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[Puddi III]

lol "community value."

 

Here I thought I just came here to talk about stuff I like which often included BioWare games and often didn't, who knew I was doing a ****** service for humanity.

[Fidite Nemini]

The site rules concerning naming/accusing and losing meaning in generalities makes this difficult to explain clearly. 

 

Then let me just make one point as plainly as possible:

 

People join communities for the interaction. If infodumps is all they want, they read a manual, or browse a wiki. Additionally, people who interact with others on a somewhat regular basis will form connections and will try to maintain those. However since BioWare isn't releasing a constant stream of content to keep their community's focus solely on their products (plus not everyone in here is equal parts ME and DA fan), people who wish to maintain their connections through interaction will inevitably try and talk about something if interesting ontopic discussions are absent.

 

An Offtopic section is the obvious solution and adds the benefit of potentionally bringing together people with shared interests that may not have aligned if their interactive focus was limited to the games (say ME exclusive fans mingling with DA exclusive fans), because they shared other interests. That keeps them invested in the community and ultimately keeps the entirety vital.

 

The alternative with any such offtopic content not being tolerated means that any hiatus between points of interest (new games, DLCs or substantial news) is rife with inactivity leading to social connections deteriorating and thus a decline in the interactive nature of a community.

[LPPrince]

There are so many other places for such conversation. Vroom's included. On that note, one of the most remarkable things about this closure is how such a large part of OT moved off site en masse cohesively. It's something for BioWare and others to think about. 

Anyhow, the lack of an OT is not pushing anyone away, it's their choice to leave. Yes, I miss OT but this is still a good forum without it.

 

That off-site move en masse is exactly the kind of thing that should prove Off Topic served a necessary purpose and spawned great relationships and connections that Bioware should be proud of having developed here. As for the lack of OT pushing people away, thats exactly what happened. Thats why there's much less activity here from the group of people(myself included) that had reasons for not talking about DA or ME 24/7.

 

And as for this still being a good forum without it, I disagree. I find myself coming here much less because of my lack of money keeping me from purchasing the last couple SP DA DLCs, Andromeda being so far away with no information on it it'd be pointless to keep rehashing the same chatter that could amount to nothing, and following ME3's existence I don't even know if I'll get Andromeda(especially given the money issue). At the very least I could still contribute in proper ways(Discover Andromeda thread) with a place that kept me here in the mean time until I figure things out financially but now that place(Off Topic) is gone, which gives me barely any reason to post here.

 

Except to voice my displeasure with recent events.

[SlottsMachine]

lol "community value."

 

Here I thought I just came here to talk about stuff I like which often included BioWare games and often didn't, who knew I was doing a ****** service for humanity.

 

You better go make a romance thread or an inclusivity thread or maybe just fellate to a dev twitter post or else you will lose humanity points. If you lose too many you might go feral and start attacking everyone and you wouldn't want that... or would you? Dun Dun Dun.

[N7M]

Then let me just make one point as plainly as possible:

 

People join communities for the interaction. If infodumps is all they want, they read a manual, or browse a wiki. Additionally, people who interact with others on a somewhat regular basis will form connections and will try to maintain those. However since BioWare isn't releasing a constant stream of content to keep their community's focus solely on their products (plus not everyone in here is equal parts ME and DA fan), people who wish to maintain their connections through interaction will inevitably try and talk about something if interesting ontopic discussions are absent.

 

An Offtopic section is the obvious solution and adds the benefit of potentionally bringing together people with shared interests that may not have aligned if their interactive focus was limited to the games (say ME exclusive fans mingling with DA exclusive fans), because they shared other interests. That keeps them invested in the community and ultimately keeps the entirety vital.

 

The alternative with any such offtopic content not being tolerated means that any hiatus between points of interest (new games, DLCs or substantial news) is rife with inactivity leading to social connections deteriorating and thus a decline in the interactive nature of a community.

 

If this was the case it could indicate an intention to promote user turnover. With a new IP on the horizon there could a need to make space and encourage new users by dissolving the old social connections which could influence new user participation.

[Puddi III]

You better go make a romance thread or an inclusivity thread or maybe just fellate to a dev twitter post or else you will lose humanity points. If you lose too many you might go feral and start attacking everyone and you wouldn't want that... or would you? Dun Dun Dun.

 

It'll be like Akira with pudding.

 

I thought I was human too.

 

But humans get more than 12 minutes.

 

Humans get something after three weeks.

 

Preferably "sorry, that was majestically stupid, it's back open now," and yes, I am picky about the word "majestic."

 

I thought I was human, but BioWare has shown me what a monster I really am.

[TheChosenOne]

So........ no reply yet? Damn...... I guess it´s back to the real world now I suppose...

 

[Dio Demon]

lol "community value."

 

Here I thought I just came here to talk about stuff I like which often included BioWare games and often didn't, who knew I was doing a ****** service for humanity.

Puddi is a true humanitarian hero.

 

All hail Puddi.

[LPPrince]

Today marks what, week three?

[Dio Demon]

Today marks what, week three?

Yeup

 

21 days.

 

BioWare: **** the community. We want hype!

[Reezus Christ]

So........ no reply yet? Damn...... I guess it´s back to the real world now I suppose...

 

You don't actually expect one do you? Come on, fam.

[Reezus Christ]

You better go make a romance thread or an inclusivity thread or maybe just fellate to a dev twitter post or else you will lose humanity points. If you lose too many you might go feral and start attacking everyone and you wouldn't want that... or would you? Dun Dun Dun.

I understood this reference.

[Liamv2]

If this was the case it could indicate an intention to promote user turnover. With a new IP on the horizon there could a need to make space and encourage new users by dissolving the old social connections which could influence new user participation.

 

So **** old fans we need want new ones. As if the game industry's obcession with that nonsense wasn't too much already.

[bEVEsthda]

After taking a quick look at the vroom OT, there doesn't seem to be much offered for anyone not in the clique. The most viewed threads on the first page of OT there have content of little worth to anyone but the participants.

 

There is a miniscule of basis here, as I also found nothing interesting going on at the vroom OT. ...As of yet!

But that's always true for someone. So what is supposed to be the point?  "Clique"? It should be obvious to every sane person that this is how the world works. If you're not interested, you're not interested.
And one would have thought "Off Topic" was self explanatory".

[bEVEsthda]

Over there it is 'The Community' here it was only a part of the community.  Group categorization notwithstanding the content itself is still of little value to anyone but the participants which makes that content of less worth to the general BioWare community than either of the possibly misnomered ME cliques or DA cliques. At least their conversations touch on game subjects that could inform those that play BioWare games. 

 

 

Of less value to the general community here as opposed to the value to the participants. 

It would be so much easier to explain this with examples but maybe not as effective. 

 

Ok..

 

Breaking this down to

 

1) Participant Value

vs.

2) Community Value

 

The Participant is those individuals that contribute content to a thread and Community is the greater Community or site. 

The value is determined by the Aesthetic and Data Points.  The ideal of the aesthetic is determined by clear delineation and enforcement of the site rules guided by the site statement of Philosophy. The Data Points are provided by the Participants within the aesthetic and is Design or, in this case, value. The value being realized within the aesthetic should appeal in some form across the entire Community. In other words, in most cases, there should be something of value for everyone to take away from reading the threads within the forum under the auspice of the site's highest ideal, which is the site philosophy.

 

 

A game developer's forum ultimately has a purpose. It serves something. But that something is certainly not one individual's convoluted and confused interpretation of the forum's "Our Philosophy" - as phrased at the beginning of 2014, and since ignored by the forum owners themselves - nor any other's interpretation.

 

It's the other way around. The "Our Philosophy" is also supposed to serve something.

[bEVEsthda]

If this was the case it could indicate an intention to promote user turnover. With a new IP on the horizon there could a need to make space and encourage new users by dissolving the old social connections which could influence new user participation.

 

This reasoning could have some merit,.. - if there was any hope of synchronizing it with the real world. EA marketing is funny that way.

 

I can understand if they dream of customers that are less hostile, but wouldn't the path to that start by stop infuriating their customers at every other moment?

[bEVEsthda]

So **** old fans we need want new ones. As if the game industry's obcession with that nonsense wasn't too much already.

 

 

Half of it is right. They should be concerned about gaining "new fans". The potential market for entertainment software is much, much larger than as currently targeted. By a magnitude.

 

It's the execution that is insane. You should cultivate groups of fans that are peripheral, and have different and larger interests than endless zip-zap-kaboom blinding fireworks of kill-drivel. Not get rid of them. Getting rid of customers has never increased sales or improved the worth of a brand name.

 

They tailor every game for the very same inbred and cohesive market. A market that has no growth potential and limited finances. Every time they buy a franchise which is not, they ruin it by remaking it. ...- And then they dream of "new users"?

[Liamv2]

Half of it is right. They should be concerned about gaining "new fans". The potential market for entertainment software is much, much larger than as currently targeted. By a magnitude.

 

It's the execution that is insane. You should cultivate groups of fans that are peripheral, and have different and larger interests than endless zip-zap-kaboom blinding fireworks of kill-drivel. Not get rid of them. Getting rid of customers have never increased sales or improved the worth of a brand name.

 

They tailor every game for the very same inbred and cohesive market. A market that has no growth potential and limited finances. Every time they buy a franchise which is not, they ruin it by remaking it. ...- And then they dream of "new users"?

 

Oh i'm fine with new fans. New fans are great if I like something I obviously want more people to do it. It's like the whole reboot a game with the same name as the original but make it nothing like the old games thing that has become super popular nowadays.

[Fidite Nemini]

If this was the case it could indicate an intention to promote user turnover. With a new IP on the horizon there could a need to make space and encourage new users by dissolving the old social connections which could influence new user participation.

 

That seems to be the most likely explanation.

 

We're toxic after all, and communities like Reddit that downvote most criticism and endlessly shower BioWare with praise are a much more attractive community to have. That much is already clear as it gets. Cutting out the percieved cancer of the old community would be a logical step in that process.

[bEVEsthda]

... communities like Reddit that downvote most criticism and endlessly shower BioWare with praise are a much more attractive community to have.

 

Reddit won't work out for EA/Bioware, if they can't manage to change their nature. Lol. But it does offer two significant advantages. They can manipulate it, and they can abandon it, leave, in a jiffy.

 

But to be fair to EA/Bioware, I suspect the primary motive for using Reddit and Facebook is to be more present for 'the connected generation'. It's a marketing move, that is possibly also more in line with their staff's personal habits. It doesn't explain or excuse their behavior though.

[LPPrince]

Reddit won't work out for EA/Bioware, if they can't manage to change their nature. Lol. But it does offer two significant advantages. They can manipulate it, and they can abandon it, leave, in a jiffy.

 

But to be fair to EA/Bioware, I suspect the primary motive for using Reddit and Facebook is to be more present for 'the connected generation'. It's a marketing move, that is possibly also more in line with their staff's personal habits. It doesn't explain or excuse their behavior though.

 

You'd think they'd try to integrate these social media outlets with the forum in some way. Like instead of these big ass twitter threads we'd have a live twitter feed so we on the forum know the moment a tweet is made without having to leave the site. Or a Facebook updates feed for the same reason. Links to tumblr and reddit pages.

 

But do we have any of that? We're locked off from the "outside world" as it were. Bioware offers zero avenues for the forum to work together and connect with other locations where Bioware would apparently prefer to be. We're just expected to up and leave the forum to go to these other places for news instead of it being shared here.

[Fidite Nemini]

You'd think they'd try to integrate these social media outlets with the forum in some way. Like instead of these big ass twitter threads we'd have a live twitter feed so we on the forum know the moment a tweet is made without having to leave the site. Or a Facebook updates feed for the same reason. Links to tumblr and reddit pages.

 

But do we have any of that? We're locked off from the "outside world" as it were. Bioware offers zero avenues for the forum to work together and connect with other locations where Bioware would apparently prefer to be. We're just expected to up and leave the forum to go to these other places for news instead of it being shared here.

 

If there's anything the past has proven to us without doubt is that BioWare has terrible communication strategy. Which is something that could relatively easy remedied, but alas ...

[Commander Rpg]

You'd think they'd try to integrate these social media outlets with the forum in some way.

If you weren't a soulless company with the sole objective of making money despite every sane reason, yes. You would think that.

[Puddi III]

Even if their goal was only making money, driving away some of their longest-standing customers is a pretty nonsensical thing to do.

 

Oh wait, this guy has me blocked. lol.

[TheChosenOne]

You don't actually expect one do you? Come on, fam.

 

You´re right.... We are nothing to them