could just be a random person, who uses a set of armour that happens to fit and be available. Again no training needed.

Also, in case of a non-stasis ship, the amount of each species on board has to be at least the Minimum Viable Population, which for humans is around 4000 people. This isnt even a millionth of our current population, let alone in the ME universe, are you honestly saying we can't allow to send away 0.00001% of our population as it will be too detrimental to our fighting force?

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id be ok with it.

 

coward just means you were smart enuff to see danger coming and knew you didnt stand a chance. which they shouldnt have. the weapon(crucible, right?) was just thrown in there.



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Very few times. And only in their personal missions. Have they ever been paralyzed by fear, with all the terrible things they have seen with Shepard? have they ever been in a panic? .


Actual incapacitation strikes me as going a bit far

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The reapers where never unbeatable.

 

They were if the Crucible didn't work or couldn't be completed.



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so you're saying that there is a N1-N2-N3-N4-N5-N6 and N7 program in andromeda for the children,humbly normal people and innocent civilians who came from milkyway? interesting theory...


Not just N1-7, but A, B, C, and so forth too. The new colony's going to need a military force, and they might as well keep the old personnel classification system going.

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10:32

 

Is going to be after the events of Mass Effect 3.

 

"taking place far away from and long after the events of the original trilogy."

http://blog.bioware....fect-andromeda/

 

Third paragraph


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I imagine I won't care, much like I don't care now.

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For the goddess

 

 

10:32

 

Is going to be after the events of Mass Effect 3.

 

"taking place far away from and long after the events of the original trilogy."

http://blog.bioware....fect-andromeda/

 

Third paragraph

 

That can mean a lot of things, though. Leading theory currently being that the trip to Andromeda leaves before the ending to ME3 but doesn't arrive until centuries afterwards because space is just that big.

 

So, with that in mind, either there's cryosleep involved in which case our characters would have known and experienced life in the Milky Way during the Reaper War or just prior to it, or it's a generational ship.

 

In any event the general assumption is that the move to Andromeda is being done to avoid having to deal with the divergent consequences of the endings. Leaving after the endings doesn't solve that problem. It lessens it to an extent, but it still leaves them with a lot of issues to tackle and a lot of questions to answer. Leaving prior to the ending lets them avoid that.



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Yeah, the story will take place long after the events of ME3 because it will take like about 300 to 500 years just to get to Andromeda.



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That can mean a lot of things, though. Leading theory currently being that the trip to Andromeda leaves before the ending to ME3 but doesn't arrive until centuries afterwards because space is just that big.

 

So, with that in mind, either there's cryosleep involved in which case our characters would have known and experienced life in the Milky Way during the Reaper War or just prior to it, or it's a generational ship.

 

In any event the general assumption is that the move to Andromeda is being done to avoid having to deal with the divergent consequences of the endings. Leaving after the endings doesn't solve that problem. It lessens it to an extent, but it still leaves them with a lot of issues to tackle and a lot of questions to answer. Leaving prior to the ending lets them avoid that.

https://twitter.com/...474505576222720

 

Look at the third Twit and please, for those who doesn't get this for their endings...
 
 
it doesn't mean some of us really enjoyed the ending they gave us.


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Really? That's only because we built the Crucible and the Reapers got dealt the idiot card in ME3. If the Reapers assaulted the Citadel straight away from Kite's Nest en masse, all it would have taken was for one or two to get inside of the Citadel before the arms closed and it would be over. Those arms do not snap shut. They close slowly otherwise the bulk of the 13 million inhabitants would go flying off into space and die. If they assaulted the Citadel and locked down the relay network it would have been a very short game.

 

They could go through the galaxy methodically like they did in the past. Yeah, sure we build the crucible, but where's the catalyst? Oh that part was on Thessia? How do we get there? Uh, guys it'll take us about 80 years round trip to Thessia to get that information. Have some kids along the way so you can pass on the knowledge, and tell them to have some kids on the way back and hope we're still here.

 

Enemy that has killed many cycles before humans even were amoeba's and destroyed tons of species? And only weapon against them is crucible, weapon who none even knows does anything. They seem unbeatable to me. 

 

They were if the Crucible didn't work or couldn't be completed.

 

The reason for that was because in the previous cycles like with the Protheans only one race had been dominant and ruled over the other races. Then when the reapers attacked no one was working together "every race for themselves". Javik I think said that they could not adapt their tactic to beat the reapers.

 

In our cycle we have the advantage of many different races and the whole ME is about uniting the races to fight the reapers.

 

The Crucible to me seems to me like a deus ex machina. I mean it comes out of nowhere. It seemed to me that the writes in ME3 increased the reapers strength for the excuse to use Crucible device as the only thing to defeat them.



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The reason for that was because in the previous cycles like with the Protheans only one race had been dominant and ruled over the other races. Then when the reapers attacked no one was working together "every race for themselves". Javik I think said that they could not adapt their tactic to beat the reapers.

 

In our cycle we have the advantage of many different races and the whole ME is about uniting the races to fight the reapers.

 

The Crucible to me seems to me like a deus ex machina. I mean it comes out of nowhere. It seemed to me that the writes in ME3 increased the reapers strength for the excuse to use Crucible device as the only thing to defeat them.

 

      you're death wrong mate,ME was all about running away from mikway,look everybody call them heroes now,you and me clearly couldnt understand what the whole ME was about...



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      you're death wrong mate,ME was all about running away from mikway,look everybody call them heroes now,you and me clearly couldnt understand what the whole ME was about...

Judging by the shaky buildup of the trilogy's story, I'm pretty sure the writers themselves were not really sure what the whole of Mass Effect was about. I mean, the entire second chapter seemed to be working up this dark energy thing, but then that was abandoned as soon as the game was over, effectively making ME2 spin its wheels for 30+ hours until Liara stumbles across the one true solution. 



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I'm just going to take a moment to say that, from the summary of the Dark Energy plot line that we've been given, I'm actually glad they didn't go with it.

 

I have just as many issues with the endings as they happened as anyone else, but the DE summary that we got doesn't solve any of them and if anything makes a few of them worse.


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you're death wrong mate,ME was all about running away from mikway,look everybody call them heroes now,you and me clearly couldnt understand what the whole ME was about...


This is silly. Sure, ME1-3 weren't about running away. What's your point?

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This is silly. Sure, ME1-3 weren't about running away. What's your point?

 

 

   it was a sarcasm......



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For all we know, if there is an Ark ship, it's populated by babies and a synthetic caretaker. Sooo... who are the cowards here? The people who sent them? As far as the N7 connection goes... maybe they're fed information along the same lines as Grunt was. So, when they're finally out of stasis or grown up or whatever, they have virtual knowledge of the N7 Program and thus are qualified to wear the armor. Who knows?

 

Me, I'm gonna shrug and play me some new Mass Effect.