Thanks!
I don't want to head into perilous, because I don't want to leach.
Just go with Ele and keep spam firestorm. You probably find yourself useful even in NM that way...
Leach away!
We've all been carried at some point and the power levellers only got there this way.
Try hosting a threatening run and when you feel like you've got some good pugs then bump it up.
Once you have a friends list then perilous is the place to be.
THIS! Leeching is the way to go.
Pro advice: try add everyone on the leaderboard. Likely chance is, someone will accept you and carry you through some casual NM when they feels like it. (Given that I been to a lobby where we had 2 promotion lords and they carried the party through using their lv1s)
Extra tip: if you are pugging Perilous and seeing some lv1 join with some awesome cool Hakkon weapons or those new lv26 uniques, then send them a friend request. They are quite likely to accept you if they recognise you from the game you just played with him. (Yeah... try learn how those end game weapons look like.)
I would not take this advice as a new player needs to get their feet wet to some extent learn some maps and learn how others are apt to play. You may be able to go to perilous before reaching level 20 but do at least a run or two on threat until you are confident there.
Perilous is easier than it was when it first came out but still will be tough for a new person, low on gear, low on armour and not having a ton of game experience.
If you can go through a thr5eating game with no problems at all with a group or feel close to soloing threat then by all means but take a few games to learn the ropes.
I took your advice and got comfortable at threatening before moving up. My problem with archer on threatening was I couldn't do enough DPS to stay alive. Killing things took too long (had only a crappy white bow), so I was being whittled down by everything I was fighting.
I have two questions, if you don't mind me imposing.
I have max armor on Pala, one purple level 21 dagger, a blue level 21 dagger and crappy accessories. I definitely learning my place (stay on the margins, only attack the bigger enemies if a tank has aggro, avoid LoS on multiple range mobs, F the skinny demon boss that pops out of the ground, etc).
I've started pug'ing on Perilous. I'd saying I'm extracting 50% of the time.
Is this about what I should expect in terms of success rate in pugs?
Also, I need more level 21+ purple weapons. They seem to only come from 3 sources: chests in missions, chests from the store, and from killing dragons on perilous+ (I believe there are dragon weapons that drop from perilous dragons and Hakkon weapons from nightmare dragons?).
Is that correct or am I missing one? Is the most efficient way of getting purple level 21+ weapons just attempting to run perilous dragons?
I have had a much lower success rate attempting to pug the perilous dragons. Probably only about 20%.
50% of the time is acceptable early on. If you get lucky and a high stat experienced team mate is on the team that will go up.
One part of the loot tables apparently is a score your accumulate that also relates to looting in game. Now here is where a big problem crops up for a new player in pug games. You should be trying to get every clay pot and every chest you can to stock up on the gold. However your team mates may be speed runners who ignore chest and pots. Makes it tough for new players to get revenue.
Perlious dragons is a good news bad news kind of thing.
The good news is you generally get more exp in a match and as you state get a chance at better weapons.
The bad news is the matches take longer generally, the map is buggier with more chance for crashes and such and the map is simply harder with pugs imo.
You can now get dragon items from regular chests as well.
There really is no perfect answer, now that your feet are wet in perilous, just keep playing it and getting as much gold as possible.
50% of the time is acceptable early on. If you get lucky and a high stat experienced team mate is on the team that will go up.
One part of the loot tables apparently is a score your accumulate that also relates to looting in game. Now here is where a big problem crops up for a new player in pug games. You should be trying to get every clay pot and every chest you can to stock up on the gold. However your team mates may be speed runners who ignore chest and pots. Makes it tough for new players to get revenue.
Perlious dragons is a good news bad news kind of thing.
The good news is you generally get more exp in a match and as you state get a chance at better weapons.
The bad news is the matches take longer generally, the map is buggier with more chance for crashes and such and the map is simply harder with pugs imo.
You can now get dragon items from regular chests as well.
There really is no perfect answer, now that your feet are wet in perilous, just keep playing it and getting as much gold as possible.
Awesome, thanks for the info.
One last question. I can't seem to find information as to whether there is a current gold/loot bar for dragon weapons. My loot score is embarrassingly low, but I think I have received the blue version of some of the dragon weapons. And I know there is a good/loot bar for the Hakkon weapons.
It appears that there is no loot score needed for dragon weapons, but would be nice to know if there is so I could just avoid perilous dragons for the most part until I pass it, as it is more difficult.
Also, it seems like very poor planning to have the best loot drop only from one map. They should have probably made all the maps dragon accessible.
Not sure if answered already but there is a loot score for purple dragon weapons.
300 looted items for purple Lvl 24 dragon weapons and 800 looted items for Lvl 26 yellow Hakkon weapons.
If you have good daggers, should think about playing Silent sister (overpowered) and Duelist who are very strong.
Cunning is prob best bang for your buck promotes to go for. Improve cool down and will make Hakkon weapons
better when you get them.
Not sure if answered already but there is a loot score for purple dragon weapons.
300 looted items for purple Lvl 24 dragon weapons and 800 looted items for Lvl 26 yellow Hakkon weapons.
If you have good daggers, should think about playing Silent sister (overpowered) and Duelist who are very strong.
Cunning is prob best bang for your buck promotes to go for. Improve cool down and will make Hakkon weapons
better when you get them.
Someone has said that its between 200-300. Nice to know the exact number. Thanks!
Now I just wish there was somewhere to check it.
I think I'm over 200, but probably still less that 300.
And I have been running Pala. All the problems I was having stepping up in difficulty was more about not being able to do enough DPS because of super bad weapons..
Got max armor and have actually felt like I contributed to a couple perilous runs.
How much gold have you accumulated? You can use that as a rough estimate to know what your item score is.
Not sure if answered already but there is a loot score for purple dragon weapons.
300 looted items for purple Lvl 24 dragon weapons and 800 looted items for Lvl 26 yellow Hakkon weapons.
If you have good daggers, should think about playing Silent sister (overpowered) and Duelist who are very strong.
Cunning is prob best bang for your buck promotes to go for. Improve cool down and will make Hakkon weapons
better when you get them.
Wait, what?
Sorry to barge in here, but I'm also kinda new. I've made the jump to Perilous a few days ago (Assassin, Hunter, Archer and Arcane Warrior, mostly) and have been going at the Dragons with PuG teams all day, quite succesfully. Not a single drop, though, just character armor in like... 30 runs?
Is it because I don't have enough drops yet in total to actually get the dragon gear? If so, that's really frustrating. Not the design, per se, but the fact they don't tell you that at all. I've essentially been wasting my time dragon hunting for reduced gold rewards and longer, tougher missions 
Wait, what?
Sorry to barge in here, but I'm also kinda new. I've made the jump to Perilous a few days ago (Assassin, Hunter, Archer and Arcane Warrior, mostly) and have been going at the Dragons with PuG teams all day, quite succesfully. Not a single drop, though, just character armor in like... 30 runs?
Is it because I don't have enough drops yet in total to actually get the dragon gear? If so, that's really frustrating. Not the design, per se, but the fact they don't tell you that at all. I've essentially been wasting my time dragon hunting for reduced gold rewards and longer, tougher missions
How much gold have you earned? That should help determine your eligibility to get dragon weapon drops. You may be over the threshold but just getting bad luck. I slammed my head against the wall for sometime and only ever got 2 weapons from farming. I got the rest out of regular chests once they put them in there.
How much gold have you earned? That should help determine your eligibility to get dragon weapon drops. You may be over the threshold but just getting bad luck. I slammed my head against the wall for sometime and only ever got 2 weapons from farming. I got the rest out of regular chests once they put them in there.
According to the Achievement progress - 137,000 gold.
I've never bought anything other than premium chests, so circa 70 chests of loot and the stuff you get running maps... Hard to tell. I think I should be well over the threshold, at saeven items per chest...
EDIT: Also, thanks for clearing this up guys. Appreciate it! I'm really annoyed that this stuff isn't made clear to people in-game - I can't be the only person who has wasted his time on it.
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