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[SpaceV3gan]

Yeah, the video should be made, but having the top two? promoted players go through an easy HB map / faction with a full squad of the most OP kits isn't much to brag about. Way way too easy, especially when HB Demons can be solo'ed. Heck, Medallian did HB demons with PUGS. That's more of a challenge than cherry picking players and kits.

 

Mine was just uploaded because it was funny to do. It was proof of concept, not to show off anything except that you don't have to play carefully with a tanky Lego around.  We also wanted HB challenge done (even though that didn't work), and did FC Templars with double spawns on Zone 4 before that.

 

There are people upset over rejoins. It would've just taken longer. Its easy to do it without rejoining, if you cherry pick your builds. We didn't. I would've soloed the map eventually, and it would've gone faster with TTD too, only I didn't know the DC's would still spawn if the RTC was killed.

 

We could've gone for time trials, but it was with players with the wrong builds, nothing leveled up, and I'm betting my second half of the team was less geared and promoted than yours was. That was the point of my video, that you don't have to cherry pick like you do -- AND we did it with the more difficult faction.

 

Medallian played HB in a Private lobby, as far as I can recall. That doesn't take any credit away from him though. It was a great video.

 

I have been playing with this group of Brazilians everyday/night for several months. I am not cherry picking players. They just happen to be my friends.

 

I am not bringing up your video for comparison, you are. Completing HB is quite the achievement. But since people came up with the question whether it could be done without rejoins, among other questions on past threads, here is a video trying to answer a few things.

 

We will do Red templars next time. Despite having done a few before, we never did in a speedrun-esque fashion. I expect it to be harder, so you may have a point there.

 

Perhaps there seem to be a bragging tone on this thread, but the truth is: I strongly believe 16 minutes can be beaten by other teams out there as well as by my own team. It would have been faster, had some issues not happened.

[Wavebend]

No **** it can be done without rejoins.

 

People just have no idea how hard venatori/rt wave 5 can be when the entire team is underpromoted (30/30/30) / undergeared. Some people forget how hard this game can be without stats.

 

When 3/4 teammates have 600+ promotes than what was used to balance the difficulty then it's hard to be impressed..

[Spin-Orbit]

 

No **** it can be done without rejoins.

 

People just have no idea how hard venatori/rt wave 5 can be when the entire team is underpromoted (30/30/30) / undergeared. Some people forget how hard this game can be without stats.

 

When 3/4 teammates have 600+ promotes than what was used to balance the difficulty then it's hard to be impressed..

 

why make HB mode when your going to balance it with 30/30/30 stats? wasn't the higher difficulty created for the higher promoted people? Couldn't HB be designed for 100/100/100 since there are many or even higher if it  was meant for challenge to the players?

 

i don't get the logic here

[Drasca]

 

No **** it can be done without rejoins.

 

People just have no idea how hard venatori/rt wave 5 can be when the entire team is underpromoted (30/30/30) / undergeared. Some people forget how hard this game can be without stats.

 

When 3/4 teammates have 600+ promotes than what was used to balance the difficulty then it's hard to be impressed..

 

 

HAHAHAHA exactly! Well DUH.

 

I'm definitely more impressed by 'least promoted' team challenges. The teams with the fewest promotes / least gear is the most impressive, especially when the faction/map is harder. The two of my teammates wouldn't likely have enough promotions between them to even match one of yours (let alone gear / kit availablity at the time)... AND we beat the harder faction.

 

The only telling part is when the hardest faction requires the best geared. I just lowered the bar for everyone by Yolo'ing proof of concept with a Lego. If I can tank everything, then everyone else can too.

[Shiratori]

The only telling part is when the hardest faction requires the best geared. I just lowered the bar for everyone by Yolo'ing proof of concept with a Lego. If I can tank everything, then everyone else can too.

And I'm sure everyone could with the best gear and your stats as well. After all it's not like you're substantially behind SpaceV3gan. I bet you could even do a sub 16 since the bar is so low. I mean it's not just about doing it but doing It fast.

[llandwynwyn]

 

 

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[Drasca]

And I'm sure everyone could with the best gear and your stats as well. After all it's not like you're substantially behind SpaceV3gan. I bet you could even do a sub 16 since the bar is so low. I mean it's not just about doing it but doing It fast.

 

I could, but we did Templars instead. All we cared about was 'doing it' though, because we just wanted the achievement. These guys didn't actually do it all that fast though, and SpaceVegan admitted it.

[Spin-Orbit]

I could, but we did Templars instead. All we cared about was 'doing it' though, because we just wanted the achievement. These guys didn't actually do it all that fast though, and SpaceVegan admitted it.

so if you to do it faster do it and time it if not then move on instead of trolling what they did? seems like a really silly argument, true epeen

[Wavebend]

why make HB mode when your going to balance it with 30/30/30 stats? wasn't the higher difficulty created for the higher promoted people? Couldn't HB be designed for 100/100/100 since there are many or even higher if it  was meant for challenge to the players?

 

i don't get the logic here

 

Decision made by the team. When someone in the team creates content it needs to be accessible to most players. There won't be anything harder than HB for this game

[Kyo Yagami]

How about Red Templars?

Done:

 

http://forum.bioware...n-red-templars/

[themageguy]

Great work!

im hoping they release an elven warrior (fenris perhaps) and an elven rogue- would love to roll an elven team lol

[Pork]

so if you to do it faster do it and time it if not then move on instead of trolling what they did? seems like a really silly argument, true epeen

Drasca always does this. Makes statements trying to belittle people and claims he can always do better but is never able to back them up with anything. Look at how snakebite utterly destroyed him in the thunderdome after drasca talked so much smack.

[Proto]

When 3/4 teammates have 600+ promotes than what was used to balance the difficulty then it's hard to be impressed..

 

How can you knock them for having high promotions? They play together and obviously have earned them. My guess is if you gave them all 75/75/75 they could do it as well. It would just take longer and a different strategy. Obviously promotions impact the strategy used. In this case 3 mini-elvis...

 

You guys need to quit discounting an accomplishment of a time like that just because "OMG PROMOTIONS"

 

They are doing the best they can with what they have available, and as a result have attained a damn good time.

 

Well done guys!

 

Drasca, in all seriousness, have you completed a HB game in less than double the time in this video? 32:22? I don't think so or you probably would have posted it.

[Wavebend]

They are doing the best they can with what they have available, and as a result have attained a damn good time.

 

That's just wrong, lol. They're certainly not maximizing damage output and completion time as a result suffered a lot. Team composition was suboptimal given the number of promotes. Their strategy was nothing more than free-for-all with no coordination whatsoever.

 

I'm not flaming on space because clearly OP was the one bragging, not space.

[Proto]

That's just wrong, lol.

 

I'm not flaming on space because clearly OP was the one bragging, not space.

 

As a first vid/recording without any other reference point, I was pretty impressed...sure it can be improved upon. But whats the fun in starting off with the best possible time?

 

PS. I never considered Medallian's or Drasca's as quick completions. 

[Wavebend]

As a first vid/recording without any other reference point, I was pretty impressed...

 

Fine, but I'll stick to my opinion. I wasn't impressed and I thought this was a bragging thread, hence why I was overly aggressive in some of my replies.

[Drasca]

As a first vid/recording without any other reference point, I was pretty impressed...sure it can be improved upon. But whats the fun in starting off with the best possible time?

 

PS. I never considered Medallian's or Drasca's as quick completions. 

 

Yet, they weren't intended to. They were just proof of concept.

 

Fine, but I'll stick to my opinion. I wasn't impressed and I thought this was a bragging thread, hence why I was overly aggressive in some of my replies.

 

Me too. This is clearly a bragging thread, so they deserve the criticism they get.

[Pork]

Yet, they weren't intended to. They were just proof of concept.

 

 

My game here was pure Leroy.

 

 

K

[Proto]

Me too. This is clearly a bragging thread, so they deserve the criticism they get.

 

So your Leerooy Jenkins vid was proof of concept without any epeen, while theirs is completely epeen?

 

Get off your high horse man. 

 

They're certainly not maximizing damage output and completion time as a result suffered a lot. Team composition was suboptimal given the number of promotes. Their strategy was nothing more than free-for-all with no coordination whatsoever.

 

I'm not flaming on space because clearly OP was the one bragging, not space.

 

Agreed it was pretty much a free for all with little coordination. Like I mentioned I'm sure it can be improved upon. Space even pointed that out. 

[Drasca]

So your Leerooy Jenkins vid was proof of concept without any epeen, while there's is completely epeen?

 

Get off your high horse man.

 

 

This post clearly says brag. Mine clearly was in response to wavebend's post about playing HB carefully, and lowering the bar for HB.

[Kyo Yagami]

That's just wrong, lol. They're certainly not maximizing damage output and completion time as a result suffered a lot. Team composition was suboptimal given the number of promotes. Their strategy was nothing more than free-for-all with no coordination whatsoever.

 

I'm not flaming on space because clearly OP was the one bragging, not space.

 

I tried to do a "Joke Thread". Dude, I even died there. If you could understand what I said in the video I almost started to cry when I went down xD

 

The purpouse of the video was to try to do it as fast as we could while we enjoyed the game. 

 

But I really want to see other people with better strategies beating our time. I really want to see someone doing in 9 minutes, and I want to see the video in order to learn how to play better.

[Wavebend]

But I really want to see other people with better strategies beating our time.

 

There are very, very few players (there's only Medallian on BSN) who have as many promotes as some of your teammates. You can hate on Drasca as much as you want, but he doesn't have as many promotes and/or friends who do, so asking him to beat your time is not really fair.

 

You don't need to see videos in order to learn how to play better, though. The SS is a single-target monster, but you can experiment with the reaver as well. You're a lower promoted player, so go for an Arcane Warrior, specced with PotA and Dispel. Manage Line of Sight, group all the enemies together and coordinate with the reaver to bring down entire groups quickly. If you find that that doesn't work well, try something else. If you want to stick with your lego then try To The Death on priority targets (Demon Commander) so the entire group can kill those faster.

[Kyo Yagami]

There are very, very few players (there's only Medallian on BSN) who have as many promotes as some of your teammates. You can hate on Drasca as much as you want, but he doesn't have as many promotes and/or friends who do, so asking him to beat your time is not really fair.

 

You don't need to see videos in order to learn how to play better, though. The SS is a single-target monster, but you can experiment with the reaver as well. You're a lower promoted player, so go for an Arcane Warrior, specced with PotA and Dispel. Manage Line of Sight, group all the enemies together and coordinate with the reaver to bring down entire groups quickly. If you find that that doesn't work well, try something else. If you want to stick with your lego then try To The Death on priority targets (Demon Commander) so the entire group can kill those faster.

 

I tried that with my Lego. I end up dying. L2P issue i think.

 

Your video could be "slower" tham our, but I learned a lot from that. So I can say that my goal has been achieved.

 

And I never hate on anyone. I think that he was trying to prove a point and maybe get lost. I dont know.

I would appreciate to play with him and learn through his advices. ^^

[Pork]

There are very, very few players (there's only Medallian on BSN) who have as many promotes as some of your teammates. You can hate on Drasca as much as you want, but he doesn't have as many promotes and/or friends who do, so asking him to beat your time is not really fair.

 

Yes it is, its totally fair. Defense stats are capped out on all players stats, as is crit chance. The only difference is willpower (drasca said himself that the stat isn't that big of a deal) and constitution. Unless SV has 200 more constitution promotes than drasca, which he doesnt, then the playing field is pretty even.

[Wavebend]

Yes it is, its totally fair. Defense stats are capped out on all players stats, as is crit chance. The only difference is willpower (drasca said himself that the stat isn't that big of a deal) and constitution. Unless SV has 200 more constitution promotes than drasca, which he doesnt, then the playing field is pretty even.

 

Pretty sure SV has 400+ willpower. Those 35k hidden blades don't come out of nowhere..