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[Reezus Christ]

Didn't they already do that in the first post of this thread?

True.

[Commander Rpg]

How can this fake metaphor of a beat 'em up end, if there isn't any confrontation with the final boss and thus the trashing he puts to the player?

[pdusen]

Bioware employees probably figure that people here won't be satisfied by any comment except "We're re-opening the Off Topic forum."

 

I can't say I disagree with that assessment.

[Fidite Nemini]

Bioware employees probably figure that people here won't be satisfied by any comment except "We're re-opening the Off Topic forum."

 

I can't say I disagree with that assessment.

 

Would I be satisfied if they came back and said the decision was final and offtopic stays closed? No.

 

That is however no reason not to come up straight and say this, certainly not after they went ahead, locked it down instantly with a generous twelve minute announcement and then fled.

 

I mean, what literally happened here is they passed by: "yo guys, offtopic is no more, have fun" -> *Zoidberg noises as they run away*

[Fredward]

On the plus side they haven't completed deleted it...

 

Yet.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

That's a dubious milestone.

 

Spoiler

 

100 pages.

[Commander Rpg]

That's a dubious milestone.

 

Spoiler

 

100 pages.

And the hilarity is that no one is moderating this thread anymore.

 

Causes

 

1 - The mods are busy (all of them) in real life

2 - The mods are dead (all of them)

3 - The mods don't care for whatever reason

 

Place your bet.

[Fidite Nemini]

And the hilarity is that no one is moderating the thread.

 

I've noticed some moderating.

 

Some of which was welcome.

[Commander Rpg]

I didn't notice, probably because it's so subtle only chosen ones can do.

[TheRealJayDee]

100 pages and no further reaction from Bioware? I get that people want something good to happen, but I genuinely doubt that the few folks in this thread still holding the line will achieve that. I'd be glad to be proven wrong, though.

 

But until anything comes from the side of BW or people give up this fight - everyone already on the new forum?! And if not...

 

Spoiler

[N7M]

I've noticed some moderating.

 

Some of which was welcome.

 

Moderation in this thread has been fair. However, if someone sees moderation as a tool that should reflect particular personal biases it's possible their perception of moderation may be skewed to favor their hypocrisies. 

 

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On a related note:

It's notable but unsurprising that after 100 pages there is hardly anyone from OT that thinks their own behavior contributed to this closure. Lots of blame heaped on BW though. 

[Kroitz]

Moderation in this thread has been fair. However, if someone sees moderation as a tool that should reflect particular personal biases it's possible their perception of moderation may be skewed to favor their hypocrisies. 

 

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On a related note:

It's notable but unsurprising that after 100 pages there is hardly anyone from OT that thinks their own behavior contributed to this closure. Lots of blame heaped on BW though. 

 

I never mentioned T or send a soul where he´s at.

 

BW on the other hand ...

 

Off-Topic was a dandy place with many fine lads and ladies. Many laughs had been had there.

 

But someday BW grinched out and stole Off-Topic.

 

[N7M]

I never mentioned T or send a soul where he´s at.

 

BW on the other hand ...

...could scuttle the ship of Theseus.

[Gravisanimi]

Yep now after Mass Effect Andromeda hype dies down (probably 12 minutes after release), they can just close the forums for good, so much easier.

[Zeroth Angel]

On a related note:

It's notable but unsurprising that after 100 pages there is hardly anyone from OT that thinks their own behavior contributed to this closure. Lots of blame heaped on BW though. 

BW closed it 12 minutes after their post.

 

Of course they're going to get blamed. It's not like the people in the OT section did anything that warranted getting it closed.

[Commander Rpg]

I think I'm starting to realize that the latest changes were really for the good of the forums. Starting to see the benefits of the decisions.

The symptoms might have vanished, but the illness is still there, and staff-moderation should have been the cure, not the amputation of the social corner.

Allow me to translate your post into an intelligible script.

 

"I think I'm starting to realise that killing the whiny kid was really good for the family. I'm starting to see there are no more moanings because the source of the moan is now dead instead of being subjected to education".

 

Mh mh.

[Kroitz]

BW closed it 12 minutes after their post.

 

Of course they're going to get blamed. It's not like the people in the OT section did anything that warranted getting it closed.

 

Guess someone in Off-Topic disliked a pony a staff-member liked.

 

Guess it was Recon.

 

[LPPrince]

Even if there were people that frequented OT that inspired BW to nuke it, why do so and leave no place for perfectly fine posters to go when they need to talk about other subjects?

[N7M]

BW closed it 12 minutes after their post.

 

Of course they're going to get blamed. It's not like the people in the OT section did anything that warranted getting it closed.

The warning was short but, to BW's credit, posts in OT can still be edited. Which makes one wonder the reasoning behind this sudden closure but leaving edits open. One possible reason : Copy-cat threads of non-issue cliquish foolishness were always a problem in the OT and peaking around the time of the closure. It's possible the sudden update lock was to mitigate this tendency in OT to more easily manage the responses to a real issue, like this closure.

[LPPrince]

Yeah, I agree. That was fundamentally my main criticism. That the idea of an off-topic section is a part of any forums.

 

Its not even like all the forum activity was in Off Topic either.

 

Off Topic had 16,718 topics and 1,387,547 posts before its sudden closure.

 

In comparison, the only games whose sections have less posts are Mass Effect(which came out in 07, pre-BSN), Dragon Age Origins(1,236,359 posts), and Mass Effect Andromeda(which doesn't count as its not even released yet).

 

Every game barring Mass Effect and Mass Effect Andromeda has more topics made in their sections. Mass Effect again is an exception being its 07 release and Andromeda is an exception because its not even out yet.

 

Naturally over time Off Topic will have more posts than a particular game's section will as its a part of the forums that will always have a reason for existing, as opposed to sections for games that over time will have less and less attention given new titles will take priorities.

 

And we're not even at the part where OT has more posts than all the games do. So what gives?

[Commander Rpg]

No, Not quite what i meant. But you're getting close. There's a point you mentioned that was accurate, There is a difference between whining uncontrollably, Which is called toxicity, and making constructive argumentative criticism. And most of the lobby users were the former, Not the latter. And some of them spread it to the gaming forums, Which was a bad thing. Some of the lobby users were good, No argument here, But the vast majority was bad. And i see now that the forums' toxicity levels have been decreased a bit since they closed it because many of the lobby users deactivated their account. Which is remarkable really because it portrays that they were only interested in the forums itself, Not the discussion of the games BioWare has to offer. Which is another reason why i think that was a proper decision. I don't always agree with the mods, And i still think the moderation system on here needs some modifications, But i have come to realize that the latest changes were actually good, Not bad. Of course every forum needs its "Lobby", Off-topic section as i suggested, But the whole thing really went out of control. Maybe sometimes later they will reopen it and things could go great. I didn't notice all of this at first because i had been spending sometime off the forums because of the same lobby users and their toxicity. But then came back to check on my groups' friends and then they happened to close the off-topic during that period and i first opposed the the core of removing the lobby idea from the forums, But as i said, I now see that it's for the greater good.

If your kid whines uncontrollably, what do yo do? Do you give him the axe or do you do your best effort to educate him?

And this is a loose comparison, since we're talking about adults.

 

Even if you have 90 mad people out of 100, would you bomb the place or would you rather try to keep it clean and keep those healthy 10? Also trying to make the remaining 90 behave, that is the staff's duty.

 

You're talking about what happened giving for certain things that you don't explain, as how this level of toxicity has come down (how? when? where? hush, "and Clopin will tell you, it is a tale of a man and a monster").

Then you say this has been done for the greater good. So you consider moderating the Off Topic, punishing the rowdy people, removing what had to be removed, modifying what had to be modified etc. a minor good? Don't you see the logic here? They haven't closed the OffTopic forum because it was "bad, ugly and smelly", they've closed it because they didn't want to spend efforts on it, as they didn't in the past.

I think it's understandable, except by ignorant people (semantically, people who ignore) and people in bad faith.

[LPPrince]

The warning was short but, to BW's credit, posts in OT can still be edited. Which makes one wonder the reasoning behind this sudden closure but leaving edits open. One possible reason : Copy-cat threads of non-issue cliquish foolishness were always a problem in the OT and peaking around the time of the closure. It's possible the sudden update lock was to mitigate this tendency in OT to more easily manage the responses to a real issue, like this closure.

 

The only copy-cat thing I've been noticing lately has been the Andromeda section's, "Something something- thoughts?" which has funnily enough annoyed me to the point of making me avoid that section just so I don't have to see it all the time.