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Does DA:I have the worst DLC of any Bioware game?


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Personally, I've loved both DLC story add ons and even the small item packs.   But then, I love the world, environments, and lore of DA:I so more of that is perfect to me.  Easily the best DLC of the past few years period, with only The Citadel truly beating it (though it needed to save ME3 from a complete collapse).


I also enjoyed Leviathan. "Are you familiar with the applications of tungsten?" :lol:

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Personally, I've loved both DLC story add ons and even the small item packs.   But then, I love the world, environments, and lore of DA:I so more of that is perfect to me.  Easily the best DLC of the past few years period, with only The Citadel truly beating it (though it needed to save ME3 from a complete collapse).

 

Hahahaha. Yeah, right.


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Hahahaha. Yeah, right.

I can't think of many I've bought that have been as good, Bioware or not.  Maybe the Saint's Row IV add ons.. those were hilariously fun.  But generally, if you stick in my mind as a DLC you've done something few DLC packages manage and DA:I is batting 1.000 in that regard.  



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For the DA series Origins has the best and worst dlc with golems of amgarrak being the worst and awakening being the best.

 

But ME1 is the worst since there are only two dlcs i do enjoy Bring Down the Sky and the worst bioware dlc imo is Pinnacle station.



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Hmm, armour dlc and silly prices aside, I think both DAI's dlcs have been really good. Not as much companion-related stuff as I'd like, but the same goes for DAO. Hell, the companions weren't even in most of those dlcs. At the moment, DA2 still has the best dlc to me. Partly because Legacy was both exciting and personal for Hawke (and sibling). MotA was also very good: excellent location, fun story, hilarious dialogue.

 

ME's later dlc tend to be better than DA's, but even then it wasn't until ME3 that they had any decent companion input in the dlc (Leviathan and of course Citadel). Generally speaking, I like the dlc to give me three things: interesting story (preferably where you learn some new stuff about the world), adventure, and companion dialogues.

 

I thought The Descent was spot-on except for the lack of companion stuff. And the non-existent advisors. That's something that should be changed for the next dlc, especially if we're romancing one of them. I particularly liked that Descent moved back to cutscenes for all the conversations (except for asking the two dwarves for more exposition). It adds a much more personal feel to me. Gets me more involved in the story and characters.


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Well, I've yet to play JOH but I bloody well loved Descent. Maybe because it lined up with my guesses about the Dwarves and Lyrium (there's a certain satisfaction in finding out your crazy theories aren't actually that crazy) or maybe it was the fact that i really enjoyed the two new characters it brought in. Also, some of the scenery was lovely. 

 

Could it have done with more companion dialogue? Well sure. As it is though, it gave us new characters, an interesting setting and some Thedas-changing lore to boot. If all of their DLC's provide these things, then I'll happily keep buying them.


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Depends what you are needy for.

 

Need "cutscenes" JOH won't be cutting it.

Decent will satisfy the most in the cutscene department but for some fall short in the party interactions department.

The other dlc"s are more of a flavor thing so do you need to spend money on that?  Thats highly a personal thing really.

 

I think "moaning" is simply a trendy need of the majority these days.



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Like I've said before (I think), my main issue with Descent is probably two-fold. First, I'm not given any reason to justify the Inquisitor's presence in this DLC. Truly, if it had been a dwarf friend to either Valta or Renn that would've made much more sense but the Inquisitor? If I remember correctly the dwarves originally ask for your help to fight the darkspawn, and guess what? I've got an army, some of then are even Grey Wardens. Secondly, there's the issue of the Inquisitor being demoted to a passive observer to a ridiculous degree but I've already mentioned that.



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Like I've said before (I think), my main issue with Descent is probably two-fold. First, I'm not given any reason to justify the Inquisitor's presence in this DLC. Truly, if it had been a dwarf friend to either Valta or Reen that would've made much more sense but the Inquisitor? If I remember correctly the dwarves originally ask for your help to fight the darkspawn, and guess what? I've got an army, some of then are even Grey Wardens. Secondly, there's the issue of the Inquisitor being demoted to a passive observer to a ridiculous degree but I've already mentioned that.


As I recall, earthquakes are causing fissures to open directly to the Deep Roads, Lyrium mines are at risk, and Orzammar is requesting aid.

The Inq gets heat for rising too quickly, and now for being too passive. If one wishes to wait on the sidelines and watch, advise not spying on the Divine and peace talks in the first place.
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Besides, if most players have it take place during the end game or post end game what better does the Inquisitor have to do, get a sponge bath from Cullen?



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As I recall, earthquakes are causing fissures to open directly to the Deep Roads, Lyrium mines are at risk, and Orzammar is requesting aid.

The Inq gets heat for rising too quickly, and now for being too passive. If one wishes to wait on the sidelines and watch, advise not spying on the Divine and peace talks in the first place.

 

Like I said, I have an army. If they want help with the darkspawn, I'm more than happy to send them over. If they find anything, they'll let me know. Also, doesn't Orzammar have an army of its own? Or would they rather be overran by darkspawn?



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Like I said, I have an army. If they want help with the darkspawn, I'm more than happy to send them over. If they find anything, they'll let me know. Also, doesn't Orzammar have an army of its own? Or would they rather be overran by darkspawn?

Apparently a very incompetent army.  



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Apparently a very incompetent army.  

 

Can't argue with that. :D



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Like I said, I have an army. If they want help with the darkspawn, I'm more than happy to send them over. If they find anything, they'll let me know. Also, doesn't Orzammar have an army of its own? Or would they rather be overran by darkspawn?


The answer to the Orzammar question is included in the mod; assets are stretched too far, I believe. And as to the Inquisition itself, they are too busy mining and picking herbs from all the locations marked on the map.

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Can't argue with that. :D

Aww and I was hoping to provoke discussion. :P



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The answer to the Orzammar question is included in the mod; assets are stretched too far, I believe. And as to the Inquisition itself, they are too busy mining and picking herbs from all the locations marked on the map.

 

Oh, how I wish that were true. Would save me a heck of a lot of time.



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Oh, how I wish that were true. Would save me a heck of a lot of time.


You do not actually believe you are actually harvesting and carrying all that material? There is a reason why it has no weight.

*Attempt to use mechanics to solve an issue: Complete! +2 Power* :D

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Like I said, I have an army. If they want help with the darkspawn, I'm more than happy to send them over. If they find anything, they'll let me know. Also, doesn't Orzammar have an army of its own? Or would they rather be overran by darkspawn?


Truth is, there are places a small group can go that an army can't. Plus sending that many people might make things worse. You're being asked to investigate, not attack. And as of right now the Inquisition seems to be the place to look for help when dealing with woojy crap.

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I think the recent DLCs share the appeal and qualities of the main-game.



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Well in fairness, you have an army and other than closing rifts, there would be less than nothing for you to do other than meet, greet, shmoose and swindle. The game would just be turned into a slightly different take on the Civilization's series, but based over the space of a year and not as interesting. The reason why we're always at the front, first people in the door single-handedly solving all of Thedas's problem is because it wouldn't be a game otherwise. How bad would it be if you had a map mission that said:

 

"Inquisitor, the Dwarves of Orzammar have asked for your aid in helping a recent growth in Darkspawn activity and looking into the cause of earthquakes in the area."

 

Cullen: "We can send in our troops to investigate this and help reinforce the Dwarven army."

Leliana: "I can have spies slip in to find out the cause and seal up any Darkspawn passageways."

Josephine: "I'll ask some noble toffs I know to donate their staff to this cause with the promise of trade discounts with the Dwarves."

 

Result:

Spoiler

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#121
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Come up with a convincing reason then to involve the Inquisitor.

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Well in fairness, you have an army and other than closing rifts, there would be less than nothing for you to do other than meet, greet, shmoose and swindle. The game would just be turned into a slightly different take on the Civilization's series, but based over the space of a year and not as interesting. The reason why we're always at the front, first people in the door single-handedly solving all of Thedas's problem is because it wouldn't be a game otherwise. How bad would it be if you had a map mission that said:
 
"Inquisitor, the Dwarves of Orzammar have asked for your aid in helping a recent growth in Darkspawn activity and looking into the cause of earthquakes in the area."
 
Cullen: "We can send in our troops to investigate this and help reinforce the Dwarven army."
Leliana: "I can have spies slip in to find out the cause and seal up any Darkspawn passageways."
Josephine: "I'll ask some noble toffs I know to donate their staff to this cause with the promise of trade discounts with the Dwarves."
 
Result:

Spoiler


Love to see how you'd do JoH...

#123
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Come up with a convincing reason then to involve the Inquisitor.


Restoring order is part of your specific job description, and sending an army into a situation better suited to a small team is right up your alley, considering your inner circle is pretty much the elite of Thedas at the moment.

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Restoring order is part of your specific job description, and sending an army into a situation better suited to a small team is right up your alley, considering your inner circle is pretty much the elite of Thedas at the moment.


Why not send the Wardens then? They are the better group for the task.

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Why not send the Wardens then? They are the better group for the task.


Because you can disband the Wardens or can play it prior to Adamant. Thus sending the Wardens isn't an option.
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