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[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Yes she's a stereotype.

1.Angry Black Woman/Sapphire- She's always hostile with anyone she encounters for example when Varric is making a friendly conversation about her not being @ The Conclave tells her that she's lucky she didn't came and she responded only an imbecile calls it lucky in a hostile tone. She displays anger almost on every conversation and always hostile. She always have a nasty additude towards anyone. Why Vivienne has to have a "black woman bad additude"? That strikes me as odd.

2.Black Mistress- She's someone's mistress which means that she's nobody but a side chick that a man can use whatever he wants, which describes that she feels like she's worthless and sells herself to a white man to feel like she's important and feels like she's worthy simply because she's insecure about herself. Which roughly translated that black women are nothing but objects not people.

This is some sad ****.

[lynroy]

[In Exile]

What bugs me about Sera, despite really liking her when I first met her in the game, is how much she is willfully ignorant. She metaphorically puts her fingers in her ears and goes "la la la" on ANY topic that challenges her beliefs or makes her uncomfortable. And she doesn't even try to stand on any moral ground at all for her reasons, as she lives in the moment. She simply outright rejects things that challenge her beliefs or makes her uncomfortable, and dismisses any issues as the problem lying in other people and not in herself. 

 

It's a child-like and often childish view of the world that she maintains that drive players the wrong way about her. 

 

I still like Sera, but it irks me that she has no real desire or inclination to grow as a person.

 

But she's not willfully ignorant. I think people really misunderstand her values, because of the quirky ways she chooses to express herself. For example, she's one of the few characters who actually confronts the insanity of what the Inquisition has experienced, and what it might mean, on a metaphysical, theological, and philosophical level. Except that she doesn't pretend that she has an answer for it (as Cassandra might), and just freaks out at the prospect, and so prefers to say that she might as well just start from the premise that things aren't what they mean. That's a legitimate intellectual position.

 

I'm not really sure what concerns you think she ignores - she doesn't. She's very adamant. I think people expect their views to always be persuasive. But sometimes they aren't. Sera is remarkably consistent in her values, and in her views. 

Sera doesn't need to grow as a person, because she's a grown and insightful person. It's just a clash of values. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

Did someone really feel the need to dig up a thread from five months ago just to restart this argument?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Did someone really feel the need to dig up a thread from five months ago just to restart this argument?

Apparently yes

Plus, it's the same guy who complained the Bioware is racist because he couldn't live out his fetish

[Steelcan]

N7Phantom, youve got me on the same side as superdarkone2

 

Sind sie glücklich?

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

N7Phantom, youve got me on the same side as superdarkone2
 
Sind sie glücklich?

Why should I be happy?

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Did someone really feel the need to dig up a thread from five months ago just to restart this argument?

I just found this thread @ Google.

[Steelcan]

Why should I be happy?

I can only guess that you're going around doing this for some sadistic pleasure

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I can only guess that you're going around doing this for some sadistic pleasure

Ok I'm really confused. How is it me telling the truth that Vivienne is a black character stereotype makes you think I seek sadistic pleasure?

[Xilizhra]

But she's not willfully ignorant. I think people really misunderstand her values, because of the quirky ways she chooses to express herself. For example, she's one of the few characters who actually confronts the insanity of what the Inquisition has experienced, and what it might mean, on a metaphysical, theological, and philosophical level. Except that she doesn't pretend that she has an answer for it (as Cassandra might), and just freaks out at the prospect, and so prefers to say that she might as well just start from the premise that things aren't what they mean. That's a legitimate intellectual position.

 

I'm not really sure what concerns you think she ignores - she doesn't. She's very adamant. I think people expect their views to always be persuasive. But sometimes they aren't. Sera is remarkably consistent in her values, and in her views. 

Sera doesn't need to grow as a person, because she's a grown and insightful person. It's just a clash of values. 

Insightful, yes. Grown, no. I don't think it's an insult to Sera to say that she's immature; as far as I can tell, she's still a teenager (pre-Trespasser, anyway). It's just a fact, especially since she does mature in Trespasser.

[Donk]

Oh lovely, and to make the wankfest complete we have morally superior "intellectual" novels about Sera and how immature she is.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

But she's not willfully ignorant. I think people really misunderstand her values, because of the quirky ways she chooses to express herself. For example, she's one of the few characters who actually confronts the insanity of what the Inquisition has experienced, and what it might mean, on a metaphysical, theological, and philosophical level. Except that she doesn't pretend that she has an answer for it (as Cassandra might), and just freaks out at the prospect, and so prefers to say that she might as well just start from the premise that things aren't what they mean. That's a legitimate intellectual position.

 

I'm not really sure what concerns you think she ignores - she doesn't. She's very adamant. I think people expect their views to always be persuasive. But sometimes they aren't. Sera is remarkably consistent in her values, and in her views. 

Sera doesn't need to grow as a person, because she's a grown and insightful person. It's just a clash of values. 

 

I don't mind Sera but I do have to ask how does Sera confront the things the Inquisition has experienced on any meaningful level ?

[straykat]

I don't think she was stereotypical really. She reminded me a lot of Morrigan. Just on the Templar/Loyalist end. Both Ice Queens. Both self-made and resourceful too. It's no wonder that Celene employed them both. She probably played them off each other.

[lynroy]

Did someone really feel the need to dig up a thread from five months ago just to restart this argument?

The kid is known for digging up old threads.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The kid is known for digging up old threads.

Modifié par N7Phantom, 01 avril 2016 - 06:37 .

[Donk]

I don't think she was stereotypical really. She reminded me a lot of Morrigan. Just on the Templar/Loyalist end. Both Ice Queens. Both self-made and resourceful too. It's no wonder that Celene employed them both. She probably played them off each other.

 

Yeah, but the problem is her skin colour, and no, that isn't a racist comment from me -- but ironically, the argument from those who are accusing her of such. It's the same attitude as those who go on about Sera and how she's a "false" representation of a lesbian character, additionally they made the same complaint about Celene and Briala which I won't go into because then it will become one of those dread TL;DR's.

[Han Shot First]

No.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

But what I do love about her that she got class and she don't take **** from no one, the way she talk, the way she move, how she's a strong black woman that she stuck to her convictions no matter what, and that's something that I love about strong black women in general, and to top it off she's an intelligent black woman. She's bad. It's a shame that she's a stereotype and IDK what BW was thinking.

[GoldenGail3]

Ugh.

[Han Shot First]

There was literally nothing stereotypical about Vivienne.

[Master Warder Z_]

There was literally nothing stereotypical about Vivienne.

She was a snobby mage

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

There was literally nothing stereotypical about Vivienne.

Sorry to break it up to ya but she is. Keep on playing it and you see why she's a stereotype.

[Han Shot First]

Sorry to break it up to ya but she is. Keep on playing it and you see why she's a stereotype.

 

[AresKeith]

No.