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[chrstnmonks]

Brothel in Skyhold? No not so much. Val Royeaux maybe. it could have had story relevance like for catching people there and blackmailing them or something. Maybe next game.

[giveamanafish...]

Time for some music:

 

 

 

There still was a brothel off Main and Hastings in Vancouver back about 10 years ago. It was in an old house just off Oppenheimer (?) park. I was walking by there one early evening and all the ladies were on the porch laughing and waving in potential customers. I should probably have checked it out maybe Ian Tyson had left one of his guitars or a lyric sheet there.

 

Just a few years later we all heard about the pig farmer in Coquitlam who had buried around his farm about a dozen or more bodies from the hookers he had killed. I remember reading about the life of one of his victims. Her grandmother had taken her away from her mother. That kid's earliest memories involved her drug-addicted mother using a broom to chase her daughter out from under the bed ... for the use of her male friends.

[The Oracle]

I've actually been in a brothel. Long story, happened after a very strange works night out (was working for a phone company at the time). Thought our assistant manager was taking us to a late night bar but we ended up outside this big old city mansion in the middle of nowhere, 2am and with no money as myself and the other girl had paid the taxi fare. The owner came out, really confused, told us how it wasn't a place for us while our assistant manager ploughed on ahead to get himself a prostitute, leaving us on our todd. We explained to the brothel owner our predicament and he let us sit inside one of their vacant rooms (mirrored, I didn't sit on the bed though it was admittedly a lot cleaner than I'd expected) while a taxi came for us. He was very pleasant and sympathetic, got us a discount on our taxis and apologised that we had been placed in that situation. He was probably hoping we didn't report the place to the police. I was only about 22 or so at the time, the other girl was older. Saw some of the women, sitting in a kind of waiting room as we left, looking bored and not talking much. They looked older and tired, I remember thinking. Still, probably the weirdest end to a night out I've yet to have. It's a bit random to think of it now but at the time I was terrified.

[cindercatz]

What "atmosphere" does "prostitution is legal" particularly show? Just how would a brothel be "properly" used? In DAO the brothel was identical to the various Inns except you got a silly and cheesy cutscene implying underwear sex or bestiality.

I agree to the extent that if what we're talking about is how they were in DA:O and DA2, a joke basically with a couple sidequests, then yes we're better off without them. 'Properly used' would be dramatically used. I've yet to see a game really do that, other than TW3, as much as people that oppose their presence might not want to hear it. In that game, yes you have the veneer of sex or sometimes glamour, but you've got drug addiction, murder, sanctioned abuse by an evil client (who you can thankfully save the girl and put an end to it), you have traumatic life stories and turf war, and you've got the backdrop for secret meetings between criminals and conspirators, etc.

 

Dragon Age is not The Witcher, so of course it would approach the material in a BioWare, character centric style, but it starts with just treating them seriously. I imagine Iron Bull, Sera, and Blackwall would have plenty to say about their own attitudes, vis a vis IB's sexual attitude and his utilitarian approach as a spy, Sera's life on the slum streets and her involvement as a Red Jenny, and Blackwall's general seediness and dishonesty, especially as a fugitive. And Val Royeax's brothels are supposed to be a big deal in the established lore. The story would naturally lean that way.

 

But I remember a dev comment about their version of brothels not being particularly well recieved, thus the decision to spend that money elsewhere. If they would only consider the kind of (basically offensive in a lot of cases) joke version from the previous two games, then they may as well not go there. But if they were willing to risk offending people in a way that was actually worth it, I wish that version was in the game, not in Skyhold though. It'd make for a lot stronger location for story and character development than half the large zones they shoehorned in. Some people act like the story was this sacrosanct object that the whole game was designed to support, and everything there must truly have been chosen in service to the story. I guarantee that's not how it worked. If it had been, we'd've got a very, very different game. Reality is they're chasing a particular audience, and they decided a legit brothel location and related storyline didn't serve their purpose. Same reason they completely threw out the (much grittier, more realistic, more powerful) social tension around gender, sexuality, and societal privilege present everywhere in DA:O. That has hurt the setting, but the improvement around companion romantic relationships has offset it, more or less. They need to get back to investing us into the world through real drama as well next time. The setting in DA:I is extremely sanitized. The party are the only thing that give it any life.

[TK514]

Sera's room is the brothel.

[Darvins]

what would a Brothel add to the game? What features would you have cut to make room for the Brothel, remember game design is not infinite resource so cut something from the game to make room for the Brothel something say the size of the Tavern in Skyhold to be clear, and tell us why it would be a better use of resources what the Brothel adds? As I just do not see it... at all

[Ariella]

The setting in DA:I is extremely sanitized. The party are the only thing that give it any life.

Visible battles for control of the Hinterlands by mages and templars. Refugees camped in old ruins and other locales throughout the same area. Mages being trapped and burned to death inside homes. Red lyrium infecting people and growing out of them. The broken ruins, dead bodies and trapped soliders in the Exhalted Plains. Not to mention Crestwood, or seeing Wardens murder their own to summon demons.

Certainly sanitized...

You want to know what? I just got a big reminder a few hours ago why I don't play the Witcher and do play DA.

There's a massive manhunt in my area as I type this. The schools are in lockdown. I want to play a game where the good guys may be flawed, but they're still GOOD. Not less bad than everyone else.

[TreeHuggerHannah]

I think a brothel in Val Royeaux would make a lot more sense than having one in Skyhold. 

 

I'm still of the opinion we don't really need one, though. Sure, it would open up a lot of story possibilities, but so would many other things.

[CoM Solaufein]

It needs a brothel and Bull should be in charge of it.

[Uirebhiril]

We didn't really wander around any big cities, which is where you're likely to find one. Anything else and you can probably hit up a serving maid that moonlights as a prostitute in a tavern or something. Working that in there may have come at the cost of some other dialogue or particular event.

 

Sometimes it probably really is about things like budget and assets, and not about all these agendas or real world issues.  

[diaspora2k5]

We didn't really wander around any big cities, which is where you're likely to find one. Anything else and you can probably hit up a serving maid that moonlights as a prostitute in a tavern or something. Working that in there may have come at the cost of some other dialogue or particular event.

 

Sometimes it probably really is about things like budget and assets, and not about all these agendas or real world issues.

Cross-gen ;_;

[Sifr]

Am I the only one paranoid now that my tendency to recruit or pardon prisoners, means that a lot of soldiers in the Inquisition have taken advantage of the often disused dungeon in Skyhold to run the local brothel, blackmarket, casino, fight club, nug-fighting pits... or all of the above?

 

[Qun00]

Besides the fact that's pretty f***ed-up, who the hell do we judge that you would want to press into sexual slavery? Erimond? Florianne in a box? Storvacker?!

Surely there must be some kind of bestiality simulator out there for you, Shaftell. Find your jollies elsewhere.

Erimond, definitely Erimond.

His customers: 20 frustrated and angry Qunari.

[pdusen]

Why would a fortress in the middle of the Frostback Mountains have a brothel?

[Maelora]

DAI is a strange animal.

 

No brothels, as opposed to previous games. 

 

No desire demons as opposed to previous games.

 

I'd have assumed the reason was 'Gamergate'  and Bioware's SJW leanings...

 

BUT the Sera, Dorian and Cass romances have actual nudity, so it's not necessarily that.

[CoM Solaufein]

Why would a fortress in the middle of the Frostback Mountains have a brothel?

Have to do something to pass time, otherwise you may catch cabin fever.

[Sunnie]

Using that logic, then every military installation should have a brothel. Good luck getting that to fly in any military!

[Halfdan The Menace]

Perhaps the requisition dude could set up a brothel underneath Skyhold and call it The Unblooming Rose.

[MrObnoxiousUK]

Brothels are a potential intelligence nightmare, best to leaving the mattress actresses  in the cities. Traditionally armies in the field would have had as many camp followers as soldiers but at the heart of Inquisition power,pomp and pageantry no.

[Mr.House]

Brothels simply did not fit DAI. First Skyhold is a military installation with religious ties. It's not going to have a brothel or harem at all. THERE might be sexual abuse and other stuff in the back but that is not endorsed. It also would not fit any place we go.

 

The brothels in the past game where part in the worst parts of its respected city, which does not happen in DAI. I know some people want to put tinfoil hats on and all that but brothels are not in DAI because they don't fit what is in the game and shoehorning brothels (which have always been a joke in DA games) IS a waste of resources and time.

[Orian Tabris]

There should be a brothel, but not in Skyhold. Orlais would be the best place for one. There should've been a brothel in the vanilla game, in keeping with the strict traditions and rituals of our ancestors. But seriously though, we had a brothel in both of the previous two games, so why not this one? I mean, had there been a brothel in DAI as well, the naysayers would not have called BioWare SJWs, or claimed they were just trying to tick off boxes (as much), because of the balance that would have been there between tasteful and (for lack of a better word) tasteless content.

[Sunnie]

Brothels fit in the previous games and had a purpose. They just don't fit or belong in this chapter of the Thedas Saga.

 

I am glad they didn't try to shoehorn one into this game.

[Mr.House]

There should be a brothel, but not in Skyhold. Orlais would be the best place for one. There should've been a brothel in the vanilla game, in keeping with the strict traditions and rituals of our ancestors. But seriously though, we had a brothel in both of the previous two games, so why not this one? I mean, had there been a brothel in DAI as well, the naysayers would not have called BioWare SJWs, or claimed they were just trying to tick off boxes (as much), because of the balance that would have been there between tasteful and (for lack of a better word) tasteless content.

And yet DAI has real nudity in this game, instead of undie and clothing sex (DAO and DA2)

[ravenesse]

Brothels fit in the previous games and had a purpose. They just don't fit or belong in this chapter of the Thedas Saga.

 

I am glad they didn't try to shoehorn one into this game.

Why don't they fit?