Wow, didn't expect this to turn into an argument. My usual "quick questions" typically just get a response or 2 answering the question and then the topic dies off (which I don't mind since it fulfilled its purpose). Weird.
Well it's a Vivienne topic , she's a character with strong and somewhat controversial opinions...so yeah.(+ the "darling" and well if she doesn't agree with you , she's irritating)
Same happens with any Sera topic. 
At least Sera is meant to possibly come off as crude. I dislike her character for it (the same reason, I disliked Oghren), but I cannot say that the writing of her wasn't a success.
I had expected to hate Vivienne for being oppossed everything my character stand for ideologically. Not because I disliked her writing. (I am in fact inclined to like political mastermind's, so I had sort of execpted the love to hate her.)
Bioware needs to learn that it is allright for a character, evne an intellegent or a truly smart, one to lose arguments. In fact it will properly make them seem smarter, because players are not banging their head into their tables over the weird, weird conversations options we get.
I dislike how the writers forced my character to act artificially helpless just so they could make Vivienne look some clever mastermind. They suck at writing stuff that is actually clever.
Vivienne has people take stuff from your room? Sounds like treason
Don't get me wrong, I'm not actually bothered by her moving the Inquisitors furniture around. Until that scene plays I'd be hard pressed to know if I had any furniture to move. I was just giving an answer to the topic creator.
... but she is like Oprah... no, she is Oprah. who can hate her?
It owuld be consequential if anyone cared for that old hag, but really, no one does. She's a spoiled girl with a haughty attitude and easiness to criticize everything cool.
Since I can be a mage and Knight Enchanter too, then she's just like an additional decor for Skyhold. Last time I didn't even take the time to recruit her since she's pretty much inconsequential in the game.
Vivienne is, at her core, a Machiavellian. She is a master manipulator.
Her goal is simple: To gain as much political power as she can for herself.
When she attempts to parrot the "mages must be corralled into a tower and be supervised" line, she does this so that she can be the head of the mages and be in court.
However, when she realizes that she can become Divine, which is done when the Inquisitor says something along the lines of "mages should be included in the Chantry hierarchy, she drops all attempts of trying to be First Enchanter or Grand Enchanter or Mage Courtier and goes for the position of Divine.
Low approval Vivienne is a Vivienne who is failing at her manipulations to gain more political power, which is her ulterior goal of joining the Inquisition in the first place.
She does want to restore order but notice she presents herself as the "leader of the loyal mages of Thedas", as if that actually has any real meaning.
As such, she resorts to desperate passive aggressive actions to try to unseat the Inquisitor.
Think of the movers as a hail Mary attempt of her to get some form of victory when she is losing badly.
This scenario...well, sucks. It was a disservice to all involved. Seriously? Vivienne came off as childish, and the Inquisitor came off as ineffective...both hallmarks of poor writing. Vivienne SHOULD have done something that actually showed off her skills as a manipulator. It shouldn't have been one scene...if she wanted to be noticed (which it seems she did, and to be taken seriously) she should have brought in someone else to mess with the Inquisitor. Bring in an Orlesian rival who would get insulted or upset at the Inquisitor, challenge to a duel. THEN when it was all said and done, she hints that things happen like that when you fall out of favor. She should NEVER have been direct. Why? She was IN the Inquisitors home. At best, she gets kicked OUT. At worst, she gets beheaded. There are a FEW Inquisitors that are known for lopping the head off of more than a few who displeased them.
Yes, the Inquisitor should have been able to kick her out. If they were REALLY mad, exile her. Yes, you could. You could exile others. It is a petty act, but so was moving the furniture. OR, as was suggested, move HER furniture. Off the battlements. And then SMILE and WAVE as they fell to the valley floor. Seriously, when you are in the home of a major political, and military POWER, you DON'T go out of your way to irritate them. Vivienne isn't an idiot, she would have known that.
Therefore, I see this as a flub. It should have been done better.
It's pointless. All it does is make Vivienne look annoying and childish. Her attempt at educating the Inquisitor about the limits of his power falls apart when your deciding whose going to be the ruler of Orlais and whether the Wardens are going to be exiled or not.
In fact, the whole prank could make the Inquisitor feel even more arrogant and full of themselves.
"Ha! This so called master of the Game and her followers can do nothing but rearrange my furniture. How terrifying. Sera could do better."
@Darkstarr.
I can't even see it as a flob, because the whole of Vivienne's character is written like that. Her personal quest is badly written too. Honestly, why is a master manipulator going out of her way to sound suspicious. I know people claim it is approval gated (I honestly haven't been able to confirm that), but even for an Inqusitor she claims to trust surely the best thing to say would be "It's medicine for my sick lover". Seriously. And then there is wicked eye and wicked hearts. Sera have a special quest in there (However short). Vivienne... does nothing.
Anyway back to the topic, since bioware apperently is insistant that we should play her game and care deeply for our funiture (despite possible being Carta, dalish, or a mercenery vashot.) then they should at least allow us to play. Where is our option to be passive agrressive? I wish we could have gotten the option off... (On top of my head)
(Confused sign) Be honestly confused as to what she is trying to say, because I still have trouble getting it and I think that it is unrealistic to expect say the mercenary and the dalish to know how to play the game. (You can get this scene right after coming to skyhold, you know.)
(Angry sign) Throw a petty hissy fit about it.
(Stoic sign) Say that you don't care. It is still funiture.
(Nice sign... maybe nobolity knowlegde) "Promote" Vivienne to interior decorater of the Castle. (This could be passive agrressive on the Inqustitors part or just a sincere suggestion, depending on how good they are at playing the game).
(Cross/attack sign/thumps Down) Throw Vivienne out of the Castle. I know there is the Whole divine selection, but she is optional so it can run without her in the running anyway. .
"Ha! This so called master of the Game and her followers can do nothing but rearrange my furniture. How terrifying. Sera could do better."
(Confused sign) Be honestly confused as to what she is trying to say, because I still have trouble getting it and I think that it is unrealistic to expect say the mercenary and the dalish to know how to play the game. (You can get this scene right after coming to skyhold, you know.)
(Angry sign) Throw a petty hissy fit about it.
(Stoic sign) Say that you don't care. It is still funiture.
(Nice sign... maybe nobolity knowlegde) "Promote" Vivienne to interior decorater of the Castle. (This could be passive agrressive on the Inqustitors part or just a sincere suggestion, depending on how good they are at playing the game).
(Cross/attack sign/thumps Down) Throw Vivienne out of the Castle. I know there is the Whole divine selection, but she is optional so it can run without her in the running anyway. .
These would be awesome. 
And you know, I realized, this is the response of a 4 year old. Yes, it is. I have a niece who did something similar. 
Sera DOES better if you are on good terms. You hear about it all the time too! She's a professional troll.
EDIT: I hate the spell correct at times... 
I guess next DLC will show us how powerful/special your INQUISITORs are to outplay a well-known powerful mage. With a magic consuming them and no more fade rifts to close, I wonder what use are they to the Inquisition. I thought Ironbull demostrated to the herald part of the Inquisition armies that doesn't even know who the real Inquisitor or leader is in this organization.
Well it looks like she succeeded, she pissed you off enough to start this thread - and from the look of it - many other people too.
The point she was making is that you don´t have control over her, so if your interests don´t align, she is going to do whatever she wants instead.Moving the furniture around is just a light-hearted way of warning the inquisitor that she isn´t going to back down and do whatever the PC commands. Like in the Game, she is doing something frivolous (changing furniture) but that has a deeper meaning: i´m not putting up with your failures, do better or i´ll get you a replacement.
I don´t see the problem with the scene, and you do have the option of telling her "WTF what´s the point of this?".
I don't think people are annoyed at what she actually did. What is annoying is that the game forces the Inq to react to it when, as has been pointed out many times, the vast majority wouldn't care.
The option to effectively say "Okay, great. Carry on" wouldn't have gone amiss. Or to actually, as has been said, play her game. Try and outwit her. That in itself would have been fun and interesting. Losing by default isn't very fun.
I don't think people are annoyed at what she actually did. What is annoying is that the game forces the Inq to react to it when, as has been pointed out many times, the vast majority wouldn't care.
The option to effectively say "Okay, great. Carry on" wouldn't have gone amiss. Or to actually, as has been said, play her game. Try and outwit her. That in itself would have been fun and interesting. Losing by default isn't very fun.
This is exactly the problem. It reminds me of DA2 when you return from the deep roads to find bethany being taken by templars and just let them. There SHOULD have been an option to fight be beaten near to death and wake up with her healing you and telling you to let it go. To not give you and option to respond the way you feel you should have is bad.
In this there should have been an option to ignore what she did like it did not matter (angering her further), try to outwit her (success depending on various issues like race, arcane knowledge, etc.) or throw her out. I hate when NPC plot armor is thrown in your face like that, find a better way to do it!
Guess she's bored out of her mind if she moves the furniture around since i never take her anywhere.
How does it feel being recruited just for a fancy chair?
Wait, I'm pissed? I merely ask if the game is affected, and you somehow take that as me being pissed? To be blunt... Are you stupid? I mean, that's a rather big leap in logic there.Well it looks like she succeeded, she pissed you off enough to start this thread - and from the look of it - many other people too.
The point she was making is that you don´t have control over her, so if your interests don´t align, she is going to do whatever she wants instead.Moving the furniture around is just a light-hearted way of warning the inquisitor that she isn´t going to back down and do whatever the PC commands. Like in the Game, she is doing something frivolous (changing furniture) but that has a deeper meaning: i´m not putting up with your failures, do better or i´ll get you a replacement.
I don´t see the problem with the scene, and you do have the option of telling her "WTF what´s the point of this?".
Well, she would've pissed ME off.
To the point where a proper good burst might be in order.
That's about it.
Like with most companions in DAI, there is no consequence for that scene.
@Mykel54
You point fall apart when...
A. She doesn't do whatever she wants. She is in fact very, much putting up with my character's "failures" and does nada about it. She doesn't even try to position herself in the Inqusition and only moves funiture. In which case it comes of as a four year old (as darkstar said) crossing her arms and shouting your are not the boss of me. When in fact the Inqusitor is the boss. Don't forget that. The Inqusitor is the boss of everyone in that castle. In fact what is most likely to happen is that the inqustitor simply hires someone to move the funiture back, if they care about it.
B. It isn't written to come across like that. I agree it is the point bioware was trying to make, but it is not written like that. Because we can not play the game back and not all players are interested in the game, it mostly just comes off as an *WTF is going one here to the players. Vivienne comes across as petty not machivillian, our inqusitor comes off as weak willed and no one is a winner, because the orlesian game never kicked off to start with.
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