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[poloboyz93]

In a world where having high stats didnt make everything a cakewalk, what would you guys say are the weakest and strongest classes in NM? In your OWN opinion. I'm curious to hear the weakest links and why, =P

[Kalas Magnus]

strongest=mighty aw

"im an arcane warrior. i could solo the moon"

weakest=assassin

she takes too much damage

[Drasca]

strongest=mighty aw

"im an arcane warrior. i could solo the moon"

weakest=assassin

she takes too much damage

 

ROFL. This better be a troll post, because it is the farthest from the truth on all fronts especially in light of the AW nerfs and rogue stealth buff.

 

For the record, the current strongest in my book are currently:

 

Reaver, Silent Sister, Elementalist, Templar,

 

As they're able to reliably Survive, CC and kill large swaths of enemies at once to varying degrees.

 

The rest are my builds here:

http://forum.bioware...rite-mp-builds/

[Kalas Magnus]

ROFL. This better be a troll post, because it is the farthest from the truth on all fronts especially in light of the AW nerfs and rogue stealth buff.

 

For the record, the current strongest in my book are currently:

 

Reaver, Silent Sister, Elementalist, Templar,

 

As they're able to reliably Survive, CC and kill large swaths of enemies at once to varying degrees.

 

The rest are my builds here:

http://forum.bioware...rite-mp-builds/

yeah. biower hasnt given us that buff. or a rougue silent sister.

 

and no lego?

[Drasca]

yeah. biower hasnt given us that buff. or a rougue silent sister.

 

and no lego?

 

Lego doesn't kill enemies fast solo. Assassin kills fast and survives too, but not large numbers fast enough. They're both middle tier with AW.

 

The most go-to are the ones mentioned above, with Ele just barely squeaking in there with is AoE CC + Damage, and burst Fire mine damage.

 

When the chips are down, these guys carry, and do so quickly. Team builds are another matter.

[JiaJM98]

For me, sister, Ele and reaver are the best characters in NM. BUT BUT BUT if I'm in a good team, then archer is definitely an absolute dps monster! Love how I can plant fall back plans every where to effectively get unlimited potions. You rock until you get too much aggro and a squad full of rage demons start to chase after your tail and get 1-shot dead at the end.

[Yallegro]

ROFL. This better be a troll post, because it is the farthest from the truth on all fronts especially in light of the AW nerfs and rogue stealth buff.

 

For the record, the current strongest in my book are currently:

 

Reaver, Silent Sister, Elementalist, Templar,

 

As they're able to reliably Survive, CC and kill large swaths of enemies at once to varying degrees.

 

The rest are my builds here:

http://forum.bioware...rite-mp-builds/

 

Don't forget keeper with Static Cage and the katari as a tank and knockdown machine

 

Other classes can also carry with the right build and strategy

[kaileena_sands]

ROFL. This better be a troll post, because it is the farthest from the truth on all fronts especially in light of the AW nerfs and rogue stealth buff.

 

For the record, the current strongest in my book are currently:

 

Reaver, Silent Sister, Elementalist, Templar,

 

As they're able to reliably Survive, CC and kill large swaths of enemies at once to varying degrees.

 

The rest are my builds here:

http://forum.bioware...rite-mp-builds/

 

From the point of view of someone with little/average promotions, I agree and I'd just add Izzy. She should be played carefully (as should be the Reaver for someone with not godlike stats) but she's quite good. A lot of mooks can be one-shotted with one bolt/ambush and broadsides can put on the ground lots of annoying enemies (archers, DDs, horrors, shadows, etc.)

[Yallegro]

From the point of view of someone with little/average promotions, I agree and I'd just add Izzy. She should be played carefully (as should be the Reaver for someone with not godlike stats) but she's quite good. A lot of mooks can be one-shotted with one bolt/ambush and broadsides can put on the ground lots of annoying enemies (archers, DDs, horrors, shadows, etc.)

 

Idk, she's better than the others on lower difficulties but on nightmare I'm actually preferring the assassin or alchemist.

 

To get her up to speed I'd need to use Swashbuckle which is high-risk or get a lot of use out of ranged attacks with Looked like it Hurt which requires good cunning.

 

Another skill that's highly effective on NM is tier 2 Blinding Shot

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

AW can't even generate consistent or if any aggro for the team, and barrier hp was reduced. The only reason why anyone would bring him into nm is for pota team combos/cc and dispel abilities. He's more of a mid tier kit for nm now.

[Yallegro]

AW can't even generate consistent or if any aggro for the team, and barrier hp was reduced. The only reason why anyone would bring him into nm is for pota team combos/cc and dispel abilities. He's more of a mid tier kit for nm now.

 

An arcane that uses Chain Lightning and Stonefist while triggering Gathering Storm does a good job just rattling, disrupting enemies make them easier to kill.

 

Very effective long range kit for dealing with shielded warriors

 

He can't do much to draw aggro himself, but if other characters can shake it off by running behind cover etc the arcane will act as a very effective lightning rod for dmg

[Texasmotiv]

My favorites are probably only slightly different than Drasca's despite stat differences.

 

1) SS - BY FAR

2) Lego

3) Templar

4) Reaver

5) Ele

6) Alchemist

7) Keeper

 

These are pretty much the only ones I feel comfortable to bring into NM.

I would put the AW lower due to the fact that if something is immune to lightning you are pretty gimped. That and SB is weak for damage.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

An arcane that uses Chain Lightning and Stonefist while triggering Gathering Storm does a good job just rattling, disrupting enemies make them easier to kill.
 
Very effective long range kit for dealing with shielded warriors
 
He can't do much to draw aggro himself, but if other characters can shake it off by running behind cover etc the arcane will act as a very effective lightning rod for dmg

Lightning becomes negated due to factions having elemental resistance (pride demons, despair, spell binders, mages, etc) it just so happens shield bearers are weak to it.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

My favorites are probably only slightly different than Drasca's despite stat differences.
 
1) SS - BY FAR
2) Lego
3) Templar
4) Reaver
5) Ele
6) Alchemist
7) Keeper
 
These are pretty much the only ones I feel comfortable to bring into NM.
I would put the AW lower due to the fact that if something is immune to lightning you are pretty gimped. That and SB is weak for damage.

Warriors are the top tier classes now in nm/hb....

[Carbon_Bishop]

Lego doesn't kill enemies fast solo. Assassin kills fast and survives too, but not large numbers fast enough. They're both middle tier with AW.

 

The most go-to are the ones mentioned above, with Ele just barely squeaking in there with is AoE CC + Damage, and burst Fire mine damage.

 

When the chips are down, these guys carry, and do so quickly. Team builds are another matter.

 

Nightmare is about not dying, and the Legionnaire does that better than anyone.   And To the Death will kill solo enemies quite quickly thank you.

 

Agree with Kalas that Assassin is in the bottom tier, along with Avvar, and Necromancer.  Any character is Nightmare viable though with the right gear, skill level, and promotes.

[ottffsse]

Meh... Are we doing lists or judging expertise of players and how well theoretically a kit can be played and its resulting efficiency and what they do for a general game/team?

Anyways then:

1 Reaver 2 Ele 3 Silent Sister
4 keeper, Templar* *=really high promotions
5-7 Assassin (yeah who's gonna take out those darkspawn bolters?) , Lego, Archer
8-12 Katari, Necro, AW, Templar*2 (average promotions) , Dualist
The rest: Can be among 8-11 or good if played well and or by promoted players.

[Drasca]

Don't forget keeper with Static Cage and the katari as a tank and knockdown machine

 

Other classes can also carry with the right build and strategy

 

Don't kill fast enough. They're mid-tier for NM.

 

Nightmare is about not dying, and the Legionnaire does that better than anyone.   And To the Death will kill solo enemies quite quickly thank you.

 

Agree with Kalas that Assassin is in the bottom tier, along with Avvar, and Necromancer.  Any character is Nightmare viable though with the right gear, skill level, and promotes

 

Nope, Lego doesn't kill fast enough. Solo enemies isn't enough. Its killing large swaths i.e. large numbers of enemies at once. Survival isn't an issue, because you shouldn't be in NM if you can't survive. Assassin is actually slightly better than Lego due to increased killing speed.  Again, if you can't survive, you shouldn't be there by yourself (being carried by friends is a completely different story of course).

 

The classes/kits I've mentioned can do it with low promotions and / or gear.

 

Again, team builds are seperate from solo. The question asks for individual kits, not team kits. I can do things like Hunter and do just fine due to team builds that involve spawn camping.

[Snakebite]

Nope, Lego doesn't kill fast enough. Solo enemies isn't enough. Its killing large swaths i.e. large numbers of enemies at once. Survival isn't an issue, because you shouldn't be in NM if you can't survive. Assassin is actually slightly better than Lego due to increased killing speed.  Again, if you can't survive, you shouldn't be there by yourself (being carried by friends is a completely different story of course).

 

ROFL. This better be a troll post, because it is the farthest from the truth on all fronts especially in light of the Lunge and Slash buff.  Lego kills large swaths plenty fast, all while keeping aggro off his teammates.  I mean, sure, he can't kill huge groups as quickly as a Reaver or a Silent Sister, but what else can?

[Carbon_Bishop]

Don't kill fast enough. They're mid-tier for NM.

 

 

Nope, Lego doesn't kill fast enough. Solo enemies isn't enough. Its killing large swaths i.e. large numbers of enemies at once. Survival isn't an issue, because you shouldn't be in NM if you can't survive. Assassin is actually slightly better than Lego due to increased killing speed.  Again, if you can't survive, you shouldn't be there by yourself (being carried by friends is a completely different story of course).

 

The classes/kits I've mentioned can do it with low promotions and / or gear.

 

Again, team builds are seperate from solo. The question asks for individual kits, not team kits. I can do things like Hunter and do just fine due to team builds that involve spawn camping.

 

 

Agree to disagree then.    The OP said nothing about soloing the level only vs full team builds, not sure where you got that from.  Your "survival isn't in an issue" straw man sure is cute though.

[Proto]

Nope, Lego doesn't kill fast enough. Solo enemies isn't enough. Its killing large swaths i.e. large numbers of enemies at once. Survival isn't an issue, because you shouldn't be in NM if you can't survive. Assassin is actually slightly better than Lego due to increased killing speed.  Again, if you can't survive, you shouldn't be there by yourself (being carried by friends is a completely different story of course).

 

Have you tried out L&S with the enhanced ring + wintersbreath(berserk)? Sight to behold.

[Yallegro]

Lightning becomes negated due to factions having elemental resistance (pride demons, despair, spell binders, mages, etc) it just so happens shield bearers are weak to it.

Its good you point that out. You need to take out those mage etc a bit faster. A good enough reason for me to keep Spirit Blade around for handling RT Horrors (+50% dmg) Pride Demon (Guard Stripping) and the occasional barrier mage if it can stand stil. Because all those barrier spammers of the venatori only block one element per stage this isn't going to be a huge problem. (Electric is on 3th stage)(Maybe sometimes on 2th as well?)

 

Don't kill fast enough. They're mid-tier for NM.

 

 

Nope, Lego doesn't kill fast enough. Solo enemies isn't enough. Its killing large swaths i.e. large numbers of enemies at once. Survival isn't an issue, because you shouldn't be in NM if you can't survive. Assassin is actually slightly better than Lego due to increased killing speed.  Again, if you can't survive, you shouldn't be there by yourself (being carried by friends is a completely different story of course).

 

The classes/kits I've mentioned can do it with low promotions and / or gear.

 

Again, team builds are seperate from solo. The question asks for individual kits, not team kits. I can do things like Hunter and do just fine due to team builds that involve spawn camping.

 

Oh GTFO, Static Cage does tons of dmg and you get strong long lasting barriers.

 

 

Have you tried out L&S with the enhanced ring + wintersbreath(berserk)? Sight to behold.

 

Oh yes Wintersbreath 10% dmg, wow

To be honest LS is very disappointing on nightmare, tried an offense lego once on NM. Even though I survived just fine I'm never doing that again, better just get a katari or arcane, way more dmg.

[Drasca]

Oh GTFO, Static Cage does tons of dmg and you get strong long lasting barriers.

 

ROFL 'tons of damage' rofl. Yep, this is why you're in the minor leagues.

[Proto]

Oh yes Wintersbreath 10% dmg, wow

To be honest LS is very disappointing on nightmare, tried an offense lego once on NM. Even though I survived just fine I'm never doing that again, better just get a katari or arcane, way more dmg.

 

You're looking at the old version of Wintersbreath. Its been changed, like most the other berserk items.

 

I don't consider using lunge & slash an "offensive lego" its just a regular lego that can also dish out decent DPS. All you need is L&S with Counterstrike + Walking Fortress. Play it like a tank,  move quickly across the battle field by spamming an ability that hits for 7-12K damage? Its pretty sweet. 

 

Surviving with Berserk can be a problem, but you don't need to use the shield for the play-style to be effective.

 

PS. That entire quote is just bonkers. 

[Beerfish]

The Lego can be a bit frustrating killing rate wise no doubt about it but in theory his tanking should allow some of the more offensive but squishy guys to do their thing.  Also the place that games go into the toilet is when one team member goes down, having a tank be able to do a rez and still be in good shape is a big help.

[Proto]

Well my winters breath still says 10% and you're not going to get 12K on a lego in nightmare

 

My L&S hit quite regularly for 5-6K per swing on low armor targets. The ability has two swings = 12K. This happens on NM. Like I mentioned, I've been using the enhanced ring as well as the Wintersbreath shield. Second ring is a SCD(Superb Crit Damage). I use the Hakkon sword.

 

 

you sound like you're talking about threatening...

 

This statement is so familiar. Reminds me of what happened within the link in my signature.

 

 

what are your stats btw?

 

Probably quite a bit higher than yours. 160ish/140ish/160ish.

 

 

The idea that people look to your threads for information is disturbing, you're an incorrigible idiot.

 

I just couldn't help myself, I'm sorry.