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[pwnjabber]

I think what the OP is saying is promote and get stronger, or stay on perlious

Exactly. Why would you settle for staying at what level of usefulness you can muster through just having whatever weapons and gear BW makes for you? Eventually HB will be the place to be, and sure I bet you could scrape by in a grueling 2-3 hour HB session. But who is going to be continuing to carry you all? The people who are doing the work and promoting. With some of the shiny new weapons it can be easy to decieve yourself into thinking you are doing a lot for the party... But it's always going to be the promoted guy who will be contributing the most DPS, providing synergy to archer cooldowns with crits, and picking you up off the floor, taking hits because they have high defense.

It's not a matter of "which is the right way to play", it's a question of how useful you are going to be to the team both in the present match and thinking about the game's progression in the long run.

[GreatBlueHeron]

What's the point of steamrolling everything every time? Anyone? Cause it gets boring fast. I like a challenge every once in a while. I think more solid perilous players SHOULD make the move to nm. I'm talking more low and mids like me. It'd be fun. I'm not awesome, but I provide support with elementalist and do decent damage with reaver (only hakon I have...Reaver's a beast with it). I tried lego and while tanky, not much damage.

[Gayfius]

Bet this thread was made because a lobby of 3 20's kicked this dude for not being on one

[Swevenfox]

Drasca's stats are way over, wavebend i dont know but its the rest of the team that matters. There is a difference of being carried and taking care of business it with the team

 

The mentioned HB was ran as beta tester with various people organized by Wavebend. On BETA everyone has 30 stats on everything and as I was part of his group at some point at the HB test runs, I can assure it was a team work where we mutually suggested what agents/potions could work the best to complete the run successfully. 

It is about team work, team set up and coop and gaming experience. 

Promotions can make it easier, but even high promoted players can fail, I did see some LB people on PC who not even willing to run other agent but AW. Maybe now Reaver and/or Sister. Promotion is a bonus, but not a must for a coop game if you have a team who can assist one another and stick together instead of rambo/solo/die/sabotage/aggrofest things. 

[Samahl na Revas]

Yes, lying on the internet is easy, but there has to be some element of truth somewhere. It is easier to create a false persona closer to one's self. In that sense the OP's real issue is level 20s in NM in open lobbies and joining open lobbies without the intent to promote at max level. And for each question on either side the answer to the question is an answer in the form of a question: Why not?

 

There is a challenge, I don't want to promote. Promoting gets boring, and so on.

 

 

Private lobbies. Or complain, things may change or they may not, at least you wrote it down. 

[pwnjabber]

TIL there are a bunch of people who like to play basic dungeon raiding rpgs but not level up or get stronger.

[T_elic]

I know you're trolling but i'll bite; I always keep 1 or 2 classes at level 20 so that if i get invited to a NM dragon hunt by a friend i can join and not worry about none of my characters being above level 10 and being a parasite requiring to be carried. I completed 250 runs with my legionnaire so i don't have any reason to play with him anymore anyway, may as well keep him at 20.

[Spin-Orbit]

The mentioned HB was ran as beta tester with various people organized by Wavebend. On BETA everyone has 30 stats on everything and as I was part of his group at some point at the HB test runs, I can assure it was a team work where we mutually suggested what agents/potions could work the best to complete the run successfully. 

It is about team work, team set up and coop and gaming experience. 

Promotions can make it easier, but even high promoted players can fail, I did see some LB people on PC who not even willing to run other agent but AW. Maybe now Reaver and/or Sister. Promotion is a bonus, but not a must for a coop game if you have a team who can assist one another and stick together instead of rambo/solo/die/sabotage/aggrofest things. 

how long did that run take?

[akots1]

You do know that since the beta version the enemies in HB was buffed a few more levels, and made tougher according to Luke

Should not really say anything about the beta but enemies in Heartbreaker were buffer and very considerably when it went live. So, yes, this claim about 4x 30s people beating live HB without dragon is dismissed. I'm not saying it is not possible, it just has not been done yet. IMO, this was a very bad decision made by developers that essentially restricts majority of the player from enjoying rather unorthodox gameplay in HB mode. It is quite possible to rather rapidly get to zone 5 and even beat zone 5 with dragon but no dragon zone 5 is somewhat beyond reasonable and is more of a rough roller coaster ride for those 10 seconds before you hit the fade.

[Wavebend]

Should not really say anything about the beta but enemies in Heartbreaker were buffer and very considerably when it went live. So, yes, this claim about 4x 30s people beating live HB without dragon is dismissed. I'm not saying it is not possible, it just has not been done yet. IMO, this was a very bad decision made by developers that essentially restricts majority of the player from enjoying rather unorthodox gameplay in HB mode. It is quite possible to rather rapidly get to zone 5 and even beat zone 5 with dragon but no dragon zone 5 is somewhat beyond reasonable and is more of a rough roller coaster ride for those 10 seconds before you hit the fade.

 

We did complete HB on beta at 30/30/30 on all 3 factions, but not on dragon map. I think it could be done on demons but not on the other two, haven't tried it yet

 

I don't want to spread misinformation, so here's a breakdown:

 

- Completed on Venatori when enemies were level 25. We didn't attempt after wave 5 tweak and buff at level 30

- Completed Demons when level 30

- Completed RT when level 30, was too easy, suggested massive buff. Haven't completed it post-buff but came very, very close to beating it after many attempts

 

All of the above was on 30/30/30 stats all around without Hakkon gear, CDR amulet or stamina amulet gear for the  most part

[Spin-Orbit]

We did complete HB on beta at 30/30/30 on all 3 factions, but not on dragon map. I think it could be done on demons but not on the other two, haven't tried it yet

 

I don't want to spread misinformation, so here's a breakdown:

 

- Completed on Venatori when enemies were level 25. We didn't attempt after wave 5 tweak and buff at level 30

- Completed Demons when level 30

- Completed RT when level 30, was too easy, suggested massive buff. Haven't completed it post-buff but came very, very close to beating it after many attempts

 

All of the above was on 30/30/30 stats all around without Hakkon gear, CDR amulet or stamina amulet gear for the  most part

Wavebend how long these runs take and how many times were people in fade? Just some numbers if you have

[Wavebend]

Wavebend how long these runs take and how many times were people in fade? Just some numbers if you have

 

With a good setup and a viable strat, fastest run was around 1hr 25mn, longer runs can take up to 1hr 45mn or so. 

 

Do keep in mind that it takes a lot of time to figure out the best strats. Testing a new faction can take anywhere from 4hrs to 20hrs or so.

 

We never let anyone go in the fade. As a coordinated team we don't tend to die much but it does happen, and when it does we make sure that everyone resets their death count every wave by rejoining.  On wave 5 we host migrate whenever failure becomes obvious  (usually last man standing, dead tank, etc) to reset the wave. Death count for wave 5 varies; for demons I believe no one died. For Venatori I was the only one to die once, and for RT well we didn't complete it yet

[ParthianShotX]

 Testing a new faction can take anywhere from 4hrs to 20hrs or so.

 

 

 

::shudders::

 

I had no idea.  Thank you for your dedication.

 

 

Edit to add:  I don't even want to do something that's AMAZING for 20 hours.

[Spin-Orbit]

With a good setup and a viable strat, fastest run was around 1hr 25mn, longer runs can take up to 1hr 45mn or so. 

 

Do keep in mind that it takes a lot of time to figure out the best strats. Testing a new faction can take anywhere from 4hrs to 20hrs or so.

 

We never let anyone go in the fade. As a coordinated team we don't tend to die much but it does happen, and when it does we make sure that everyone resets their death count every wave by rejoining.  On wave 5 we host migrate whenever failure becomes obvious  (usually last man standing, dead tank, etc) to reset the wave. Death count for wave 5 varies; for demons I believe no one died. For Venatori I was the only one to die once, and for RT well we didn't complete it yet

Wavebend Thanks. 

 

I want to point out that i asked because there are posts here and elsewhere by people who assume a fait accompli that most players with 30/30/30 stats can solve HB as normal runs. It has been done with very experienced group after repeated attempts and planning.  It can be done is not what i am disputing as much as attitude that typical players with those stats should be able to accomplish this in a normal run time.

 

Let's not put misleading information out to the community where players are eager to know when they can reach certain capabilities and handle the harder difficulties.

[Sulaco_7]

I see a bunch of lvl 20 silent sisters in NM and they all do just fine.  I love it.  Before, pugging nightmare was impossible (all empty lobbies)... now it's a little less empty.  

[Silversmurf]

Sometimes I play a 20 just for the hell of it

[scene_cachet]

To be honest, promotions have nothing to do with skill... I met 2 people the other day, obviously promotion exploited (double xp) because they told me and they didn't even know how to do combos (detonators) and also had no idea that the Templar could combo.

 

I think the scary thing was is one of them have 100 more promotions than me and couldn't solo perilous. 

 

So nubs can come in many shapes and forms, including over buffed double xp promo buff nubs. 

 

You know what's worse, people who don't under the basic game mechanics. I'd take a low promoted lvl 20 skilled player over an over promo'd nub that doesn't know simple game mechanics any day.

 

#banruggie2015

[sonofbarak]

Sometimes I play a 20 just for the hell of it

 

Another discredit to the leaderboards  

[sonofbarak]

To be honest, promotions have nothing to do with skill... I met 2 people the other day, obviously promotion exploited (double xp) cause they told me and they didn't even know how to do combos (detonators) and also had no idea that the Templar could combo.

 

I think the scary thing was is one of them have 100 more promotions than me and couldn't solo perilous. 

 

So nubs can come in many shapes and forms, including over buffed double xp promo buff nubs. 

 

You know what's worse, people who don't under the basic game mechanics. I'd take a low promoted lvl 20 skilled player over an over promo'd nub that doesn't know simple game mechanics any day.

 

#banruggie2015

 

I take an skill highly promoted player over an skill low promoted any day of the week

[Wavebend]

To be honest, promotions have nothing to do with skill... I met 2 people the other day, obviously promotion exploited (double xp) cause they told me and they didn't even know how to do combos (detonators) and also had no idea that the Templar could combo.

 

I think the scary thing was is one of them have 100 more promotions than me and couldn't solo perilous. 

 

So nubs can come in many shapes and forms, including over buffed double xp promo buff nubs. 

 

You know what's worse, people who don't under the basic game mechanics. I'd take a low promoted lvl 20 skilled player over an over promo'd nub that doesn't know simple game mechanics any day.

 

#banruggie2015

 

tl;dr Casuals everywhere

 

Very few people care about game mechanics. But, the truth is it doesn't matter.

 

Time spent playing this game is better spent on grinding promotions and farming gear. Team compositions, strat planning, builds, enemy knowledge, combos, basically everything meta-related are eclipsed by promotions and gear after you clock a few hundred hours. Actually, no point in knowing any of it beyond satisfying your curiosity and completing HB at low stats.

 

I shouldn't be posting here anymore anyways

[K_A_Rnage]

WOW.

 

I cant believe that this is a 3 page debate over the OP's ignorance.

 

Players not ready for NM come in all shapes and levels.

Being lvl 20 doesn't dictate their status.

Not everyone has the same goals.

Not everyone plays with friends or pro's.

 

If you kick me as a lvl 20 then i'll just go solo the thing, I don't need your help nor promotions to win.

[sonofbarak]

tl;dr Casuals everywhere

 

Very few people care about game mechanics. But, the truth is it doesn't matter.

 

Time spent playing this game is better spent on grinding promotions and farming gear. Team compositions, strat planning, builds, enemy knowledge, combos, basically everything meta-related are eclipsed by promotions and gear after you clock a few hundred hours. Actually, no point in knowing any of it beyond satisfying your curiosity and completing HB at low stats.

 

I shouldn't be posting here anymore anyways

 

I think its funny how if someone on the leaderboard they know nothing about game mechanics. But you are right once you get to an certain level of promotions. It frees you to play any build you want to play and game mechanics are not so important.

[Theghostof_timmy]

Why are we feeding an obvious troll?

Quite. Take a look at ruggie's history and it's all outrageous statements, lies and other forms of trolling... he's also in the upper half of the PS4 leaderboards so I'd say the 20 promotions thing is bogus.

[ruggie]

Most the lvl 20s are weak. If rather carry a new player that's promoting and being progressive than staying at 20. There's a thing that new players have that if you're a 20 You tough when that's just false. I'm doing nm runs on old maps n fc and I'm the only one with over 150 promotions 2 are well under 100 So while I believe it is possible to do at 30 base stats is a wash because we can pull 3 runs to there 1 I'm sure. And we use co op like panic and combos support all that. I'm just saying I'm the long run it even short run promotions matter way more than any weapon and gear. But if you like dragging along posters that refuse to promote than more power to ya. I will kick them every time. As for the people saying play on private lobbies sometimes no one is on our we need a fourth. Sorry my crew was left on the ps3. But I still want prove if a completion with low stats or it never happened.

[ruggie]

Also you ask want to ban me because I don't post nice things. Lol why should I? I love the game but it did me wrong so many times is hard to say good about it sometimes. Sorry the ps3 community was much better all around but I guys I should have expected this as most little kids got mommy to buy a 4. Either way I will put money in it they ain't running rogues other than alchemist or mister sister. And the group is probably like legionares and arc as nes because I get 1 shot so they just get liked at funny and drop I'm sure. But whatever I got my ps3 friends and some ps4 friends that dupport most of not all I say so ban ruggie but nothing is stopping ruggie from making a new account lol.