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[Wavebend]

After experimenting on the new hb difficulty and talks with top players on xbone, I do believe it was made as a long term countermeasure AGAINST solo artists and balancing of assumed overpowered kits like SS. Bread and butter classes like AW and legionnare aren't as durable in hb compared to nm, due to ridiculous spamming of mage stone fists, dispels, and 10 second fade cloaking in which they are untouchable/invincible. Don't get me started on the despair demon aoe blizzards and their long duration chill. A lot of the status/paralyze effects aren't avoidable/mitigated even with maxed magic defenses or combat roll without some serious group coordination. I'm not surprised no one has successfully solo'ed or team stomped hb yet without dragon calls.

 

Demons and Red Templars can definitely be soloed (and it has been done fyi). I think this is a l2p issue.

 

Its an exploit  Well played my crew did HB with 30/30/30 stats

 

You could call it an exploit if you want. Someone said there was less than 100 beta testers, that's true and I'd say the number is actually much, much lower than that (I'd say 10 active testers at MOST at any time given), but in fact there were only 5 players who were willing to test HB with me. And worse even, some of them didn't even play HB before so I had to explain strats, builds, positioning, etc. so they could perform at a decent level.

 

As I understand, this is the only semi-legit completion and there is no tell how it relates to the actual current live version of HB. I don't know the details as these were never discussed openly. The only thing anybody have seen is screenshot with classes crossed out. First, some people in that lobby were not exactly at 30/30/30. How much higher, I have little idea. Second, how many times did people disconnect/reconnect to get extra potions or take a break. It does not make it non-legit, just puts it in somewhat in the gray as this was testing environment where some things that might be frowned upon are permitted. In either case, I'd rather take Medallian's twitch over that. At least he has a video.

 

I'm seriously tempted to give it a serious try with team of people in their 20s-30s-40s if such a team can be assembled. IMHO, it might be possible, just takes some major effort.

 

Current demons HB is the same version as in beta. You're right, I wasn't exactly 30/30/30 but more like 36/38/35 because of how long i've been playing beta. It's not much higher but it deserves to be mentioned. Just go check the leaderboards on beta for exact values and check for these players: leynaline, jaywee1, pifffle, mss100

If you don't want to trust me that's fine, to be honest i really don't care lol. And yeah we did disconnect/reconnect every single wave (keep in mind some of these players didn't play HB and weren't pro-players at first) and no I won't post a video because strate-skills

 

And TBH ruggie, you're a scrub. I don't care about your promotions but you really seem to suck at this game. I took the bait but sorry, couldn't help it.

[sonofbarak]

Watch your back! Warning Teabagger present 

 

Hey!!! Hey!!!! That the price of admission for bringing in an level 1
 

[HelenCarnate]

Honestly guys why twist words? OP said level 20 who goes to the fade all the time. If your in the fade all the time what contribution did you make? The idea is play at the level you can make contribution to the team effort. That would be any gaming principle.

No the OP said lvl 20 period.  He assumes that if you are level 20 in NM that you don't know what you are doing and have very few promotions.  Im sure this is true for some but not for most of the 20s I have run into in NM.

[Spin-Orbit]

No the OP said lvl 20 period.  He assumes that if you are level 20 in NM that you don't know what you are doing and have very few promotions.  Im sure this is true for some but not for most of the 20s I have run into in NM.

 

Can we please start kicking these people. Playing as a 20 tells me you have 30 combined promotions and will die within minutes of opening the door. The game is about promoting not having a lvl 20. Ps4 community lacks so many aspects the ps3 thrived in. Anyway I say kick them out. Also a minimum stat requirement would be awesome.

 

 

Read what he said die within minutes. If your running l20 because you like it that way and your strong player that would not be the issue. Final min stat would be nice shows if i was 300/300/300 and want to run L20 i am sure he would have no issue

[Hang3d Man]

Can we please start kicking these people. Playing as a 20 tells me you have 30 combined promotions and will die within minutes of opening the door. The game is about promoting not having a lvl 20. Ps4 community lacks so many aspects the ps3 thrived in. Anyway I say kick them out. Also a minimum stat requirement would be awesome.
 
 
Read what he said die within minutes. If your running l20 because you like it that way and your strong player that would not be the issue. Final min stat would be nice shows if i was 300/300/300 and want to run L20 i am sure he would have no issue

Uh, he said "will die" not does die. He hasn't seen the individual in question play yet at that point but he thinks it's still ok to make that snap judgment and potentially alienate a good player or even a possible friend. And for someone who doesn't have enough friends to go private that, along with almost the entirety of his initial premise, seems like a bad idea.

[HelenCarnate]

 

Can we please start kicking these people. Playing as a 20 tells me you have 30 combined promotions and will die within minutes of opening the door. The game is about promoting not having a lvl 20. Ps4 community lacks so many aspects the ps3 thrived in. Anyway I say kick them out. Also a minimum stat requirement would be awesome.

 

 

Read what he said die within minutes. If your running l20 because you like it that way and your strong player that would not be the issue. Final min stat would be nice shows if i was 300/300/300 and want to run L20 i am sure he would have no issue

 

And he is only assuming that someone who brings a 20 only has limited promotions and will die.  He never said that he was tired of seeing people that are 20 that do die in the original post.  He is wanting to kick people who are level 20 before the match even starts without giving them a chance to prove that they can play.  

 

Edit to add: Now if they actually made it so you could view others stats, you know people would use that as a way to exclude people only based on their stats without having ever seen them play.  So you know it is unlikely to ever happen.  What the OP is suggesting is that if he sees a lvl 20, they should be kicked without ever finding out if they know what they are doing or have the stats to solo NM.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

Kicking anyone for being a lvl 20 is a dick move,I don't care who you are.And coming from ruggie,I'm not surprised at all.

[BlackLitez]

I put a skull on level 20s who die while i'm soloing with my level 1 in perilous, you bet I'll be doing the same if I ever see them in Nightmare.  People who die constantly in Threatening and Perilous try to get carried in Nightmare a lot more often than one might think

[dryz]

Can we please start kicking these people. Playing as a 20 tells me you have 30 combined promotions and will die within minutes of opening the door. The game is about promoting not having a lvl 20. Ps4 community lacks so many aspects the ps3 thrived in. Anyway I say kick them out. Also a minimum stat requirement would be awesome.


Read what he said die within minutes. If your running l20 because you like it that way and your strong player that would not be the issue. Final min stat would be nice shows if i was 300/300/300 and want to run L20 i am sure he would have no issue

Umm you just killed your own argument, you quoted exactly what he says, and then ignore it completely to fit your own narrative.

He says "playing as a 20 tells me You will die within minutes" he's describing booting level 20s in the pregame lobby because of his own perception of what that means. He never said "the level 20 dies withing minutes of starting the match" his entire argument hinges on his imagination, and now your entire argument hinges on you imagining he's saying something different.

[sonofbarak]

Umm you just killed your own argument, you quoted exactly what he says, and then ignore it completely to fit your own narrative.

He says "playing as a 20 tells me You will die within minutes" he's describing booting level 20s in the pregame lobby because of his own perception of what that means. He never said "the level 20 dies withing minutes of starting the match" his entire argument hinges on his imagination, and now your entire argument hinges on you imagining he's saying something different.

 

If u show up in my lobby with an level 20 u getting the skulls

[sonofbarak]

Demons and Red Templars can definitely be soloed (and it has been done fyi). I think this is a l2p issue.

 

 

You could call it an exploit if you want. Someone said there was less than 100 beta testers, that's true and I'd say the number is actually much, much lower than that (I'd say 10 active testers at MOST at any time given), but in fact there were only 5 players who were willing to test HB with me. And worse even, some of them didn't even play HB before so I had to explain strats, builds, positioning, etc. so they could perform at a decent level.

 

 

Current demons HB is the same version as in beta. You're right, I wasn't exactly 30/30/30 but more like 36/38/35 because of how long i've been playing beta. It's not much higher but it deserves to be mentioned. Just go check the leaderboards on beta for exact values and check for these players: leynaline, jaywee1, pifffle, mss100

If you don't want to trust me that's fine, to be honest i really don't care lol. And yeah we did disconnect/reconnect every single wave (keep in mind some of these players didn't play HB and weren't pro-players at first) and no I won't post a video because strate-skills

 

And TBH ruggie, you're a scrub. I don't care about your promotions but you really seem to suck at this game. I took the bait but sorry, couldn't help it.

 

Only reason I say that is because you made the bold statement " My crew and I did HB with 30/30/30 stats without the details. Without the resetting of lives and potion. You guys would've never finish it.
 

[Wavebend]

On;y reason I say that is because you made the bold statement " My crew and I did HB with 30/30/30 stats without the details. Without the resetting of lives and potion. You guys would've never finish it.

 

Correct. Players in beta including myself aren't the best out there and coordination could always be better. However I strongly believe that it's possible to complete without resetting of lives / potion with more skillful players and better coordination.

[Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3]

Thanks for the vote of confidence bend.

[BlackLitez]

Resetting of lives and potions by leaving a game and coming back in the same fashion as running a level 20, leaving and coming back with a level 1 for xp.

 

Clever use of game mechanics or cheating...ban everyone?   Rampant use in beta?

 

Wish these level 20 arcane warriors coming into Nightmare and going into the fade in zone one would just leave

[akots1]

Not being defensive,but there's less than 100 beta testers,so strategies among friends was pretty much the only way to TEST NM and especially HB to the finish.So it was really more of a help than an exploit.

Can absolutely confirm that. There was no other way to test and even with that, there were too few people. If not for Wavebend's commitment, these HB testings would not have been organized.

[Jailson_MMB]

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[Gya]

"Ooooh! Kick me! Kick me!"

[akots1]

If you don't want to trust me that's fine, to be honest i really don't care lol. And yeah we did disconnect/reconnect every single wave (keep in mind some of these players didn't play HB and weren't pro-players at first) and no I won't post a video because strate-skills.

It is not an issue of trust, or course I trust you and I had myself run quite a number of failed zone 5 HB attempts. It is frustrating lack of shared information.

[pwnjabber]

Coff bear brought up a good point about how things were different in the pre dragonslayer/hakkon days. Perlious was the highest difficulty that offered the most gold and xp, and in those days you were really hurting for and dependent on gold to hit it lucky on RNG with important weapons and accessories.

Now that any player that just joined can hop in a NM match and get carried to their way to a hakkon drop (once they find out about them) of course there are going to be more lvl 20s in NM lobbies, seeing as they think that's their best shot at the good stuff... And at the moment it is! Newer players today have the easy dragon they can grind for equips and OP classes like silent sister to make up for their lack of promotes. BW has been generous to newbies in this regard, and so I don't doubt that there are some lvl 20s in NM who do survive and don't bog down the party by insta fading. However, their contribution is always going to be static at best, and they are not going to speed up runs or keep the higher promoted chars from having to do most of the saving and heavily lifting in the DPS department.

There are skilled and experienced lvl 20s and there are worse ones, just like there are better and worse promoted players. So try not to take it as an attack when promoters question why you don't want to get stronger. There are lots of people saying they want a challenge and for some reason want to work harder to get the same end result (xp, gold, weapon drops). There's a place for that and it's called heartbreaker. Personally I prefer efficient strong NM runs above long drawn out encounters that may be a wash in the end anyway. I'm not going to boot lvl 20s just for trying... But I'm definitely going to play more with the people that are working on getting stronger.

And for god's sake Ruggie we are PS3 brethren but spell and grammer check your s***!! It won't kill you, and I think I had a brain aneurysm trying understand some of your posts.

[dryz]

Personally I prefer efficient strong NM runs above long drawn out encounters that may be a wash in the end anyway. I'm not going to boot lvl 20s just for trying... But I'm definitely going to play more with the people that are working on getting stronger.

And that's a completely reasonable outlook. No one's saying you're required to carry people who can't play, no matter what level they are, but to kick people from the lobby because your perception is that they must not promote is asinine. Maybe they do promote but have a level 20 to ensure they can beat NM without a struggle. At this point people aren't playing NM for the challenge or the experience, they're doing it for the loot.

[dryz]

Personally I prefer efficient strong NM runs above long drawn out encounters that may be a wash in the end anyway. I'm not going to boot lvl 20s just for trying... But I'm definitely going to play more with the people that are working on getting stronger.

And that's a completely reasonable outlook. No one's saying you're required to carry people who can't play, no matter what level they are, but to kick people from the lobby because your perception is that they must not promote is asinine. Maybe they do promote but have a level 20 to ensure they can beat NM without a struggle. At this point people aren't playing NM for the challenge or the experience, they're doing it for the loot.

[ruggie]

The players in beta need to do their jobs the enemy under the map is back. Yall would have seen this but ya know all them host migrations it got past. I say put me n son om beta because we actually know what this game is about.

[ruggie]

What I'm saying is lvl 20 people that die almost instantly will be kicked the ones that are good at 20 ill tell to promote. Promotions make gear not important I mean sure the better gear is good but up until the hakkons I was using the 3rd best weapons in the game and made them look good because I promote. Hb will take forever if you even can complete without cheating. If you got high stats around 80 You won't need that 20 and it won't take 3 hours. The beta I'm this game has let countless bugs past and now I know why they get by because to fix the bugs you need to migrate hosts and that's what they do just to complete. Hate me if you want but most of the better high promotions players and even good new players support what I say. Have fun host migrating ill beat it as intended.

[ruggie]

And honestly what's the difference between a lvl 15 and 20 on most the characters maybe a passive or 2 that's actually needed wowwwww. Just put a cap on it and call it a day.

[Spin-Orbit]

Coff bear brought up a good point about how things were different in the pre dragonslayer/hakkon days. Perlious was the highest difficulty that offered the most gold and xp, and in those days you were really hurting for and dependent on gold to hit it lucky on RNG with important weapons and accessories.

Now that any player that just joined can hop in a NM match and get carried to their way to a hakkon drop (once they find out about them) of course there are going to be more lvl 20s in NM lobbies, seeing as they think that's their best shot at the good stuff... And at the moment it is! Newer players today have the easy dragon they can grind for equips and OP classes like silent sister to make up for their lack of promotes. BW has been generous to newbies in this regard, and so I don't doubt that there are some lvl 20s in NM who do survive and don't bog down the party by insta fading. However, their contribution is always going to be static at best, and they are not going to speed up runs or keep the higher promoted chars from having to do most of the saving and heavily lifting in the DPS department.

There are skilled and experienced lvl 20s and there are worse ones, just like there are better and worse promoted players. So try not to take it as an attack when promoters question why you don't want to get stronger. There are lots of people saying they want a challenge and for some reason want to work harder to get the same end result (xp, gold, weapon drops). There's a place for that and it's called heartbreaker. Personally I prefer efficient strong NM runs above long drawn out encounters that may be a wash in the end anyway. I'm not going to boot lvl 20s just for trying... But I'm definitely going to play more with the people that are working on getting stronger.

And for god's sake Ruggie we are PS3 brethren but spell and grammer check your s***!! It won't kill you, and I think I had a brain aneurysm trying understand some of your posts.

I have had people in NM i am carrying ask me how they check if they opened enough chests to qualify for Hakkon weapons, they been on for a week. LOL too many people figure they can hitch a ride get the best gear and they would be able to play NM and HB. Too bad now days you see level 18,19,20 WITH Hakkon Weapons die too easily...

It isn't a bad request newbies have access to best stuff, but it really is when you think on the balance of this game.

 

Ruggie is a good player and knows what he is doing. What he is saying makes sense but too many here want to do literal interpretation of his horrid grammer, syntax and spelling. Probably done while playing with one hand, drinking with other and typing with his toes.