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[LPPrince]

Well I finally caught up to the thread about one of the things I said I would leave Bioware's site for.

 

And yes, this change has cost them money, I would have probably bought ME:A if it looked decent, but with this they lost me as a customer.

 

I'll be sticking around occasionally until I round up some PM's I still have around here, and I'll be moving to VSN.

 

Oh well, they done ****ed up.

 

See, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. The kind of community splintering this does. "Stronger"? Suuure.

[Dio Demon]

but with this they lost me as a customer.

 

BioWare believes that losing you as a customer will improve the community.

 

**Mod Edit**

[Sunnie]

To answer a few questions:

 

We are continuing to look at other changes to the forums (such as changes to groups) and ways we can improve the community as a whole, but nothing has been set as of yet. We want to see how these initial changes go first, and will decide what to do next from there.

Haven't you guys done enough damage already? Do any of you realize just how many groups were destroyed when you transitioned from the BSN to this forum with all the new rules and policing of private groups?

 

Seriously, enough already.

[LPPrince]

I wonder why they didn't try recruiting some trustworthy forum members to privately talk with them and give them advice on how to improve things around here.

 

Private Skype calls, a private forum section, there are ways to go about this that would be proactive and helpful.

[Lady Artifice]

Three cheers for Vroom Vroom.

 

I'm still ticked off. 

[Lady Artifice]

I wonder why they didn't try recruiting some trustworthy forum members to privately talk with them and give them advice on how to improve things around here.

 

Private Skype calls, a private forum section, there are ways to go about this that would be proactive and helpful.

 

It's a bit of a rude awakening. They knew exactly how this would be received, how much it might make even the most reasonable members of the BSN angry. Clearly, they don't care. 

[LPPrince]

It's a bit of a rude awakening. They knew exactly how this would be received, how much it might make even the most reasonable members of the BSN angry. Clearly, they don't care. 

 

I know I do. I didn't post here over 50,000 times to see a necessary part of this forum get unceremoniously closed as an experiment. 

[Gravisanimi]

See, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. The kind of community splintering this does. "Stronger"? Suuure.

I mean sure, stronger in that everyone is the same and only talks about their games, next will be eradication of groups, signatures, profile images, usernames.

 

All in the name of making a more united community.

[panamakira]

Well c'mon guys, I don't see an issue about removing off topic. This is a Bioware ran forum. I'm more concerned about removing the spoiler forums. We'll see how that goes!

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I wonder why they didn't try recruiting some trustworthy forum members to privately talk with them and give them advice on how to improve things around here.
 
Private Skype calls, a private forum section, there are ways to go about this that would be proactive and helpful.

It's not about "improving the community" or even about saving on bandwidth. I think this simply boils down to wanting to kill forum activity so that they dedicate less resources on moderating it. On social media, they can pick and choose who they respond to, and sites have internal reporting systems so BioWare can just ignore the crap going on there. Whereas with here, it's their forum, so they can't ignore it and need to hire people to monitor it.

I would be unsurprised if they have been angling at this ever since the forum change. Priestly noted his loathing for the Lobby and moderation policies have always slanted towards getting rid of non-BioWare oriented discussion via the most heavy handed means, even if it means splintering the community. Off-topic groups are gone, off-topic section is now gone, even the game forums are getting a reshuffle.

They simply want to make it easier on themselves to monitor and moderate the site. Hell, that's why BotMods were brought in. Volunteer Moderators demanded community engagement and some level of co-ordination, which they aren't willing to give. Who's the Community Manager nowadays? Is it still Merizan? I have no idea.

BioWare see this place as a burden, and their actions indicate that they are happy to cut the community to pieces if it means less work on their end. This is not just an overreaction to this decision, but a steady and unmistakable trend that started when the BotMods were introduced and the likes of Woo and Priestly were let go.

[LPPrince]

I mean sure, stronger in that everyone is the same and only talks about their games, next will be eradication of groups, signatures, profile images, usernames.

 

All in the name of making a more united community.

 

Didn't we watch an MLP episode about just this? How everyone's cutie marks had to be the same for them to be truly happy, until they realized that being different and some being better than others at certain things is what made them friends and what really made them happy and live life to the fullest.

[Lady Artifice]

It's been nice knowing you all.

 

No, don't go! 

 

::sobs::

[Dominus]

This comes off as an excessive version of what Jessica Merizan and Co. started a couple years ago with the removal of quite a few social features, and I'm sure this has been mentioned in, oh, the last 30 pages? Blowing up the entire Off-Topic? The only way I've been surviving between games is through Off-Topic. Quite a few gaming message boards still have Off-Topic boards without it getting carried away. But if it's under the guise of encouraging DA:I/ME posting, then I suppose that's justified? Sorry, I'm not fooled either.

Not like my words are going to change things anyways, same as last time - what I'm mentioning is just white noise if they're gung ho about pulling this off. Well, good luck keeping your core fanbase posters in the long term.

Rabble Rabble, BioWer how could you do this, blah blah devs/mods already scrolled past this yadda yadda

[LPPrince]

Well c'mon guys, I don't see an issue about removing off topic. This is a Bioware ran forum.

 

Exactly. Bioware fans talking about things not related to Bioware. Its how we pass the time together until there's something to talk about thats Bioware related. It keeps us here and keeps us interested. If Bioware can't handle an off topic section, thats on them, not us. Forum members shouldn't lose their place to connect with one another as Bioware fans of other things just because Bioware struggles to handle it. Thats weak. Bioware should strengthen up and learn to handle all of it so that this place is a good place for all of us, themselves included.

[BansheeOwnage]

Well c'mon guys, I don't see an issue about removing off topic. This is a Bioware ran forum. I'm more concerned about removing the spoiler forums. We'll see how that goes!

I guess you haven't been reading this thread then. Long story short, it does no harm while making the community stronger, and keeps people here between games and DLC. And I say this as someone who hasn't even visited the off-topic. I'm also concerned about the spoiler forums. I don't know why they think that's a good idea either.

[LPPrince]

It's not about "improving the community" or even about saving on bandwidth. I think this simply boils down to wanting to kill forum activity so that they dedicate less resources on moderating it. On social media, they can pick and choose who they respond to, and sites have internal reporting systems so BioWare can just ignore the crap going on there. Whereas with here, it's their forum, so they can't ignore it and need to hire people to monitor it.

I would be unsurprised if they have been angling at this ever since the forum change. Priestly noted his loathing for the Lobby and moderation policies have always slanted towards getting rid of non-BioWare oriented discussion via the most heavy handed means, even if it means splintering the community. Off-topic groups are gone, off-topic section is now gone, even the game forums are getting a reshuffle.

They simply want to make it easier on themselves to monitor and moderate the site. Hell, that's why BotMods were brought in. Volunteer Moderators demanded community engagement and some level of co-ordination, which they aren't willing to give. Who's the Community Manager nowadays? Is it still Merizan? I have no idea.

BioWare see this place as a burden, and their actions indicate that they are happy to cut the community to pieces if it means less work on their end. This is not just an overreaction to this decision, but a steady and unmistakable trend that started when the BotMods were introduced and the likes of Woo and Priestly were let go.

 

Jessica Merizan has been gone for a long time now, since last year. She was the last community mod of note;I don't know who if anyone replaced her.

 

And yes, I've noticed the dislike for the Off Topic section for quite some time now. Dropping closed threads in there, spending less time in there, constantly going on about how other locations like Twitter and Facebook are better places to post news than their own forums, etc etc.

 

It sucks. It really, really sucks to be a dedicated fan in THE place for dedicated fans only to have the people who make the products you're here for go on about how this place isn't fit for their goals as they slowly tear it apart or outright ignore it/abandon it/lurk it without having a positive visible presence.

 

I post here so much because of you guys, not Bioware. I post so much here because of Bioware FANS. Because THIS is where we belong. Because THIS is where we're supposed to be. Because THIS is where I'll meet likeminded people I can talk about all sorts of things with, Bioware or otherwise, united because we share a liking or love for Bioware games.

 

But in Bioware's attempts to do...whatever, we've become casualties. At least it feels that way.

[Inquisitor Recon]

"We hope to improve the community by removing the community aspect of it."

[LPPrince]

"We hope to improve the community by removing the community aspect of it."

 

I was fine with the switch from social network thing back to forum but that line REALLY does fit what happened here today.

[AresKeith]

I guess you haven't been reading this thread then. Long story short, it does no harm while making the community stronger, and keeps people here between games and DLC. And I say this as someone who hasn't even visited the off-topic. I'm also concerned about the spoiler forums. I don't know why they think that's a good idea either.

 

It's a good idea when all of the DLCs are done and people mostly migrate over to the next BW game section

[LPPrince]

It's a good idea when all of the DLCs are done and people mostly migrate over to the next BW game section

 

And have nothing to talk about because Bioware doesn't reveal anything until major shows a few years down the line. Leaving a bunch of people here wasting their time in DA and ME sections rehashing things they've talked about a thousand times over instead of having a fresh experience in Off Topic with the rest of the fans that are killing time until Bioware gives us a reason to jump in again.

[Jorji Costava]

Apparently they think dismantling the forum piece by piece will go over better than just nuking it.

I say get it over with.

Easy for me to say now that they took away the one thing keeping me here, though.

Now I won't be getting those DAI DLCs I was considering, tho, or ME:A. Just saying.

 

At this point, I think having a forum is just a token gesture for Bioware at this point; it's just about being able to say you have one, because that's something that websites for gaming companies are supposed to have. But with no news about ME:A on the horizon, there could not have been a worse time for this move if Bioware had any genuine interest in this community whatsoever (which obviously, they don't).

[OdanUrr]

And have nothing to talk about because Bioware doesn't reveal anything until major shows a few years down the line. Leaving a bunch of people here wasting their time in DA and ME sections rehashing things they've talked about a thousand times over instead of having a fresh experience in Off Topic with the rest of the fans that are killing time until Bioware gives us a reason to jump in again.

 

Pretty much.

[SlottsMachine]

Cutting a section of the forum without any warning. That's cold. 

[OdanUrr]

Do we have a Steam group?