This presumes BioWare saw those as "problematic" elements.
And regardless, BioWare more or less paid out of pocket to make the Extended Cut anyway, so wherever the money came from is little consequence.
It only presumes that many players saw these elements as problematic. Hence my point that the money would not have necessarily gone to the endings.
Unless you're taking issue with use of the word "correct"?
So basically it's turning into generic action game with mass effect-y coat of paint.
Where on Palaven did you get that from?
Endings would have sucked either way, so this is rather moot point. Up to the 'beam me up, Scotty' moment, SP was quite good, it was after that when crap hit the fan.That being said my point was that ME3's SP experience would have been much more satisfying had the resources that had been committed to MP have been (partially) comitted into the singleplayer campaign instead, that way Bioware may have even been able to avoid the ending backlash, as well as the game generally being of higther quality, because in my opinion ME3 is rather underwhelming.
I think a lot of people just assume that Weekes was lying when he issued that denial. The ME team's close-mouthed even by Bio standards, so any hint of anything that leaks out becomes enormously important, regardless of how credible it is.
So it's rumor that is considered true basically?
that doesn't really fly IMO. We got a leak for Mass Effect 4 that is looking credible, along with a bunch of other leaks out there that are proving to be right.
Something like that felt very fabricated you know, even when I read it I didn't take it seriously. But then the media gets hold of it and posts it as truth over a rumor...
Its the kind of stuff I hate, when the community by and large is willing to trust anything without thinking about it. At least, that is how it seems.
It only presumes that many players saw these elements as problematic. Hence my point that the money would not have necessarily gone to the endings.
Unless you're taking issue with use of the word "correct"?
Partially, but at this point its a circular argument.
It's not silly, and I never suggested that EA should just randomly throw money at a project, so would you kindly not put words into my mouth, if we get tot that point this discussion will be over very quickly.
That being said my point was that ME3's SP experience would have been much more satisfying had the resources that had been committed to MP have been (partially) comitted into the singleplayer campaign instead, that way Bioware may have even been able to avoid the ending backlash, as well as the game generally being of higther quality, because in my opinion ME3 is rather underwhelming.
So it's rumor that is considered true basically?
that doesn't really fly IMO. We got a leak for Mass Effect 4 that is looking credible, along with a bunch of other leaks out there that are proving to be right.
Something like that felt very fabricated you know, even when I read it I didn't take it seriously. But then the media gets hold of it and posts it as truth over a rumor...
Its the kind of stuff I hate, when the community by and large is willing to trust anything without thinking about it. At least, that is how it seems.
They had better be taking a long hard look at DAMP and how it works with Frostbite because the top 99 out of 100 things they need to work on for MEA MP is stability. I like DAMP and play it a lot but it's been very trying because of all the crashes, disconnects etc. Basically to an unacceptable degree.
Wasn't that PennyArcade account known to be Weekes long before ME3?
And of course he would deny it, he had a career to salvage after posting that stuff about his leads.
confirmation.
13:35 Mass Effect 3 multiplayer part
14:28 "we take some inspiration from that"
They reconfirmed
http://www.gametribu...ayer-big-world/
Well, seeing as how this discussion has devolved into mere insult slinging, I think it's safe to say we're done here. I am so very tired of arguing with a Talimancer anyway.
am I in the right place? is this bioware forum? or did I misclick?!
Yeah, yeah... I just can't.
If it were a sequel, then certainly but this just strikes me as boring, like Inquisition.
I can't get excited about it.
I'm almost assuredly out at this point. I don't care about MP.
ME3 got several MP add ones and was well revived by players and critics it was obvious that MP was going to show up in future titles.
While I liked ME3MP, I'd be extremely happy if there was a co-op campaign instead.
1. I have observed. That's exactly why I am using the term empirical evidence. I have observed from both Inquisition and Mass Effect 3 that Bioware has put in more effort into Multiplayer component than the single player component. And the SP had suffered for it without question. Anyone who denies is this is....in denial.
2. Citation needed.
3. I don't need statements when actions speak louder than lies dripping from the mouths of pathological liars anyway.
4. Enough with the vitriol. It's making you look childish.
Not only did Bioware put more effort into DAMP, they designed the whole combat system around it, and used it in SP.
I guess multiplayer would be a surprise to people who didn't read the leak, who didn't play Bioware's past 2 games and who didn't follow gaming news enough to read the statements by EA Execs that no game would be greenlighted if it didn't have a multiplayer component.
Of course, Mass Effect didn't have to change much at all to incorporate MP, the gameplay is pretty much identical to previous games.
I have no idea if the leak info will make it into the game but if so there seems to be a fair amount of integration.
Need I explain to you what ad homenim is? I said you were crying (i.e. a colloquialism for making unreasonable and poorly evidenced claims based entirely on pathos appeals rather than any logic), and posting conspiracy theories (which your claim meets the definition of to a T, seeing as it is fringe and has no empirical evidence supporting it, but rather is entirely based on your flawed, biased interpretation of circumstances in the gaming industry). I didn't call you a baby or a child. Stop tossing around logical fallacies that you don't understand the meaning of.
Though if you'd like to see logical fallacies in action
Argument from ignorance and the only counter I need to your absurd claim is the fact that singleplayer games don't simply still exist, but that games requiring constant online connection are hugely in the minority (and mostly limited to exclusively multiplayer games). I can totally not see this trend, because it only exists in the psychosis inflicted minds of malcontented antisocial gamers who are triggered by every single event of paradigm or techological shift in the industry as if it were an attack on their way of life. It's a bit like listening to religious people always prattling on about the end times being right around the corner for 2000+ years.
You seem very aggressive and you're throwing a lot of demeaning words at me. You need to pay close attention to what I say. First of all, I never asserted that I had hard data on this issue. I made a claim based on observations I've made about trends in the industry. This isn't an unreasonable - or absurd claim at all. I don't know why you would say that. I didn't intend for my post to be included in a scientific paper, yet you attack me for the lack of empirical evidence?
Where is your empirical evidence to the contrary? It seems that if you require me to have hard data to back up my claims, then you should be required to provide hard data to back up yours - which is that my claim is a conspiracy. We don't always work with hard data when exploring subjects; we observe the world, make predictions and draw conclusions. My point is that even if I didn't provide you with hard data there was still an opportunity for you to deal with my claim in a rational way, but you chose the quick and easy path. When you say that someone is posting conspiracies you're instinctively searching for a way to delegitimize a claim in the most efficient way possible, without having to actually deal with it in a constructive manner.
When you say that someone is crying and posting conspiracy theories, that is the very definition of ad hominem, because instead of dealing with the claim in a rational way, you brush it all aside - then you make an attempt to deligitimize the claim by making demeaning comments about the persons state of mind and intellectual character. This is all that is required for something to be an ad hominem attack. If you'd been a rational person, you should've been able to show me how my claim is absurd by giving me your reasons; but all you do is throwing out demeaning comments. What you did is a textbook example of an ad hominem attack, something a professor would be happy to use in his class.
Corporations are always looking for ways to increase their profit. Take a look at Activision and its subsidiary companies. Take a look at how their most successful games are designed. Always online, with microtransactions, repetitive/grindy gameplay, shallow stories, but also massively profitable. How long will it be before other companies follow suit? I don't enjoy fighting and I didn't express any aggression in my post. I simply made a claim about the direction of the industry. How you could label my claim a conspiracy is beyond me.
Don't let your emotions get the better of you. You can respond to this post without making me sound like a crazy person.
Endings would have sucked either way, so this is rather moot point. Up to the 'beam me up, Scotty' moment, SP was quite good, it was after that when crap hit the fan.
Well, some people weren't happy with limited dialog options in favour of auto-dialog, or the ninja snooping quests, where you overhear someone talking to get a quest. These design decisions were all about cutting back and saving money though, not MP development taking resources.
Other than that sort of thing, yeah the SP game wasn't bad.
ME3 got several MP add ones and was well revived by players and critics it was obvious that MP was going to show up in future titles.
The reason MP will show up in all future titles is because EA mandated it to be so. It's either make a game with MP or go home. The relatively lackluster performance of DAMP will not change that, any more than the success of M3MP encouraged it. It just is.
I'm almost assuredly out at this point. I don't care about MP.
I'm sticking around out of curiosity to see how the game will be designed, and how it's received by various players. At this point I have no intention of buying it at full price. I may watch a youtube lets play, like I did with Witcher 3.
That's right! Co op MP confirmed.
I can't find the specific source the site uses for the information, but this is important news.
Mass Effect: Andromeda is still far from release, but BioWare has revealed some new details about game’s big-size world and gameplay modes, which includes co-op multiplayer.
According to the Canadian developer, gamers will enjoy co-op multiplayer in a “really big” galaxy when Mass Effect: Andromeda releases on the PS4, Xbox One and PC. Mass Effect development director Chris Wynn suggested on Twitter that it’s on track to release in Holiday 2016, despite still being in an early stage of development.
ALSO READ: Mass Effect Andromeda Has Combat Similar to Mass Effect 3
Not long ago, GameTribute broke the story that Mass Effect: Andromeda runs run on an entirely new engine designed for the latest PS4, Xbox One and PC hardware. Lending more credence to that report, Wynn admitted that the game offers gamers a “really big” galaxy when compared to the earlier Mass Effect titles.
I don’t know about you, but we take “really big” to mean “ridiculously massive.” Fortunately, BioWare made sure not to make it a barren universe, having incorporated many exciting things for the most intrepid of space adventurers to do.
Co-op multiplayer makes a return, adding more variety to gameplay. It was a very enjoyable part of Mass Effect 3, but let’s hope it’s even better this time around.
Will Mass Effect: Andromeda be ready for a holiday 2016 release? Will co-op multiplayer add to the fun? Head to the comments section and let us know what you want to see in the game.
Yeah, not long ago an article said there was no multiplayer in ME3... Unless its straight from Bioware via Twitter or Bioware blog its bs. Or announcement in this forum - lol, joking, wont ever happen. This article is another creation of someone who has no idea about Mass Effect. Sorry, i really am, coop would be cool. And it might happen but this is just simply no confimation.
It isn't a rumor, it is fact; and that's all I have to say on the matter.
No such animal exists anymore and hasn't for several years, there is a wide swath of AAA level story-based games released this year and slated for the next two that have no MP components. MEAMP exists because ME3MP was very VERY successful, and in a cost to production ratio much much more successful then ME3SP by a rather large margin. The Build Team absolutely and unequivocally earned their stripes, and not only that, but they kept interest in the franchise amongst those still enamored of the universe but unequivocally unenamored of the endings, no small feat.
Your post is hard to follow because you quoted a single word instead of the full post. Please consider not doing that again 
That said, EA dictated that for them to fund a project, it must include MP. That's why any game out of EA/Bioware will have multiplayer from now on. It being successful is a bonus that lets Bioware stay employed and keep making more games with an MP component. In fact, ME3MP's success is why they mandated that ME3 must include MP to begin with. Gotta love those microtransactions. And now, if the leak is to be believed, you can make more SP money for your SP game if you play MP in MEA. To be honest I was surprised they bothered with a SP game at all, I was expecting an MMO.
There are no EA titles that do not have MP coming up. Other developers? Sure. Lots of indie, as well as CDPR come to mind.
Where on Palaven did you get that from?
Watch the trailer. The one with the generic n7 someone shooting and jumping on some planet and horribly out of place Johnny Cash song.
Well, seeing as how this discussion has devolved into mere insult slinging, I think it's safe to say we're done here. I am so very tired of arguing with a Talimancer anyway.
so basically, you lost. GG.
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