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[thats1evildude]

 

Reality has a bullshitty bias.

 

C'mon, that's a harem! Are you saying the Inquisitor should have a friggin' harem?

[Neon Rising Winter]

Because when QA finally got round to noticing the 'it'll never get past QA' content they'd inserted it was too late to rewrite it?

[Majestic Jazz]

The reason why no brothels in DAI despite them being in both DAO and DA2:

http://vignette1.wik...=20150228013558

[TmTapani]

The reason why no brothels in DAI despite them being in both DAO and DA2:

http://vignette1.wik...=20150228013558

Couldn've said it better,

[thats1evildude]

Oh, what horseshit. Brothels were cut because 1) DAI emphasized wilderness exploration and 2) they were kind of a waste of resources to begin with.

[Halfdan The Menace]

A brothel without Petyr Baelish is no fun.

[TmTapani]

Oh, what horseshit. Brothels were cut because 1) DAI emphasized wilderness exploration and 2) they were kind of a waste of resources to begin with.

A brothel? A waste of resourcers? Well that's a first. Provided that they serve both genders of course.

[Neon Rising Winter]

Oh, what horseshit. Brothels were cut because 1) DAI emphasized wilderness exploration and 2) they were kind of a waste of resources to begin with.

 

Oh you and your sensible answers. Can't you give us a breathless conspiracy theory? A bit of cheesy sexual innuendo? At the very least couldn't you blame EA? It's like you're not even trying.

[Majestic Jazz]

Oh you and your sensible answers. Can't you give us a breathless conspiracy theory? A bit of cheesy sexual innuendo? At the very least couldn't you blame EA? It's like you're not even trying.

 

This is the same guy that tried to derail my point about TW3 possibly selling better than DAI and he wants to "discredit" such claim because games like Mortal Kombat X and GTA5 sold better than TW3 which somehow is supposed to take away the fact that TW3 still possibly sold better than DAI....

 

He will say or make up anything to justify is own view. 

[thats1evildude]

This is the same guy that tried to derail my point about TW3 possibly selling better than DAI and he wants to "discredit" such claim because games like Mortal Kombat X and GTA5 sold better than TW3 which somehow is supposed to take away the fact that TW3 still possibly sold better than DAI...

 

Also Lego Jurassic World. Don't forget that.

 

But you know, I don't care if The Witcher 3 did or did not sell better than DAI. Great for CD Projekt Red! It's good for RPG fans that there are multiple viable RPG series on the market! At least we're not all stuck playing goddamn Final Fantasy! But I resent the Witcher fans for insisting every other Western fantasy series must be a Witcher clone. I don't like the Witcher, and I just wish you would go away and leave Dragon Age alone.

[Neon Rising Winter]

This is the same guy that tried to derail my point about TW3 possibly selling better than DAI and he wants to "discredit" such claim because games like Mortal Kombat X and GTA5 sold better than TW3 which somehow is supposed to take away the fact that TW3 still possibly sold better than DAI....

 

He will say or make up anything to justify is own view. 

I suspect you have misinterpreted my post.

[Majestic Jazz]

Also Lego Jurassic World. Don't forget that.

 

But you know, I don't care if The Witcher 3 did or did not sell better than DAI. Great for CD Projekt Red! It's good for RPG fans that there are multiple viable RPG series on the market! At least we're not all stuck playing goddamn Final Fantasy! But I resent the Witcher fans for insisting every other Western fantasy series must be a Witcher clone. I don't like the Witcher, and I just wish you would go away and leave Dragon Age alone.

 

I do not care about western RPGs being a TW3 clone. I value the success of TW3 because it shows that a videogame (Western RPG) can be raw and still be a financial success. With DAI it was clear that Bioware wanted to play it safe and please/not offend certain demographics for particular reasons. As a result, DAI still won GOTY (Despite 2014 being a slow gaming year btw) but TW3 has really blown expectations out of the water by selling 6 million in its first six weeks! Again, not bad from a small developer and a lesser known franchise. Batman, Jurassic World, Mortal Kombat, GTA etc are all well known and propular brands/franchises. Witcher is not so popular but TW3 really brought the brand to the forefront and put CD Projekt on the map.

 

TW3 dared to be bold wheras DAI played it safe in terms of adult themes/tones and I am not specifically talking about sex but just the overall tone of the game. DAI is this happy go lucky "Hero saves the world" standard whereas TW3 is a bit more personal, tragic, but still......bold and moving.

 

Again, 6 million units pushed from a small developer and a lesser known brand is nothing to take lightly. It does show that gamers still value the type of storytelling/atmosphere that TW3 delivers and that things do not have to be "safe" to be a financial success. 

[thats1evildude]

I don't see the series as playing it safe regardless of your conspiracy theorizing about the dread SJWs and their evil Tumblrs. Some stuff got cut, like those poorly-done and generally unexciting brothels, but those were not to the series' detriment. I don't want Dragon Age to replicate the Witcher's dreary plot or its godawful protagonist or its cheesy sex scenes.

 

I do want you to go away. If you could do that, it'd be swell.

[SurelyForth]

I don't see the series as playing it safe regardless of your conspiracy theorizing about the dread SJWs and their evil Tumblrs. Some stuff got cut, like those poorly-done and generally unexciting brothels, but those were not to the series' detriment. I don't want Dragon Age to replicate the Witcher's dreary plot or its godawful protagonist or its cheesy sex scenes.

 

I do want you to go away. If you could do that, it'd be swell.

 

Seconded. I'm so, so tired of this "****** and gore and gritty grit = serious storytelling = best" thing that is strangling popular culture at the moment. The world is hardly lacking for "bold" and "raw" forms of entertainment and acting like it is, or that they are unsuccessful, is disingenuous as ****.

[Ariella]

A brothel? A waste of resourcers? Well that's a first. Provided that they serve both genders of course.

Waste of resources. Ie has no value to the plot. As I said earlier the only agenda here is telling the story Bioware wants to tell.

If you're offended by the way they tell the story, fine, but assuming some agenda has you proving the old saw about assumptions.

Seconded. I'm so, so tired of this "****** and gore and gritty grit = serious storytelling = best" thing that is strangling popular culture at the moment. The world is hardly lacking for "bold" and "raw" forms of entertainment and acting like it is, or that they are unsuccessful, is disingenuous as ****.

A-freaken-men.

Dragon Age is not and was never meant to be a Witcher clone. I'd like it to continue that way.

If people don't like that, you can leave. No one is forcing you to be here or play a game you obviously hate. Go play TW3 in the time you're wasting here.

[9TailsFox]

Waste of resources. Ie has no value to the plot. As I said earlier the only agenda here is telling the story Bioware wants to tell.

If you're offended by the way they tell the story, fine, but assuming some agenda has you proving the old saw about assumptions.


A-freaken-men.

Dragon Age is not and was never meant to be a Witcher clone. I'd like it to continue that way.

If people don't like that, you can leave. No one is forcing you to be here or play a game you obviously hate. Go play TW3 in the time you're wasting here.

So basically mostly DA:I maps are waste of resources. Because these empty maps have no value to the plot.

[Yaroub]

So basically mostly DA:I maps are waste of resources. Because these empty maps have no value to the plot.

 

[Giantdeathrobot]

This is the same guy that tried to derail my point about TW3 possibly selling better than DAI and he wants to "discredit" such claim because games like Mortal Kombat X and GTA5 sold better than TW3 which somehow is supposed to take away the fact that TW3 still possibly sold better than DAI....

 

He will say or make up anything to justify is own view. 

 

You do realize the person you're responding to is sarcastic, right?

[thats1evildude]

So basically mostly DA:I maps are waste of resources. Because these empty maps have no value to the plot.

How often did you visit the brothels in DAO and DA2 for non-quest-related reasons? Once or twice, just to see what they were like? Maybe four or five times, tops?

I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of players that never went to the Pearl or The Blooming Rose unless they had to. They weren't particularly that titillating, and the joke about the "special service" was starting to wear thin.

Conversely, I bet everyone went to the Fallow Mire, the Exalted Plains or the Emerald Graves at least once even though they technically didn't need to.

The brothels were just a bad, wasteful game feature, especially since the game was set in the wilderness. If we get something like the bard songs or NPC conversations in Skyhold in exchange, then I consider that a good trade.

[Ariella]

None of the advocates for a brothel have been able to explain what a brothel would offer storywise to DAI.

Fallow Mire has the rescue of Inquisition soldiers, something the Herald has a major stake in,.plus sets up some lore for the Avvar, an agent... etc.

Exhalted Plains gives the players a very pointed look at the cost of the civil war. Gutted homes, mass graves, bodies laying unattended. Deserters who've been recruited by Corypheus in the middle.

Emerald Groves has Dalish lore all over the place, which considering Solas is pretty damned important. Then there's the refugees, and the Freemen. Iirc there are three 'dungeon' type areas with lore and loot.

Emprise du Lion has the advance on the keep, which is very cool. Again seeing more of the war's cost. You have a woman who was handing over the sick and aged to the Red Templars so they can grow red lyrium. Her defense was she was sacrificing the weak to save those who could survive (Not a mature hypermasculine subject). Also rescuing the slaves from the quarry and cutting off the supply lines.

Dealing with Cullen's lyrium addiction isn't a mature subject, nor is having to choose between sacrificing the Chargers for the Qun, or sacrificing an alliance to save men and women who had fought for you. And then, of course, there's Blackwall. Do you let him hang, do you save him and give him a chance to atone?

Of course none of these things are mature and 'hypermasculine'. At least not in Bizzaro world.

When did gallons of blood and full frontal nudity for women become the standard for mature?

[TmTapani]

Advocates of a brothel? Try advocates of atmosphere instead. There are more to games than the story, not everything should be a slave to it. Having a brothel in a game like this is a waste of resources only if it isn't done or used properly. And as 9TailsFox said, the pretty scenery isn't relevant to the plot either. So why not cut it out since it is such a "waste of resources"?

[thats1evildude]

I spend a lot more time exploring the pretty virtual scenery than I do in joyless 10-second romps with virtual prostitutes. Besides, don't abandoned ruins and magic forests do more to evoke the atmosphere of a fantasy world than seedy brothels?

"Hey Tolkien, this Lord of the Rings is pretty good, but wouldn't it be better if Aragorn boned a couple elven sluts at a whorehouse during his stop-over in Rivendell?"

If the visits to the Blooming Rose or the Pearl actually provided a little titillation, I'd get why people are so keen on them. But they really don't. And I'm not in favour of sinking a lot of effort into optional paid sex encounters.

[Ariella]

Advocates of a brothel? Try advocates of atmosphere instead. There are more to games than the story, not everything should be a slave to it. Having a brothel in a game like this is a waste of resources only if it isn't done or used properly. And as 9TailsFox said, the pretty scenery isn't relevant to the plot either. So why not cut it out since it is such a "waste of resources"?

Did you even bother to read. Every single area has quests that connect to the plot. It's not just 'pretty scenery'.

And how does it add to atmosphere? All the places mentioned are regions where the conflict of the game is taking place, ie Corypheus using the civil war to his own ends.

How does your brothel add to that conflict, or any of the conflicts going on. It's a waste of resources.

[segurissima]

While I think a brothel in Skyhold is a terrible idea, as it would not fit to the set up and ideas of the Inquisition, they could have placed one in Val Royeaux. Of course, if it has no interconnection to the story DAI wants to tell, there is no point. And it this case, this is the Inquis story, and in my opinion it is good that Bioware did not go there, the point was not to copy all the things we had in the world of DA but to show the player the places that help to tell the Inquisitors story. I do not see how a brothel would do that, unless they forcingly include a quest to lead you there. Whats the point?

As to the discussion about TW3 and DAI world, I am a person that loves both, I think witcher is one of the best games I have ever played, but that is based on novel set in a very dark world, and DA was rather about "one hero saving the world" set up. Still, I played much more DAI than witcher, because of the customizable character and the companion interaction. I see a lot of comparison here on the forums and I dont understand it at all. Do I think they mainstreamed DAI a bit to get to more audience? Yes i do, but I also think they were trying to do something very big and impressive, for the first time going out of the very tight story telling, and they did not manage to please all hardcore fans, yes, but I am convinced that next DA will learn about mistakes and feedbacks and it will be grandious. ( appologize being off topic here)

Sorry My English impedes me to be all sophisticated in expressing my self but I hope my point is understandable.

[TmTapani]

I spend a lot more time exploring the pretty virtual scenery than I do in joyless 10-second romps with virtual prostitutes. Besides, don't abandoned ruins and magic forests do more to evoke the atmosphere of a fantasy world than seedy brothels?

"Hey Tolkien, this Lord of the Rings is pretty good, but wouldn't it be better if Aragorn boned a couple elven sluts at a whorehouse during his stop-over in Rivendell?"

If the visits to the Blooming Rose or the Pearl actually provided a little titillation, I'd get why people are so keen on them. But they really don't. And I'm not in favour of sinking a lot of effort into optional paid sex encounters.

I did say "if used properly", didn't I?

 

And optional sex encounters? Why is everyone who argues against having brothels in games always bringing that up? Having a brothel =/= having sex encounters. I won't mention Witcher since it will get people all defensive/offensive but have you played a game called Shadowrun Returns? It's literally centered around a brothel and it does it in a good, tasteful way. There is no sexual content in that game but it still does not shy away from utilising the setting in a skillful (and even realistic) manner.