MP in ME3 added nothing of value to ME3, in fact it heavily drained from resources that could have been put in ME3's singeplayer assets so that we wouldn't be stuck with all those fetch quests and meaningless war assets. Perhaps, if they'd dropped multiplayer the could even make choices matter.
To be fair to the MP camp, this is actually verifiably untrue.
Time spent in Blizzard's games: ~30k hoursTime spent in ME3SP: ~180 hrs
Time spent in ME3MP: > 2200 hrs
I should get out more ...
Do people know what's actually happening in the industry?
The multiplayer - and the always online model will eventually replace the traditional singel player experience.
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They've already tried that with PC games ... generally garners quite a backlash, results in a negative gamer reviews on metacritic (which some publishers actually take seriously) and is actually already dying out again. It's one of the things that SimCity (2013) was heavily criticised for.
First game I was aware of always-on DRM in was The Settlers 7 - it was removed from that game back in February 2013.
There has been talk of doing it on consoles essentially to kill off the used game market... it'll probably be tried for a while and then die down again the first time there's a network outage.
It isn't ad homenim considering you are crying and posting conspiracy theories. What else have I to do when you provide no evidence of your "claim" for me to even refute, instead shitposting a bunch of "woe is me/us the singleplayer malcontent(s)" conjecture while comparing people who like MP to children (which is a bit closer to the fallacy you are mentioning)?
It isn't ad homenim considering you are crying and posting conspiracy theories.
There it is again.
What about the claim that the industry is obviously pushing an always online agenda. You can't not see this trend if you follow the industry closely. Can you explain why I might be wrong about this?
MP in ME3 added nothing of value to ME3, in fact it heavily drained from resources that could have been put in ME3's singeplayer assets so that we wouldn't be stuck with all those fetch quests and meaningless war assets. Perhaps, if they'd dropped multiplayer the could even make choices matter.
Time spent in ME3SP: less than 50 hours
Time spent in ME3MP: over 540 hours
That's all the empirical evidence I need. So do me a favor and jump out the airlock yourself. Please?
Wow, that's incredibly rude. No need to insult me.
ME3 is the only multi-player game I play or ever have played. I even bought two copies of ME3 for other people so we could play.
And for the first time ever, I find myself looking forward to the multi-player portion more than the single, because I don't care much for the story here.
I hope they don't mess it up.
ME3 is the only multi-player game I play or ever have played. I even bought two copies of ME3 for other people so we could play.
And for the first time ever, I find myself looking forward to the multi-player portion more than the single, because I don't care much for the story here.
I hope they don't mess it up.
What is your favorite game series of all time, apart from Mass Effect? I want to know what it is, so I can jump into it, talk about how it isn't for me, demand the developers tack on a feature that isn't supposed to be there and then alienate the majority all so I can have fun with it.
What is your favorite game series of all time, apart from Mass Effect? I want to know what it is, so I can jump into it, complain about how it isn't for me, demand the developers tack on a feature that isn't supposed to be there and then alienate the majority all so I can have fun with it.
Favorite series, Elder Scrolls. Favorite game, KotOR.
And I never asked for multi-player.
How is this important? I keep seeing that damnable word "massive" and I associate it with meaningless and tedious content, at least when it comes to Bioware. I do not care what they promise; they promise a lot of things. How about tightening some **** up? How about focusing on the story and then dealing with the MP? Baby steps, motherf*ckers!
I don't care much for the story here.
am I in the right place? is this bioware forum? or did I misclick?!
It isn't ad homenim considering you are crying and posting conspiracy theories.
There it is again.
Need I explain to you what ad homenim is? I said you were crying (i.e. a colloquialism for making unreasonable and poorly evidenced claims based entirely on pathos appeals rather than any logic), and posting conspiracy theories (which your claim meets the definition of to a T, seeing as it is fringe and has no empirical evidence supporting it, but rather is entirely based on your flawed, biased interpretation of circumstances in the gaming industry). I didn't call you a baby or a child. Stop tossing around logical fallacies that you don't understand the meaning of.
Though if you'd like to see logical fallacies in action
What about the claim that the industry is obviously pushing an always online agenda. You can't not see this trend if you follow the industry closely. Can you explain why I might be wrong about this?
Argument from ignorance and the only counter I need to your absurd claim is the fact that singleplayer games don't simply still exist, but that games requiring constant online connection are hugely in the minority (and mostly limited to exclusively multiplayer games). I can totally not see this trend, because it only exists in the psychosis inflicted minds of malcontented antisocial gamers who are triggered by every single event of paradigm or techological shift in the industry as if it were an attack on their way of life. It's a bit like listening to religious people always prattling on about the end times being right around the corner for 2000+ years.
There is nothing in that article that confirms co-op multiplayer.
This entire thread is invalid. The only things confirmed recently by Wynn on twitter is a similar combat design scheme like Mass Effect 3, and no returning characters. So I really don't see any evidence to the contrary yet.
That said, it's pretty much likely due to the leak, so at best were speculating on what it will be like.
Need I explain to you what ad homenim is? I said you were crying (i.e. a colloquialism for making unreasonable and poorly evidenced claims based entirely on pathos appeals rather than any logic), and posting conspiracy theories (which your claim meets the definition of to a T, seeing as it is fringe and has no empirical evidence supporting it, but rather is entirely based on your flawed, biased interpretation of circumstances in the gaming industry). I didn't call you a baby or a child. Stop tossing around logical fallacies that you don't understand the meaning of.
Though if you'd like to see logical fallacies in action
Argument from ignorance and the only counter I need to your absurd claim is the fact that singleplayer games don't simply still exist, but that games requiring constant online connection are hugely in the minority (and mostly limited to exclusively multiplayer games). I can totally not see this trend, because it only exists in the psychosis inflicted minds of malcontented antisocial gamers who are triggered by every single event of paradigm or techological shift in the industry as if it were an attack on their way of life. It's a bit like listening to religious people always prattling on about the end times being right around the corner for 2000+ years.
How is it an argument from ignorance when there is EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP time and time again?
Dragon Age Inquisition says hello.
Mass Effect 3 says hello.
If you don't know what I'm talking about when I'm referring to either of those two games, then you clearly haven't done your research or haven't paid attention to the DLC release history of either or the controversies of the latter.
Great news, the confirmation of MP makes this a day one purchase for me. The MP was no question the best part of ME3, it was far more creative and innovative than the SP to boot with it's various abilities and player classes and races.
Yeah, I see no actual confirmation of MP in that article.
Although honestly, does it even need confirming at this point? We all know it's coming.
This was all confirmed a long time ago.
Cthulu has spoken!
...If you don't know what I'm talking about when I'm referring to either of those two games, then you clearly haven't done your research or haven't paid attention to the DLC release history of either or the controversies of the latter.
What does the DLC release history of Mass Effect 3 have to do with always-online DRM?
What does the DLC release history of Mass Effect 3 have to do with always-online DRM?
How is it an argument from ignorance when there is EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP time and time again?
Dragon Age Inquisition says hello.
Mass Effect 3 says hello.
If you don't know what I'm talking about when I'm referring to either of those two games, then you clearly haven't done your research or haven't paid attention to the DLC release history of either or the controversies of the latter.
"Empirical Evidence- information acquired by observation or experimentation. This data is recorded and analyzed by scientists and is a central process as part of the scientific method"
Using the release dates (while completely ignoring the content) of DLC's in two games as "empirical evidence" that all of the gaming industry is moving to an online only DRM model is an utterly hilarious and absurd claim. Where is your data? Do you even have circumstantial evidence, such as statements from multiple industry insiders supporting such a claim?
It's an absurd claim about the two games in question as well considering that the MP componets used such a small share of the development resources compared to the singleplayer component. Quit trying to use terms of science in your silly little emotion fueled crusade of butthurt against all things multiplayer.
How is it an argument from ignorance when there is EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO BACK IT UP time and time again?
Dragon Age Inquisition says hello.
Mass Effect 3 says hello.
If you don't know what I'm talking about when I'm referring to either of those two games, then you clearly haven't done your research or haven't paid attention to the DLC release history of either or the controversies of the latter.
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