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[The Hierophant]

Nope not seeing it. Just the typical ice queen archetype.

[Super Drone]

If anything, she acts stereotypically "Waspy" (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant). Wasps are stereotyped as being snooty and condescending, but masking it all in an air of civility and propriety.

[Shienis]

In the end, though, we are only having this discussion because she is black. Do we see Meredith as a stereotype for white people as oppressive, or do we just accept that this character happens to have ethnically anglican features and happens to have this role in the story?

 

More importantly, why do we even lend any legitimacy to racial stereotypes rather than accept that anyone can be anything?

 

Theoretically... blonde hair, blue eyes, militant... yep, typical Aryan... The thing with "stereotypes" is, that if you try hard enough, you will find one.

 

 

And suddenly I wish they had put there a pack of irredeemable thieves led by a guy called Fero Kokoter, so I also could get my portion of immediately recognised stereotype, which I could laugh at for days. 

[Andreas Amell]

If anything, she acts stereotypically "Waspy" (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant). Wasps are stereotyped as being snooty and condescending, but masking it all in an air of civility and propriety.

How does that compare to Christine Adams' performance in Pushing Daisies? She played a dominant, snooty and upper class woman. 

 

Or more specifically, what is the stereotype of a black woman living in French society? 

[WashclothRepairMan]

She's a complete ****** and I hope she dies. Black, white, asian makes no difference.

[Nefla]

Vivienne is the best and the rest of you guys are all...drips?

[introverted_assassin]

She can be sassy I guess...

and this means what exactly?

[dragonflight288]

As a carpet cleaner, I go into people's homes of all walks of life. 

 

Vivienne is the stereotypical upper-class lady who looks down on everyone who cannot benefit her personally and politician.

[Girtuoklis]

She didn't stole inquisitors bike/horse, dont constantly accusing everyone for being racist, dont live in a ghetto (probably), dont talk like this "why you gotta look at me like that? Cuz' I'm a ******? HUH". So no, she is not typical ******.

[Nefla]

She didn't stole inquisitors bike/horse, dont constantly accusing everyone for being racist, dont live in a ghetto (probably), dont talk like this "why you gotta look at me like that? Cuz' I'm a ******? HUH". So no, she is not typical ******.

[elkston]

Vivienne will always be key member of my party because of her good looks and awesome skills.

 

I  didn't like the writers emphasis on her high-society mannerisms and sneerings.  Her "...darling..." ,etc sounds so fake and it gets old.   I get the feeling the writers over-compensated here -- trying desperately to make her character something you wouldn't typically associate with a black person.

 

I do think her allegiance to the Chantry feels a bit "House ******-ish", but I liked having that strong conflict/opinion in the story.  

 

I also couldn't help but notice that her "love interest" was a white man -- which again demonstrates a certain blindspot (and that's putting it in a tactful way) white writers have for creating black couples.  I would have given them a pass on this if Vivienne could be romanced, but they sealed that off quick.

 

Also, they couldn't find a black woman to be her voice actress? 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Her love interest is a white person because Orlesians are white and her family isn't from out these parts. 

[Saucy_Jack]

Well I dunno about you, but when I hear the House of Lords Queen's English that Merideth uses, it just screams out "EVIL!!!" because here in the states, we hear that and we know instinctively that anyone who talks like that is irredeemably wicked. 

 

Also it's part of real life psychology that the human brain processes certain stimuli and compares it to past experiences, both learned and societal.  So I'd venture to say that so long as the human brain and human society have prejudice and racial/cultural stereotypes, we as players will NEVER fully accept that anyone can be anything.  Specific nudges would need to be implemented to make a player accept an individual exception, such as language and demeanor changes, attractiveness and 'uncanny valley' style alterations to imply more 'cute' than realistic features.

 

Lol you can sometimes  tell which guest star is the villain in US TV shows based on how much they sound like a posh Brit. "Oh he sounds like he went to Eton. He's definitely the killer"  l, as a Brit, find it hilarious.

 

On topic: To me she is more like the stereotypical  lady of the manor. The sort of character you'd see in a Agatha Christie murder mystery. The sort that dresses in her best jewels for dinner.

[Catche Jagger]

I liked Vivienne.

[rpgfan321]

I thought she was a well written/well defined character, and fabulous.

[ProphetOfDoom666]

How does a stereotypical black person acts like?...And a stereotypical asian or european person?....what nonsense she is snobbish and a elitist but she also has a good heart.She is one of my favourite DAI characters besides Dorian and Varric.Some people have problems hehe.

[introverted_assassin]

She didn't stole inquisitors bike/horse, dont constantly accusing everyone for being racist, dont live in a ghetto (probably), dont talk like this "why you gotta look at me like that? Cuz' I'm a ******? HUH". So no, she is not typical ******.

the hell?

[ComedicSociopathy]

Vivienne is more of a stereotypical Orlesian then a stereotypical Black person. 

[Broganisity]

Vivienne is more of a stereotypical Orlesian then a stereotypical Black person. 

Basically? This.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I don't think she was a stereotypical black person...she was a stereotypical cruel, stuck up person. I could not stand her because of her mean, holier than thou, attitude. 

 

Oddly enough I lover her BECAUSE of her mean, holier than thou, attitude. I suppose my inquisitor was a bit of a jerk. lol

[Boost32]

Oddly enough I lover her BECAUSE of her mean, holier than thou, attitude. I suppose my inquisitor was a bit of a jerk. lol

But if she likes the Inquisitor, she will never be mean or have the holier than thou attitude with him/her.
In fact she is very caring with the Inquisitor.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

But if she likes the Inquisitor, she will never be mean or have the holier than thou attitude with him/her.
In fact she is very caring with the Inquisitor.

This is very true. Once she warms up to the party she typically fills a big sister role. That said, I love it when she is snooty. Such fantastic put downs. Its awe inspiring.

[Erstus]

Haha, no. I actually found her to be one of my favorite companions in the game

[Rekkampum]

No, and I've seen my share of stereotypes during my studies at my alma mater.

[Bleachrude]

One point I'd like to make (and something I think that gets ignored....)

 

Vivenne herself points out being a mage is what gave her the opportunity to become Bastian's mistress. She points out that if she hadn't been a mage, she wasn't meeting Bastian to begin with, much less become his mistress.

 

People have forgotten that Bastian was a DUKE which is one step below the monarch themselves (Hell, isn't Bastian tangentially related to Celene and Gaspard?). No way, no how was any "commoner" being married to a duke. At that level of nobility, who you marry is tied DIRECTLY to status - at the least Bastian's wife would've been a Baron(ness) (Marquis, Count and Viscount exist above Baron).

 

Sure a knight could marry a commoner (and even here, this would get people to do a Spockbrow) but a Duke? NOT A CHANCE.