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[Fidite Nemini]

Eh, I'm going to remind them for as long as I stick around.

 

But it sure feels different, now that we know that we aren't wanted and instead merely tolerated, as if the forum was a necessary evil to spend the least possible amount of ressources on whilst BioWare evidently prefers one-way communication like Twitter (where the 140 character limit coincidentionally also ensures their information releases can't be much more informative than "ME'A is going to be the biggest and best looking ME ever"), or use a third-partywebsite like Reddit so there's no need to pay for anything ...

 

 

Or the bottomline version of it:

If they don't welcome me as part of a community, I won't buy any of their products on good will. If I can't get my money's worth through enjoyable interactions with pleasant community, then the games' value has to suffice.

 

No pre-orders, no launch-day purchases, going to wait for player reviews and if there's any negative points coming up that matter to me, no purchase at full price and depending on how significant a point is for me, perhaps even no purchase at all, even if significantly discounted (which isn't going to happen within the first four'ish months of a game release anyway, because EA).

 

If I can't make my voice heard within their own fan-community because BioWare is ignoring me, I'm going to vote with my wallet.

 

And it's not like there aren't any other games around that I could sate my RPG hunger with ...

[Morty Smith]

I think this has increased quality of the forums.

 

Give it some time and the 300th repost of the same topic.

[Liamv2]

I think this has increased quality of the forums.   Now many of the haters are slowly leaving, because nobody waste time on just hating games(atleast i hope).

 

Just checked. The other sections are as **** awful as always.

[Vroom Vroom]

I think this has increased quality of the forums.   Now many of the haters are slowly leaving, because nobody waste time on just hating games(atleast i hope).

*Points at the multiplayer sub-forums and the ME:A forum*

 

*Says in best pirate voice* They be far more toxic than the Lobby ever was or could hope to have been.  

[N7M]

I can vouch for Lonely Book in the old off-topic days.

 

I don't know what you people gain by name-calling, really. He just expressed his opinion on the matter (and it is received negatively because AFAIK, he's the 2nd poster in 111 pages of Thread to agree with Bio's Decision in closing the OT boards)

 

So, keep it civil, otherwise, we're gonna lose reason on having a civil discussion with Bioware about the matter.

 

Also, enough of the "Toxic"... We're not. Only because we do name-callings and such? Hell, those do happen in real life too. And in many cases, that person forgets about it and drop the subject. 

And plus, this is the internet. Everywhere you'll go, you'll find trolls. And those trolls in here are represented by a veeeery low quantity of Users you would find in Off-Topic. 

 

Anyone can say what they want behind a monitor. So that's where Moderators come. Ban those people, don't lose control everytime someone calls you a "sucker" (and blah blah) because it happens, it happened and it will happen. There is no way to avoid it. See, you're just looking for the minority... Many of us here support Bioware and stand strong for the company and their upcoming games; But when ONE in, say, ONE HUNDRED Users say innapropriate things, all of those 100 users are toxic.

 

Toxic is perhaps an imprecise subject header for the many different types of behavior that might be categorized as such in trying to achieve a certain social dynamic, since some conduct might not be considered toxic in other settings. 

 

Your status indicates you moved to the vroom's Off-Topic preserve. How have things been there in terms of content and the need for moderation? A week ago there was a precautionary screen with a mandatory sign up/login.

[Vroom Vroom]

Your status indicates you moved to the vroom's Off-Topic preserve. How have things been there in terms of content and the need for moderation? A week ago there was a precautionary screen with a mandatory sign up/login.

While I am not the quoted user I will say that the need for moderation has been extremely low, so low that Liam and I have been able to handle everything ourselves. The mandatory sign up/login wasn't permanent and has been lifted since last Monday (a week ago) if I recall correctly. The reason it was done was because someone (potentially a user who liked the fact that the Lobby was deleted or from the main forum that the VSN is linked to) was threatening users, basically just waited the individual out.  Preserve is a rather inadequate term for the site though, it is indeed the Off-Topic. 

[bEVEsthda]

I must still figure who would be so self-defeating to buy EAware games again, after the treatment done to us, users-customers.

 

 

Well,..    I could well do that, I'm afraid. There's a lot I like about DA:I for instance. 

 

I do NOT like the combat. Just about everything about how DA:I combat is designed rubs me the wrong way. But combat is just a part of DA:I and you can almost entirely ignore it. If they make a DA4 that is an improvement, even just slight, on the basis of DA:I, keeps the roleplaying freedom, better, more classic Bioware storytelling, better tone,.. I'll buy it.

 

I don't think EA/Bioware have any real intention to mistreat us or insult us. It's just illogical to believe anything like that. It's more an outcome of EA's inept efforts to do damage control. Both in regard to criticism against their games and protecting their employees from bad experiences. All that is perfectly understandable, and ultimately not something to get angry about.

 

It's unfortunate. That it is. I definitely miss OT. And it's just another chapter in a long story of clumsy and failed actions by EA PR and marketing. But that prehistory also affects what they can do with any hopes of success. That is maybe why they are now trying non-communication? Regardless how successful that will be in other ways, it will at least spare their employees. That's maybe their reasoning?

[Commander Rpg]

I don't think EA/Bioware have any real intention to mistreat us or insult us. It's just illogical to believe anything like that. It's more an outcome of EA's inept efforts to do damage control. Both in regard to criticism against their games and protecting their employees from bad experiences. All that is perfectly understandable, and ultimately not something to get angry about.

 

Only a mentally ill person would purposedly displease her customers, the truth is they don't care about displeasing customers, even if it comes to fulfill their selfish "business" nature - this last thing being the worst there can be in the business world.

Yes, they are dealing with their issues the way they please, and it doesn't matter (to them) if they're making a great disservice to customers, they think you and others like you will buy their products despite of how many times they flog you; and they're flogging you hard, as they're doing to me. The difference is that I don't want to stand this treatment so, unless they completely change their way of doing things, they won't see a single cent from me.

A self-loving person would do exactly this.

 

 

It's unfortunate. That it is. I definitely miss OT. And it's just another chapter in a long story of clumsy and failed actions by EA PR and marketing. But that prehistory also affects what they can do with any hopes of success. That is maybe why they are now trying non-communication? Regardless how successful that will be in other ways, it will at least spare their employees. That's maybe their reasoning?

 

I care nothing about the reason they're acting as madcaps and ignoring their customers' needs. It's a bad reason whatever way you would put it, because the consequences are under everyone's eyes.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Your status indicates you moved to the vroom's Off-Topic preserve(...)

 

Well, not "moved"... I'm stilll here, aren't I? 

I'm still lurking around the ME Forums, but I can say that my activity here after the Lobby was closed, has diminished quite a lot, since there isn't anything more to talk about a 3 and half year game or a Game that just has a release date and people are discussing leaks and if George Bush should be in Andromeda

 

So, yeah... Nothing more here for me, but I still frequent in case some new ME players(which, IMO, are a rarity as time goes by) need any help in any subject or such, but eh... This place looks dead to me apart from the nonsense threads in ME Andromeda and people still fighting for the Lobby or discussing its closure, such as Fidite, LP, Vroom and myself...

[N7M]

Well, not "moved"... I'm stilll here, aren't I? 

I'm still lurking around the ME Forums, but I can say that my activity here after the Lobby was closed, has diminished quite a lot, since there isn't anything more to talk about a 3 and half year game or a Game that just has a release date and people are discussing leaks and if George Bush should be in Andromeda

 

So, yeah... Nothing more here for me, but I still frequent in case some new ME players(which, IMO, are a rarity as time goes by) need any help in any subject or such, but eh... This place looks dead to me apart from the nonsense threads in ME Andromeda and people still fighting for the Lobby or discussing its closure, such as Fidite, LP, Vroom and myself...

 

After taking a quick look at the vroom OT, there doesn't seem to be much offered for anyone not in the clique. The most viewed threads on the first page of OT there have content of little worth to anyone but the participants.

[LPPrince]

After taking a quick look at the vroom OT, there doesn't seem to be much offered for anyone not in the clique. The most viewed threads on the first page of OT there have content of little worth to anyone but the participants.

 

What clique? The people over there are the people that needed Off Topic between games or whenever they were burned out. Is it a surprise they're all friends? Thats like saying the ME clique and DA clique are still here.

 

There are small groups of friends that may be a bit like cliques, but the whole? Nah. The whole is a community. The kind of thing thats supposed to be embraced here.

[N7M]

What clique? The people over there are the people that needed Off Topic between games or whenever they were burned out. Is it a surprise they're all friends? Thats like saying the ME clique and DA clique are still here.

 

There are small groups of friends that may be a bit like cliques, but the whole? Nah. The whole is a community. The kind of thing thats supposed to be embraced here.

 

Over there it is 'The Community' here it was only a part of the community.  Group categorization notwithstanding the content itself is still of little value to anyone but the participants which makes that content of less worth to the general BioWare community than either of the possibly misnomered ME cliques or DA cliques. At least their conversations touch on game subjects that could inform those that play BioWare games. 

[LPPrince]

Over there it is 'The Community' here it was only a part of the community.  Group categorization notwithstanding the content itself is still of little value to anyone but the participants which makes that content of less worth to the general BioWare community than either of the possibly misnomered ME cliques or DA cliques. At least their conversations touch on game subjects that could inform those that play BioWare games. 

 

That doesn't make any sense. You're saying the subjects are of little value to those not taking part in it even though should OT still be here anyone could partake in it. Thats also not even counting the many reasons posted all throughout this thread explaining why the subjects in Off Topic were in fact necessary and helpful for giving people a break from constantly going on about the same thing incessantly or repeating themselves over and over with nothing substantial to go on about.

 

"Of less value". Come on dude. Sure a ME or DA fan is going to get more information pertaining to the game from their respective sections, thats obvious. But when they come here and stay here they can't talk about these things forever.

[OdanUrr]

I'm still waiting on someone from BioWare to come and have an amicable chat with us. Guess that's asking too much these days, huh?

[Morty Smith]

After taking a quick look at the vroom OT, there doesn't seem to be much offered for anyone not in the clique.

 

The first thing I wanted coming to this board was to belong to the clique.

 

The second was for it to exist.

[Fidite Nemini]

After taking a quick look at the vroom OT, there doesn't seem to be much offered for anyone not in the clique. The most viewed threads on the first page of OT there have content of little worth to anyone but the participants.

 

You have strange definitions of "clique" and "worth".

 

If there's nothing there that interests you, make a thread about it and see if there's other people who share that interest and whom you can talk with. That's what Offtopic was. The only clique there is in the VSN are those who shared the interest of talking about non-BioWare related stuff and wanted to continue to do so and to keep connected to the people they met during that process after Offtopic was shut down in here. If you dared to try and find out for yourself, you'd find we're a very inclusive bunch.

[Commander Rpg]

Part of that "inclusive" bunch would have benefited from the strong moderation desired by a less lazy Bioware.

I still don't forget the repeated spamming in one thread I made, despite kindly asking not to do it. Slightly more active moderators (the actual ones, back then, did nothing) would have kicked arses from those people's homes to the north and south pole all around.

 

I'm saying that maybe OT was the less problematic section, or maybe the tip of the iceberg, but people in there were certainly not very inclusive, rather needing to be virtually slapped by the authority.

[N7M]

That doesn't make any sense. You're saying the subjects are of little value to those not taking part in it even though should OT still be here anyone could partake in it. Thats also not even counting the many reasons posted all throughout this thread explaining why the subjects in Off Topic were in fact necessary and helpful for giving people a break from constantly going on about the same thing incessantly or repeating themselves over and over with nothing substantial to go on about.

 

"Of less value". Come on dude. Sure a ME or DA fan is going to get more information pertaining to the game from their respective sections, thats obvious. But when they come here and stay here they can't talk about these things forever.

 

Of less value to the general community here as opposed to the value to the participants. 

It would be so much easier to explain this with examples but maybe not as effective. 

 

Ok..

 

Breaking this down to

 

1) Participant Value

vs.

2) Community Value

 

The Participant is those individuals that contribute content to a thread and Community is the greater Community or site. 

The value is determined by the Aesthetic and Data Points.  The ideal of the aesthetic is determined by clear delineation and enforcement of the site rules guided by the site statement of Philosophy. The Data Points are provided by the Participants within the aesthetic and is Design or, in this case, value. The value being realized within the aesthetic should appeal in some form across the entire Community. In other words, in most cases, there should be something of value for everyone to take away from reading the threads within the forum under the auspice of the site's highest ideal, which is the site philosophy.

[Fidite Nemini]

Of less value to the general community here as opposed to the value to the participants. 

It would be so much easier to explain this with examples but maybe not as effective. 

 

Ok..

 

Breaking this down to

 

1) Participant Value

vs.

2) Community Value

 

The Participant is those individuals that contribute content to a thread and Community is the greater Community or site. 

The value is determined by the Aesthetic and Data Points.  The ideal of the aesthetic is determined by clear delineation and enforcement of the site rules guided by the site statement of Philosophy. The Data Points are provided by the Participants within the aesthetic and is Design or, in this case, value. The value being realized within the aesthetic should appeal in some form across the entire Community. In other words, in most cases, there should be something of value for everyone to take away from reading the threads within the forum under the auspice of the site's highest ideal, which is the site philosophy.

 

What you describe is a manual, not an interactive community.

[Reezus Christ]

While I am not the quoted user I will say that the need for moderation has been extremely low, so low that Liam and I have been able to handle everything ourselves. The mandatory sign up/login wasn't permanent and has been lifted since last Monday (a week ago) if I recall correctly. The reason it was done was because someone (potentially a user who liked the fact that the Lobby was deleted or from the main forum that the VSN is linked to) was threatening users, basically just waited the individual out.  Preserve is a rather inadequate term for the site though, it is indeed the Off-Topic. 

[LPPrince]

Of less value to the general community here as opposed to the value to the participants. 

It would be so much easier to explain this with examples but maybe not as effective. 

 

Ok..

 

Breaking this down to

 

1) Participant Value

vs.

2) Community Value

 

The Participant is those individuals that contribute content to a thread and Community is the greater Community or site. 

The value is determined by the Aesthetic and Data Points.  The ideal of the aesthetic is determined by clear delineation and enforcement of the site rules guided by the site statement of Philosophy. The Data Points are provided by the Participants within the aesthetic and is Design or, in this case, value. The value being realized within the aesthetic should appeal in some form across the entire Community. In other words, in most cases, there should be something of value for everyone to take away from reading the threads within the forum under the auspice of the site's highest ideal, which is the site philosophy.

 

In that case 80% of this forum's posts over the years should be deleted or marked for not having served "the site's highest ideal" and all posters having made those posts be moderated accordingly. That means every thread made ever.

 

Or you know, being that this is a place for us to talk about mutual interests we can all continue to do so as we did before. Especially in Off Topic, which served a purpose for Bioware fans to come together and talk about other mutual interests so as to not push us away from Bioware entirely.

[N7M]

What you describe is a manual, not an interactive community.

 

The site rules concerning naming/accusing and losing meaning in generalities makes this difficult to explain clearly. 

[Reezus Christ]

That doesn't make any sense. You're saying the subjects are of little value to those not taking part in it even though should OT still be here anyone could partake in it. Thats also not even counting the many reasons posted all throughout this thread explaining why the subjects in Off Topic were in fact necessary and helpful for giving people a break from constantly going on about the same thing incessantly or repeating themselves over and over with nothing substantial to go on about.

 

"Of less value". Come on dude. Sure a ME or DA fan is going to get more information pertaining to the game from their respective sections, thats obvious. But when they come here and stay here they can't talk about these things forever.

Why are you still humoring this dude, Prince?

[LPPrince]

Why are you still humoring this dude, Prince?

 

*shrugs* He feels differently, so I'm bouncing off of that. But I feel you.

 

By the way, your last post had me rofl

[N7M]

 

Or you know, being that this is a place for us to talk about mutual interests we can all continue to do so as we did before. Especially in Off Topic, which served a purpose for Bioware fans to come together and talk about other mutual interests so as to not push us away from Bioware entirely.

 

There are so many other places for such conversation. Vroom's included. On that note, one of the most remarkable things about this closure is how such a large part of OT moved off site en masse cohesively. It's something for BioWare and others to think about. 

Anyhow, the lack of an OT is not pushing anyone away, it's their choice to leave. Yes, I miss OT but this is still a good forum without it.