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[Bearform]

If we can support kicking people for being at level 20 in lobbies. Then maybe we can support deleting forum posts for poor grammar and spelling. Just saying, just saying......Not sure which irks me more, having people join NM games and dying and having to carry them or reading a post 3 times because I can not understand the poster. 

 

Both concepts are equally inflammatory, but makes some sense, in a way. 

 

I always give the person a chance before I leave the lobby or try to kick them. As long as they don't fade by zone 3 then who cares if they are level 20. 

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#banruggie2015

[ruggie]

They all fade by door 2 I post as I play. I usually don't proof read but ill start. I don't look at what I type usually

[K_A_Rnage]

#banruggie2015

Pffff.
Just ban everyone.
From everything.
Forever.
lol

[sonofbarak]

They all fade by door 2 I post as I play. I usually don't proof read but ill start. I don't look at what I type usually

 

Is it really that bad on the PS4??

[ParthianShotX]

 I don't look at what I type usually

 

at least you have the consolation of being among the majority

[Parachromis]

From a casual player, I can tell you that teamwork is the key to success at NM, not promotes. When I play on NM, I usually use a character around 18-20. It all really depends on the char involved to me just saying F-it, I'm going to use a 20 because I like to or should play this char. I figure the OP is frustrated by NM pugs, and I understand that. Some games are easy, and some are impossible. Same game, different players. Promotes have nothing to do with success. Coordination does. I know, I've done NM with 3 total characters with me being at sub-30 promotes at the time, and I never died once.

 

Since the OP has little patience for others, I also figure he's probably not much of a team player. In the last 2 days of playing, I've carried several people in Perilous games, I'm ok with that. They were out of their league but they tried like hell to make it through. I happily helped them along. I didn't, nor thought about kicking anyone. Booting people for something as little as being lvl 20 is just naive and short-sighted. Maybe someone is giving NM a try with their very best? At least the intention is there...but no, the elitists want nothing to do with the scrubs. Don't help/teach/train. Don't involve yourself in the community or make an effort to make it better. Just kick 'em and ignore everyone but yourself. Before long, DAMP will be dead because it doesn't cater to new players.

 

Just sayin'. I live the pug life bro... 

[Bearform]

I am on the PS4. It is sometimes that bad. Was much worse in the beginning when NM first came out. Now there are, I would say 1/5 random guy that would join NM, having no business being there. Played some games with ruggie, he would teabag them to the fade when those guys died. That contributed to why they all faded by zone 2. Although I do not like those people joining NM, tea bagging some random dude I find mean to a point. Personally I just refuse to rez them so they know they have no business in NM. To be honest though, every time he tea bagged them into the fade, I was laughing out loud despite trying to hold back the laughter. 

[dryz]

To be honest, promotions have nothing to do with skill... I met 2 people the other day, obviously promotion exploited (double xp) because they told me and they didn't even know how to do combos (detonators) and also had no idea that the Templar could combo.

I think the scary thing was is one of them have 100 more promotions than me and couldn't solo perilous.

So nubs can come in many shapes and forms, including over buffed double xp promo buff nubs.

You know what's worse, people who don't under the basic game mechanics. I'd take a low promoted lvl 20 skilled player over an over promo'd nub that doesn't know simple game mechanics any day.

#banruggie2015

I had a match earlier with a guy who was running a level 20 reaver giving out commands from the start of the match and as soon as we hit enemies he started swinging his big heavy greatsword around. I thought ok maybe he just doesn't feel like he needs Dragon rage, I mean he has to have it right, he's level 20? Nope, he's running his mouth about how we aren't playing as a team because I was playing a lower level silent sister and was just cleaning up pots and chest rooms that I could open, and he's complaining that he needs help. Now mind you he was running a fully leveled reaver with skywatchers cleaver on elven ruins perilous. There is no reason he should ever be yelling into the mic at other players because he can't handle a few stray enemies. None of the rest of us ever said a word to him and just kicked back and listened to him implode, without speaking I'm positive the other 3 of us had a chuckle together.

[sonofbarak]

I think what the OP is saying if you just started DAMP or had low promotes NM is not meant for you. Perilous is your friend Master that first.

[dryz]

But what about people who already promoted to max usefulness and now just want to run nightmare Dragon for loot? He's saying he wants to boot level 20s, when perhaps those are the ones doing others a favor and carrying people through the map. I remember when I first started playing I could barely get through threatening, and every once in awhile you get a high level geared up person who had no reason being in routine or threatening just running the maps for hours, shooting the **** and carrying people like me through those crappy early levels with level 5 weapons and base armor. Those people are exactly what new players need to not just give up on the spot, and it sounds like op thinks he can look down at people because he thinks everyone who stays at level 20 is a loser. I have at least 1 PvP 20 of each class at any given time, if I jump in a pub match and see under leveled players trying to bypass the grind I'll jump on one even though I don't need the xp, because when that lvl 3 Lego is at 15 after the match I know I can go throw in one of my low levels and not have to worry about getting kicked because someone like op who can't look past anything but level and promotions, thinks my max gear level 1 will be a strain on him.

[sonofbarak]

I think you missing the point he talking about lvl 20 who keep going to the fade. They are not carried anyone

[ruggie]

Simple fact majority of 20s have no business above perilous.

[ruggie]

And if promotions don't matter why can I run it on like lvl 10 not even with an ok group and win? If promoting doesn't matter why with a solid grouo we can pull lvl 1s?

[K_A_Rnage]

Simple fact majority of 20s have no business above perilous.

Simple fact is I can solo NM FC in 50 mins with a lvl 20.

[akots1]

 

- Completed Demons when level 30

 

As I understand, this is the only semi-legit completion and there is no tell how it relates to the actual current live version of HB. I don't know the details as these were never discussed openly. The only thing anybody have seen is screenshot with classes crossed out. First, some people in that lobby were not exactly at 30/30/30. How much higher, I have little idea. Second, how many times did people disconnect/reconnect to get extra potions or take a break. It does not make it non-legit, just puts it in somewhat in the gray as this was testing environment where some things that might be frowned upon are permitted. In either case, I'd rather take Medallian's twitch over that. At least he has a video.

 

I'm seriously tempted to give it a serious try with team of people in their 20s-30s-40s if such a team can be assembled. IMHO, it might be possible, just takes some major effort.

[Hang3d Man]

Simple fact majority of 20s have no business above perilous.

Um so the level 20 guys should stick to Routine and Threatening. Got it.

Brilliant analysis.

[CrimsonN7]

Simple fact is I can solo NM FC in 50 mins with a lvl 20.

 

Gah man why would you want to do this, that sounds painfully tedious.

[ruggie]

Triangle triangle x is a new exploit.

[JAMiAM]

With a good setup and a viable strat, fastest run was around 1hr 25mn, longer runs can take up to 1hr 45mn or so. 

 

Do keep in mind that it takes a lot of time to figure out the best strats. Testing a new faction can take anywhere from 4hrs to 20hrs or so.

 

We never let anyone go in the fade. As a coordinated team we don't tend to die much but it does happen, and when it does we make sure that everyone resets their death count every wave by rejoining.  On wave 5 we host migrate whenever failure becomes obvious  (usually last man standing, dead tank, etc) to reset the wave. Death count for wave 5 varies; for demons I believe no one died. For Venatori I was the only one to die once, and for RT well we didn't complete it yet

Wait a minute.  You're saying that the only way for you guys who beta tested the game to beat HB was for you to cheat...err...exploit the **** out of the join/rejoin/host migration loopholes in the game?  Please tell me that you at least reported that series of exploits to the development team.

 

Now, that being said, I absolutely do NOT have anything against the difficulty level being so rough that experienced players with 30/30/30 stats, level 20 characters w/o BiS items cannot beat the difficulty without feeling that they need to resort to cheating.  I do, however, have something against the development team leaving such loopholes in the game, to be exploited.  In my opinion, if a specific player leaves a game, and re-enters it, that player should re-enter with the same level of used potions, incapacitated counts, and XP as they left with.  No more, and no less.  This should also be tracked across host migrations, as well, being reset only when the game begins on zone 1, or ends by either full party deaths, or victory after zone 5.

 

I realize that this is probably not a popular opinion, and that many of the top leader board players have abuse this since day one.  However, it still sits poorly with me, and cheapens the difficulty level.  Nay, it cheapens all difficulty levels.

[ruggie]

I agree jam. This is why they won't show us that they are so good with 30 stats because they reset lol. Frauds. Promotions beat items all day everyday.

[Felis Menari]

Simple fact majority of 20s have no business above perilous.

Simple fact: If your allies perform effectively, then you have no legitimate reason to complain about how they play.

[coffbear7]

 Some of the ol PS3 group Ruggie is talking about has posted in this thread. They are vetrans and know of which they speak. I have known the OP from my early days. Thats to say about 2 months into the game. Mind you this is before any of the super weapons became available from the Dragon drops or chest, bought or looted. I ran into a fellow just before i went to the 4 running a Templar. Only a couple weeks into the game(so he said)he already had the Mage Hunter shield and sporting a Bitter axe.New RNG, go figure. Didn't understand what Wrath of Heaven and Spell Purge could do for him or the group and was running with that gear. Gave him a few pointers and asked him if he was going to promote his Templar. There in lies the rub the OP is alluding to.

 

 I started running into Ruggie in friend of  a friend matches after I had several promotions under my belt. We became friends. I always crafted the best Armour ( thats some french there for NextAriShok308 LOL ) I could and only relied on RNG for the rest. BIS weapons or shield. NO freely given Uber weapons back then. The OP like some others on this thread held to the same mantra, promote, promote, promote. See it however you like but I see the wisdom in it based on the increasing difficulty levels this game offers. If you want to survive you got to learn how to pile drive. More stats can only help.

 

 Now on the 4 I have run with Ruggie. I'll gladly do it again when the silly little thing called 3'rd shift and sleep allows me to. I've run with some of the posters in this thread and am thankful that they see fit to included me in some runs when they can.

 

 Thats not to say I don't get Teabagged or haven't glitched into insta fade running with them. I have and hope the tradition continue. For me with my stats, sometimes its a chore for me to run at the pace they do, and NOT get Teabagged. You see I'm still aquiring stats. They know I believe in the mantra. I have characters even I can put in the game at low levels and at least contribute to an extract at zone 5.

 

So Ban away! Ban every one except for yourself, put yourself in a round room and go pee in the corner!

[sonofbarak]

Wait a minute.  You're saying that the only way for you guys who beta tested the game to beat HB was for you to cheat...err...exploit the **** out of the join/rejoin/host migration loopholes in the game?  Please tell me that you at least reported that series of exploits to the development team.

 

Now, that being said, I absolutely do NOT have anything against the difficulty level being so rough that experienced players with 30/30/30 stats, level 20 characters w/o BiS items cannot beat the difficulty without feeling that they need to resort to cheating.  I do, however, have something against the development team leaving such loopholes in the game, to be exploited.  In my opinion, if a specific player leaves a game, and re-enters it, that player should re-enter with the same level of used potions, incapacitated counts, and XP as they left with.  No more, and no less.  This should also be tracked across host migrations, as well, being reset only when the game begins on zone 1, or ends by either full party deaths, or victory after zone 5.

 

I realize that this is probably not a popular opinion, and that many of the top leader board players have abuse this since day one.  However, it still sits poorly with me, and cheapens the difficulty level.  Nay, it cheapens all difficulty levels.

Actually a lot of the people on the leaderboards does not need to do this.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

Wait a minute.  You're saying that the only way for you guys who beta tested the game to beat HB was for you to cheat...err...exploit the **** out of the join/rejoin/host migration loopholes in the game?  Please tell me that you at least reported that series of exploits to the development team.
 
Now, that being said, I absolutely do NOT have anything against the difficulty level being so rough that experienced players with 30/30/30 stats, level 20 characters w/o BiS items cannot beat the difficulty without feeling that they need to resort to cheating.  I do, however, have something against the development team leaving such loopholes in the game, to be exploited.  In my opinion, if a specific player leaves a game, and re-enters it, that player should re-enter with the same level of used potions, incapacitated counts, and XP as they left with.  No more, and no less.  This should also be tracked across host migrations, as well, being reset only when the game begins on zone 1, or ends by either full party deaths, or victory after zone 5.
 
I realize that this is probably not a popular opinion, and that many of the top leader board players have abuse this since day one.  However, it still sits poorly with me, and cheapens the difficulty level.  Nay, it cheapens all difficulty levels.

I agree jam. This is why they won't show us that they are so good with 30 stats because they reset lol. Frauds. Promotions beat items all day everyday.

Not being defensive,but there's less than 100 beta testers,so strategies among friends was pretty much the only way to TEST NM and especially HB to the finish.So it was really more of a help than an exploit.