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[Ariella]

I do agree that the taint and the darkspawn should be explored more in depth at some point.  It's a section of the lore that's been ignored for the most part.

I think they haven't directly touched on the darkspawn in this fashion because the tie to the Black City. Once we know what really happened there and if Corypheus was right about the taint being there before (I believe it, but I'm trying to be opened minded just in case) how it got tainted is a central plot point, in my opinion.

I think, and this is just me, the Taint is related to Solas, Mythal etc. Hopefully we'll see something on this in the next dlc.

But if the Qunari end up being the Sylvari of Dragon Age I'm gonna be pissed.

[renfrees]

Hawke might have had the ability to keep a slave, but if you want to suggest he (or she) was busy porking a little elven girl then you'll want to take that particular set of issues somewhere else. They really don't belong here. There's plenty of violence and sex to go around in these games, I think we can do with there being a baseline level of decency. Forced sexual anything definitely crosses that.

 

I do agree with the poster who said Val Royeaux would have been a more likely place for a brothel. At least, one would suppose so. It'd probably cost you a bit in coin, because I don't imagine them being anything but high-level courtesans in that case.

 

Actually, Orana ends up as a prostitute if you don't hire her:

 

[TreeHuggerHannah]

Eh, a brothel in Skyhold isn't something I'd be interested in. I don't think it would add enough to the story to be worth the resources that would have to be diverted into making it happen. (Other issues aside, how many stories would really require a brothel specifically and couldn't just be played out in the tavern we already have?) I'd rather see development time be used for content with broader appeal. 

 

I also think it's a little different than having a brothel in previous games because Skyhold is so much the Inquisitor's domain to direct. A character who wasn't offended in the slightest by the presence of a brothel in their town might still be uncomfortable about essentially becoming the proprietor of one.

[9TailsFox]

Eh, a brothel in Skyhold isn't something I'd be interested in. I don't think it would add enough to the story to be worth the resources that would have to be diverted into making it happen. (Other issues aside, how many stories would really require a brothel specifically and couldn't just be played out in the tavern we already have?) I'd rather see development time be used for content with broader appeal. 

 

I also think it's a little different than having a brothel in previous games because Skyhold is so much the Inquisitor's domain to direct. A character who wasn't offended in the slightest by the presence of a brothel in their town might still be uncomfortable about essentially becoming the proprietor of one.

I offended hawing garden in my skyhold, no one care about my feelings.

[9TailsFox]

Kieran has the soul of an Old God, which originated from an archdemon.  Archdemons are tainted Old Gods, and the only part of Kieran that is from the archdemon is, as I said, its soul.  The taint corrupts to body and mind, not the soul.  It's a physical corruption.

 

And Old Gods are dragons like Flemeth is a mage.  Kieran is a very, very poor example, at best.

 

 

Cory is a darkspawn, not a ghoul.  A ghoul is a human/elf/dwarf/qunari who has been tainted beyond recovery, while a darkspawn is a separate being.  Grey Wardens are still tainted, it's just that their corruption progresses slower.  The Wardens, despite the fact that they are the most knowledgeable group on the surface regarding darkspawn and the taint, know of no cure to the taint.  iirc, Fiona being cured was never cleared up in terms of how it happened, though I could be wrong about that.

 

As for turning a darkspawn into a human, that's about a likely as changing a dwarf into a qunari.  All we saw in Awakening was that the darkspawn could gain consciousness through a reverse version of the Joining.  Despite possessing independent thought, they are still darkspawn.  There's no 'cure' for being a darkspawn since being a darkspawn isn't a disease.

 

Regarding Avernus; iirc, he studied both advanced blood magic and the effects of the darkspawn taint within Wardens, using a combination of the two to create his concoction and extend his own lifespan for several hundred years.

 

I do agree that the taint and the darkspawn should be explored more in depth at some point.  It's a section of the lore that's been ignored for the most part.

Kieran part was joke  Changing dwarf into human. I you sure it's impossible. You just need demon and a lot of blood he will tell you when to stop bleeding. Mythal is elf who is human so.

 

Cory not a "real" darkspawn. (He pretty much Emissary with his own mind) He is first ghoul, he not born darkspawn he born normal human and was infected by blight. Blight is disease where is not separate human/elfs/qunari.... and darkspawns, we have hurlocks human darkspawn, shriek elfs... Darkspawn are "humans" who born already infected. And how many fully transformed ghouls we saw? Maybe ghouls eventually become "real" darkspawn, probably not.

 

You say. It's a physical corruption, This I agree. Blight is just disease, and disease can be cured flesh can be easy moulded. We have shapshifters Flemeth/Morrigan. Qunari are probably elfs who was changed using dragon blood. So curing blight is not impossible, but seeing Bioware record, we will find cure so easy, with most stupidest way possible,I hope I am wrong.

[giveamanafish...]

Eh, a brothel in Skyhold isn't something I'd be interested in. I don't think it would add enough to the story to be worth the resources that would have to be diverted into making it happen. (Other issues aside, how many stories would really require a brothel specifically and couldn't just be played out in the tavern we already have?) I'd rather see development time be used for content with broader appeal. 

 

I also think it's a little different than having a brothel in previous games because Skyhold is so much the Inquisitor's domain to direct. A character who wasn't offended in the slightest by the presence of a brothel in their town might still be uncomfortable about essentially becoming the proprietor of one.

 

Could have been a story issue. Rape or the use of prostitutes has been part of the history of war to the present and likely beyond. Michael J. Fox starred in a movie based on a true story out of Vietnam involving the rape and murder of a local peasant girl. The Russians as they entered Berlin in WWII were famous for raping German women and then offering them chocolate -- trying to be nice I guess. Two or three GIs in Okinawa were lynched by the locals after they raped a woman. After their surrender, the Japanese gov't set up brothels for the US soldiers in order to prevent further rape incidents. The use of "comfort women" by the Japanese occupiers in Korea and China is well known.

 

The Inquisition especially as they gained support from the Orlesian Crown and others, gaining official status, could have been put into a situation where they would have to consider setting up entertainment facilities in order to avoid conflict with the locals. May be a missed opportunity just as to the internal debates and conflicts that could have arisen. We didn't have to actually see the brothel.

 

_______

 

On a more serious note. Let me try this again.

 

Inquisitor to Cabot:  "What's the word out there?"

 

Cabot "sigh...mutter mutter...already scheduled...mumble mumble...gonna have to be a hands on operation."

[BronzTrooper]

Kieran part was joke  Changing dwarf into human. I you sure it's impossible. You just need demon and a lot of blood he will tell you when to stop bleeding. Mythal is elf who is human so.

 

I highly, highly, highly doubt that blood magic can do that.  It is powerful, yes, but that doesn't mean it can do anything.

 

We don't really know what Mythal was.  She could've been a spirit, a powerful elven mage, or something else.  She joined to Flemeth in a similar way to how Justice joined to Anders.  Did that make Justice a human?  No, he was still a spirit, but he was bound to Anders.

 

Cory not a "real" darkspawn. (He pretty much Emissary with his own mind) He is first ghoul, he not born darkspawn he born normal human and was infected by blight. Blight is disease where is not separate human/elfs/qunari.... and darkspawns, we have hurlocks human darkspawn, shriek elfs... Darkspawn are "humans" who born already infected. And how many fully transformed ghouls we saw? Maybe ghouls eventually become "real" darkspawn, probably not.

 

And yet he is one of the very first darkspawn, and emissaries are still darkspawn.  Yes, he was born human, but he and the other magisters were changed into darkspawn when they entered the Black City.  All we really know about the Black City is what is stated in Chantry lore and what Cory himself said, but even then, there's no guarantee any of it is 100% accurate.

 

As for the darkspawn, they are born as they are via broodmothers, which originate as female humans, dwarves, elves, or qunari.  Broodmothers are formed in the span of a couple weeks, while ghouls stay ghouls for years until the corruption consumes them, or they die in combat (raid, Blight, etc.).  Darkspawn don't age and are essentially the taint made manifest, so the only way they die is in combat.  The various races of Thedas have limited lifespans, though the elves originally had very lengthy lifespans comparable to the asari in ME, so there's basically no real comparison between darkspawn and the races of Thedas beyond height (excluding ogres).  Darkspawn are darkspawn.  There's no changing that.  Unless we get some Mary Sue/Gary Stu character that goes around curing the taint and making darkspawn into people.

 

You say. It's a physical corruption, This I agree. Blight is just disease, and disease can be cured flesh can be easy moulded. We have shapshifters Flemeth/Morrigan. Qunari are probably elfs who was changed using dragon blood. So curing blight is not impossible, but seeing Bioware record, we will find cure so easy, with most stupidest way possible,I hope I am wrong.

 

Not entirely sure what shapeshifters have to do with this, tbh.  Still, Flemeth seemed to be immune to the taint (remember how she killed all those darkspawn in DA2 in her dragon form?), which could be for a number of reasons given what we know about her.  Morrigan, on the other hand, we don't really know.

 

Qunari being elves at one point is simply a theory which will likely be debunked some time in the future (imo).  That's a very poor example.

 

I wasn't disagreeing about the possibility to cure the taint.  I was disagreeing about you saying that the darkspawn could be made human.  Even if it was possible, considering what happened with the awakened darkspawn in Awakening, do you really want to risk 'curing' them and potentially letting a hoard of homicidal and mentally unstable people run around Thedas?  Plus, how would Thedas survive with the sudden and massive influx of people?  Resources would be depleted incredibly fast and soon enough, there wouldn't be room for anyone.

 

While it may seem like a good thing to 'cure' the darkspawn, it can cause immense damage to Thedas as a whole.  Especially in the long run.

[Ariella]

Not entirely sure what shapeshifters have to do with this, tbh.  Still, Flemeth seemed to be immune to the taint (remember how she killed all those darkspawn in DA2 in her dragon form?), which could be for a number of reasons given what we know about her.  Morrigan, on the other hand, we don't really know.
 

Actually, we don't know if Mythal/Flemeth is immune. She does tell Morrigan in DAO that the Blight could destroy even her. Which was part of the reason why Flemeth was sending Morrigan along with the Warden.

[BronzTrooper]

Actually, we don't know if Mythal/Flemeth is immune. She does tell Morrigan in DAO that the Blight could destroy even her. Which was part of the reason why Flemeth was sending Morrigan along with the Warden.

 

tbf, she could've also meant that even she couldn't stop the hoard- at least not on her own.  Still, the fact that nothing happened to her when she bit down on one of the hurlock in DA2 implies that she could be immune.  I guess we really won't know for sure now, though.

 

Question: Why are we now talking about darkspawn in a brothel thread?  

[Ariella]

tbf, she could've also meant that even she couldn't stop the hoard- at least not on her own.  Still, the fact that nothing happened to her when she bit down on one of the hurlock in DA2 implies that she could be immune.  I guess we really won't know for sure now, though.
 
Question: Why are we now talking about darkspawn in a brothel thread?  

Because this is the BSN, and we tend to do stuff like this.

[BronzTrooper]

Because this is the BSN, and we tend to do stuff like this.

 

Good point 

[9TailsFox]

tbf, she could've also meant that even she couldn't stop the hoard- at least not on her own.  Still, the fact that nothing happened to her when she bit down on one of the hurlock in DA2 implies that she could be immune.  I guess we really won't know for sure now, though.

 

Question: Why are we now talking about darkspawn in a brothel thread?  

Flemeth killed darkspawn in dragon form even put one in her mouth. Dragons have natural resistance to blight or diseases in general like qunari resistant to magic (well qunari and dragon probably partly the same think so, maybe this is why we see so little ogres because qunari are resistant).

 

Why we talking about darkspawn, darkspawn brothel, no?

[Panda]

Could have been a story issue. Rape or the use of prostitutes has been part of the history of war to the present and likely beyond. Michael J. Fox starred in a movie based on a true story out of Vietnam involving the rape and murder of a local peasant girl. The Russians as they entered Berlin in WWII were famous for raping German women and then offering them chocolate -- trying to be nice I guess. Two or three GIs in Okinawa were lynched by the locals after they raped a woman. After their surrender, the Japanese gov't set up brothels for the US soldiers in order to prevent further rape incidents. The use of "comfort women" by the Japanese occupiers in Korea and China is well known.

 

The Inquisition especially as they gained support from the Orlesian Crown and others, gaining official status, could have been put into a situation where they would have to consider setting up entertainment facilities in order to avoid conflict with the locals. May be a missed opportunity just as to the internal debates and conflicts that could have arisen. We didn't have to actually see the brothel.

 

_______

 

On a more serious note. Let me try this again.

 

Inquisitor to Cabot:  "What's the word out there?"

 

Cabot "sigh...mutter mutter...already scheduled...mumble mumble...gonna have to be a hands on operation."

 

Although this is true, brothels and prostitution aren't exactly best thing to prevent rape. Prostitution is colored by sexual assault, assault and modern slavery. Prostitute from The Blooming Rose tells Orana that live as prostitute isn't that bad.. you can pretent to sleep while people have sex with you.. and that some clients even like it more. That does sound bit creepy to me and doesn't really make me interested in using services of the brothel. Based on how much negative connotations prostitution seems to have both real life and in the game I'm just happier without brothels in the game.

[BronzTrooper]

Flemeth killed darkspawn in dragon form even put one in her mouth. Dragons have natural resistance to blight or diseases in general like qunari resistant to magic (well qunari and dragon probably partly the same think so, maybe this is why we see so little ogres because qunari are resistant).

 

Why we talking about darkspawn, darkspawn brothel, no?

 

Hmm...., I suppose that makes sense.  Also, it's dwarves that are resistant to magic, not qunari.  As for why ogres are so rare, I think it has more to do with the fact that it's very rare for qunari to encounter darkspawn in the first place.  Genlocks are the most common darkspawn and the dwarves were the first to encounter darkspawn, iirc.

 

But yeah, let's drop this.  

[9TailsFox]

Hmm...., I suppose that makes sense.  Also, it's dwarves that are resistant to magic, not qunari.  As for why ogres are so rare, I think it has more to do with the fact that it's very rare for qunari to encounter darkspawn in the first place.  Genlocks are the most common darkspawn and the dwarves were the first to encounter darkspawn, iirc.

 

But yeah, let's drop this.  

You right about magic resistance Qunari get +50 HP. So where I read Qunari get magic resistance?  Whatever.

[correctamundo]

No healer to cure that rampant STD.

 

At least I have a surgeon! She can do wonders.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

Could have been a story issue. Rape or the use of prostitutes has been part of the history of war to the present and likely beyond. Michael J. Fox starred in a movie based on a true story out of Vietnam involving the rape and murder of a local peasant girl. The Russians as they entered Berlin in WWII were famous for raping German women and then offering them chocolate -- trying to be nice I guess. Two or three GIs in Okinawa were lynched by the locals after they raped a woman. After their surrender, the Japanese gov't set up brothels for the US soldiers in order to prevent further rape incidents. The use of "comfort women" by the Japanese occupiers in Korea and China is well known.

 

The Inquisition especially as they gained support from the Orlesian Crown and others, gaining official status, could have been put into a situation where they would have to consider setting up entertainment facilities in order to avoid conflict with the locals. May be a missed opportunity just as to the internal debates and conflicts that could have arisen. We didn't have to actually see the brothel.

 

_______

 

On a more serious note. Let me try this again.

 

Inquisitor to Cabot:  "What's the word out there?"

 

Cabot "sigh...mutter mutter...already scheduled...mumble mumble...gonna have to be a hands on operation."

 

While I take your point that issues regarding prostitution arise during wartime, I can't even imagine how that issue could be handled sensitively and appropriately as a minor side plot in a game that is primarily heroic fantasy.

 

It also... and I realize this wasn't your intention at all... but the whole original argument really walks a fine line with justifying or excusing rape. (I.e. "If there aren't women around who are putting out, then of course the poor men can't help it! The solution to rape is bringing in women who will put out!") I don't think that's a mire that Bioware wants to wade into. There are plenty of other equally thorny diplomatic issues the writers could address without trying to navigate one that has such strong real-world unfortunate implications attached.

[NaclynE]

Seems to me there should be a brothel for the Inquisition in Skyhold. DAO and DA2 had one. Use it to add some strange encounters. For example, the Inquisitor could set up an encounter there for Cole. Or, the Inquisitor could fool around there and risk being caught by their love interest, possibly putting an end to the romance.

 

I mean, the game already has some brief nudity and coarse language. If you did not want to go to the brothel, you wouldn't have to. Make encounters there totally optional.

 

Just a thought...

 

I agree. DAO had one as well as DA 2. Why not continue the tradition?

 

 

 

 

"The power of the box is strong with this one."

 

[cindercatz]

I highly, highly, highly doubt that blood magic can do that.  It is powerful, yes, but that doesn't mean it can do anything.

 

We don't really know what Mythal was.  She could've been a spirit, a powerful elven mage, or something else.  She joined to Flemeth in a similar way to how Justice joined to Anders.  Did that make Justice a human?  No, he was still a spirit, but he was bound to Anders.

 

 

And yet he is one of the very first darkspawn, and emissaries are still darkspawn.  Yes, he was born human, but he and the other magisters were changed into darkspawn when they entered the Black City.  All we really know about the Black City is what is stated in Chantry lore and what Cory himself said, but even then, there's no guarantee any of it is 100% accurate.

 

As for the darkspawn, they are born as they are via broodmothers, which originate as female humans, dwarves, elves, or qunari.  Broodmothers are formed in the span of a couple weeks, while ghouls stay ghouls for years until the corruption consumes them, or they die in combat (raid, Blight, etc.).  Darkspawn don't age and are essentially the taint made manifest, so the only way they die is in combat.  The various races of Thedas have limited lifespans, though the elves originally had very lengthy lifespans comparable to the asari in ME, so there's basically no real comparison between darkspawn and the races of Thedas beyond height (excluding ogres).  Darkspawn are darkspawn.  There's no changing that.  Unless we get some Mary Sue/Gary Stu character that goes around curing the taint and making darkspawn into people.

 

 

Not entirely sure what shapeshifters have to do with this, tbh.  Still, Flemeth seemed to be immune to the taint (remember how she killed all those darkspawn in DA2 in her dragon form?), which could be for a number of reasons given what we know about her.  Morrigan, on the other hand, we don't really know.

 

Qunari being elves at one point is simply a theory which will likely be debunked some time in the future (imo).  That's a very poor example.

 

I wasn't disagreeing about the possibility to cure the taint.  I was disagreeing about you saying that the darkspawn could be made human.  Even if it was possible, considering what happened with the awakened darkspawn in Awakening, do you really want to risk 'curing' them and potentially letting a hoard of homicidal and mentally unstable people run around Thedas?  Plus, how would Thedas survive with the sudden and massive influx of people?  Resources would be depleted incredibly fast and soon enough, there wouldn't be room for anyone.

 

While it may seem like a good thing to 'cure' the darkspawn, it can cause immense damage to Thedas as a whole.  Especially in the long run.

Mostly agree, but that last bit, evidence so far says otherwise. In DA:A, my warden allied with the Architect and the intelligent darkspawn we meet (apart from The Mother's group). The result in the slides is that at first, others start to notice unusually intelligent darkspawn in skirmishes, but then they recede underground. There's never another blight. So darkspawn are darkspawn (other than the magisters and broodmothers and ghouls), but when they're separated from the calling, or the old gods' influence, they essentially have the potential to evolve as a society and individuals. They're still soulless, so I guess that's basically another bit where they're like the Geth of Thedas.

 

The magisters basically are cursed humans as far as I can tell, like the werewolves in DA:O. So I imagine they could find some way to lift the curse, and that would revert them to human mages. I look at Cory as necessary to kill mostly because he's an extremely powerful aggressor who's lost his mind and is extremely difficult to kill. We really don't even kill him at the end. We exile him to the fade without a key to get back and no body to steal if he does die. I wouldn't be surprised if he popped up trying to possess a mage somewhere later on like a fade demon.

 

Edit:

...or possessing Hawke's body if we left them in the fade.. Cory's like an old god with the body hopping, so possessing a grey warden should kill them both permanently, but not Hawke. That's gonna be nuts.. lol. That would be the next obvious story beat, though.

[BronzTrooper]

Mostly agree, but that last bit, evidence so far says otherwise. In DA:A, my warden allied with the Architect and the intelligent darkspawn we meet (apart from The Mother's group). The result in the slides is that at first, others start to notice unusually intelligent darkspawn in skirmishes, but then they recede underground. There's never another blight. So darkspawn are darkspawn (other than the magisters and broodmothers and ghouls), but when they're separated from the calling, or the old gods' influence, they essentially have the potential to evolve as a society and individuals. They're still soulless, so I guess that's basically another bit where they're like the Geth of Thedas.

 

True, but they had the Architect to guide them.  Without the Architect, there's a good chance they'd end up like the Mother's awakened darkspawn.

[cindercatz]

True, but they had the Architect to guide them.  Without the Architect, there's a good chance they'd end up like the Mother's awakened darkspawn.

Fair point. But we don't know yea or nae yet. 

[SharpWalkers]

Should've been part of the Skyhold customization ''quests''. I could see it now:

 

 

Inquisition Builder: "Inquisitor, we have found a couple of quarries, that will go defunct after we use them once - sorry for our incompetence in mining - what do we do with the tower?"

Inquisitor: "Brothel."

Inquisition Builder: "I see. Could be good for morale in these dark, dark - though delightfully colourful - times."

 

 

An undefined amount of time later...

 

Inquisition Builder: "Inquisitor, we've found a logging camp in the middle of a desert, even though there's only a few trees around - logically, it will go defunct once we've used it once... can't blame us for that one - what do we do with the courtyard?"

Inquisitor: "Brothel."

Inquisition Builder: "But we already have a br--"

Inquisitor: "Brothel."

Inquisition Builder: "Yes, Inquisitor. I suppose now our army grows large - even though Skyhold couldn't hold that much, nor is there a place we seem to keep them in the area around Skyhold... nor is there is even a clear way to access Skyhold, considering our bridge leads to a tower that's located on a spire-like rock formation - we might need more than one brothel to accomodate the raging lust of wartorn souls... Sorry, I've been writing a poem.."

 

 

Another awkwardly unclear amount of time later...

 

Inquisition Builder: "Inquisitor - something that might interest you... Herbs!.. and plants and sh*t. What shall we do with the garden?"

Inquisitor: "Brothel."

Inquisition Builder: "Did you say 'brother'?"

Inquisitor: "Brothel!"

Inquision Builder: "Right... one moment..."

 

 

An amount of time later that might as well be just as long a time as the previous two amounts of time.

 

Leliana: "Inquisitor, we need to talk..."

Cassandra: "Have a seat..."

 

 

Precisely eighteen days, three hours, fourty-six minutes and 5 seconds later. Some hut in the Hinterlands.

 

Former Inquisitor: "I'm so lonesome I could cry."  *Leaves a quest for future Inquisitors: build three brothels [0/3]*

[correctamundo]

Snip!

 

LMAO!

[wright1978]

I offended hawing garden in my skyhold, no one care about my feelings.

Lol, agree I'm all for more deflowering.

[The Oracle]

I'm not even sure that rape would be as big a part of war in Thedas as it is in our history. Mainly due to the fact that the armies seems to be comprised of a roughly equal male/female mix. In our history, wars were primarily fought by men and rape occurred due to women being viewed as a sort of property, to be taken, bought or won. Thedas doesn't have the same gender inequality in their history. While I don't doubt that rape still occurred, I would imagine it not to be as prevalent and probably severely punished if caught, rather than accepted as the norm.

 

I always figured that while Skyhold itself doesn't have a brothel, that perhaps there were men and women working at that trade down in the soldiers camps. After all, Bull manages to find a nice girl called "Candy" for Cole and I doubt she was just a serving girl, though I suppose there's nothing stopping people from making a bit of coin on the side.