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[Reezus Christ]

LOL. Especially in communities that are perceived as toxic by outsiders. I'm sorry I couldn't help it. 

Lol freaking exactly. 'Sup Chiraq.

[TheRealJayDee]

Okay, I had started to write a long-winded post, dissecting and addressing your post piece by piece, but then I decided to scrap it. It's not really worth my time, and it would likey lead to nothing but further dreailing the thread. We obviously won't agree on anything in this matter, so why continue this? No need to add more purely subjective toxicity... 

 

Based on your sig I'd accuse you of being a fan of the Avengers movie, maybe even the MCU as a whole, and if there still was an off-topic forum I would've liked to have a friendly chat about pleasant things like that sometime in the future. As it is I'll only advise you stand by your opinions, regardless of how unpopular they might be, but also to sometimes further reflect on them as well as on what you say, how you say it and how others might perceive it.

 

Genuinely not trying to belittle you or anything, just trying to be, you know, less toxic. No hard feelings, and all the best to you! 

[Commander Rpg]

So you're toxic if you don't understand toxicity?

 

"The charges are toxicity, prove your innocence."

"How do I do that?"

"You'd know the answer if you weren't toxic."

*You've been banned by BiowareMod57 until September 5th 2065*

 

https://en.wikipedia.../Beg_a_question

[Fidite Nemini]

Sorry for the late reply, I pretty much went to work right after posting that last comment, in case you or anyone wondered:

 

No, I never said that you're toxic, Again, I'm just saying that since you don't see it, You wont see it if i point it out. You have your own respective reasons for that I'm merely speculating to why. I never stated anything for a fact. I haven't read the entire thread to be honest to judge you properly.

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong then, but I had the impression that you argumentation hinged on the detail that people who are toxic (or any associated variation thereof) wouldn't notice it because they'd be biased in its favour and thus wouldn't recognize it as something negative.

 

Now, this is where you lost me (or where I misunderstood you equally and we just started talked on skewed perceptions of another's argumentation), because you seemed to disagree with my point that Offtopic was the least toxic section of the forum and then continued that when I asked for examples, that I wouldn't see it. I took that as you believing me to be biased as aforementioned.

 

If that is not the case, on what basis do you disagree with my assertion then?

 

Because my firsthand experience (and don't let my account details fool you, I've been lurking even before BSN was a thing, the old forum, so I've seen my fair share of what went down in this place) is that the offtopic section is a very welcoming place and especially the absence of the usual BioWare product centric discussions (which obviously went on in the ontopic sections meant that the high intensity negativity never quite reached this place and it actually served as something akin a refuge for users to fall back on when the ontopic sections ripped themselves a new one. The worst I've ever seen the Offtopic section do is getting incredibly spammy back during the BSN 1.0 but even that was more annoying than an actual hostile environment.

 

 

Now, I'm not saying Offtopic was the saint of BSN or some such, but the term toxic in its commonly used meaning is something that I would definately not use to describe it. The Character Romance section was toxic, as in you couldn't enter there and say anything that didn't go according the very strict codes of tolerated opinions among the various character fan groups, or you'd instantly bring about a flame war. That was toxic and it got nuked, deservedly.

 

The whole DAII developer bashing and the singling out of BioWare employees with some nutjobs going so far as to releasing personal data and issueing threats to them and their family's wellbeing, THAT was well past toxic and into downright criminal attitude.

 

ME3 and the whole ending debacle was toxic, though in this case I partly blame BioWare's communication strategy which really just edged most vocal people on to keep bitching.

 

But Offtopic, no. Don't see it. Though now I've given some more context on how I personally define the term toxic, so if that's where the two of us (and/or other people who chimed in on this particular topic) don#t stand on even ground, it may have clarified my stance a bit better.

 

 

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And just after posting the reply I read through the other comments I had missed and realized this whole discussion ended in a rather unfavourable situation with people getting defensive and the other assorted usual suspects of things that kill discussions.

 

I won't fault anyone who thinks simply ditching this discussion is a better, time and nerve-saving course of action.

 

 

*still waiting for BioWare response, btw*

[Fidite Nemini]

Sometimes, Me and other users i have seen, Couldn't post things without people jumping down their throats because they have different opinions. Maybe, You haven't seen that there, But i have. I didn't see it as much in the ME section as i did in the Off-Topic forums. And as I have stated, I don't play DA, So I'm not familiar with their forums.

Yes, What i was saying is that a user who's toxic would see their behavior as something that's completely normal, They wouldn't know what was the problem. That's why they won't see it, Not because they're biased. But there are other reasons. Your definition of toxicity is what i approve of, And I have seen it several times there and experienced it several times as well. I don't know why you didn't notice it.

 

Hmm, must've been limited to specific threads or users and how they interacted then, because if your and my definition of toxicty align, then I honestly can't say I've seen something like this happening in Offtopic, not in any broad scale that I would've noticed.

 

And yeah, you don't want to be frequenting the DA sections. That place can get bad pretty fast once the tempers flare up (and they do easily from what I've seen).

[bEVEsthda]

I'm still hoping the Community Manager actually figures out that the problem is lazy moderators and not toxic forums.

 

I doubt very much that the problem is "lazy" moderators. More like not enough personnel resources and not wanting to spend on that.

Things took a dive when Stanley left. I will hazard to suggest that QA took a dive too, but that's just a subjective feeling.

 

This is Bioware's forums. I'd be content enough if they just said: "Look, we as a company are responsible for what is on our forums. But right now we don't have any employee who will moderate the forums on his/her own time without pay. So within our current organization we regrettably need to restructure the forums to something that takes less resources to oversee. As removing OT will only hurt the community and social cohesiveness, and not the sort of content we have any stated motive in having on our forums, it's a foregone decision: Off Topic has to be axed. We understand that this will upset people, but sadly that's how things have to be, for now."

 

I would still be somewhat upset, but it's something I'd find much easier to accept than the silence. There definitely seem to be a theory around in EA that not communicating is the best strategy. That's what it seems anyway. It could be that they don't know what to say, though.

[bEVEsthda]

Hmm, must've been limited to specific threads or users and how they interacted then, because if your and my definition of toxicty align, then I honestly can't say I've seen something like this happening in Offtopic, not in any broad scale that I would've noticed.

 

And yeah, you don't want to be frequenting the DA sections. That place can get bad pretty fast once the tempers flare up (and they do easily from what I've seen).

 

I don't find OT toxic either. I agree, the DA sections is where the conflicts have been. Naturally, as Bioware have dramatically changed the direction of that franchise two times.

 

But I do remember that Leo8 have been involved in somewhat 'rough' discussions in OT, though, so he's not making things up.

I just didn't realize that he took it quite so seriously though.

[Reezus Christ]

I doubt very much that the problem is "lazy" moderators. More like not enough personnel resources and not wanting to spend on that.

Things took a dive when Stanley left. I will hazard to suggest that QA took a dive too, but that's just a subjective feeling.

 

This is Bioware's forums. I'd be content enough if they just said: "Look, we as a company are responsible for what is on our forums. But right now we don't have any employee who will moderate the forums on his/her own time without pay. So within our current organization we regrettably need to restructure the forums to something that takes less resources to oversee. As removing OT will only hurt the community and social cohesiveness, and not the sort of content we have any stated motive in having on our forums, it's a foregone decision: Off Topic has to be axed. We understand that this will upset people, but sadly that's how things have to be, for now."

 

I would still be somewhat upset, but it's something I'd find much easier to accept than the silence. There definitely seem to be a theory around in EA that not communicating is the best strategy. That's what it seems anyway. It could be that they don't know what to say, though.

Somebody from BioWare could literally repost your 'what if' response verbatim and that would be fine. But they won't do that much. Communication is hard. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

I don't take the people seriously, But i take the mentality seriously. There's a difference.

What mentality?

[LPPrince]

Two weeks as of tomorrow.

[The Antagonist]

Y'all remind me of this

 

[Gravisanimi]

Two weeks as of tomorrow.

Oh, so we are approaching the time we should have gotten after the announcement?

[LPPrince]

Oh, so we are approaching the time we should have gotten after the announcement?

 

Hah, well a day has passed with no update for each minute of warning we were given. That much is known.

[Excella Gionne]

Are the OT forums still locked? Are they really dragging it this long? 

[Teddie Sage]

At this point, I'm starting to believe this is a situation worse than the ME3 endings. 

[LPPrince]

Are the OT forums still locked? Are they really dragging it this long? 

 

If a day short of two weeks is long, they may just have us wait an eternity.

[Commander Rpg]

If a day short of two weeks is long, they may just have us wait an eternity.

Eventually they will erase OT and do the merging without replying anything on the subject. The silent death is above all the good people.

 

[leighzard]

Two weeks as of tomorrow.

 

 

Hmph.

[PresidentVorchaMasterBaits]

Eventually they will erase OT and do the merging without replying anything on the subject. The silent death is above all the good people.

 

GRRAAAAGH! 'LIKED' FOR TESTAMENT!!!

[Commander Rpg]

Yes. And save your breath for BSN's last moments.

 

[Vez04]

BioWare those changes are nonsense.

 

This will break many peoples trust in you on these forums in the future, you have done a big mistake!

[TobiTobsen]

BioWare those changes are nonsense.

 

This will break many peoples trust in you on these forums in the future, you have done a big mistake!

 

They've actually done it all right. They've closed down the off topic board for "reasons", created this thread to segregate the complains from the rest of the forum and are now simply doing nothing. This thread is already in it's death throes and soon they will have their smaller forum without even speaking to the complainers once.

 

Just as planned...