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[Fast Jimmy]

Am I alone in the thought that we need different managers for specific parts of the community?

Like one for the forums, one for twitter, one for Facebook, one for tumblr, one for reddit, etc etc?

That way every site gets plenty of time and focus by people in charge and everything can be handled relatively swiftly and appropriately without too much of a spread.

Or is that requiring too many people?

FAR too many people.

After all, a $20 million dollar Marketting budget is strictly for Doritos product placements and IGN payoffs, not paid positions to actually be friends with these gross, gamer weirdos.

[LPPrince]

Something something damned if I do

 

That point is less that you don't post here and more that higher ups don't. Though I've been told since then that Conal is preoccupied with a convention so that explains that. Did you read my response to your other post?

[LPPrince]

Don't forget to ask them if they want to. If they don't, all those other questions are moot.

 

That goes without saying. You can't just assign someone a moderating job/role if they don't want it.

[LPPrince]

Yes, but do we want to put all the pressure of making that call on CP, or do we want to discuss option to help shorten the list at least?

I'm just trying to help.

 

What do you mean?

[Fast Jimmy]

Something something damned if I do

LOL Wouldn't the conspiracy threads have been better? Or at least more entertaining.

Again - tying back to the point I was making in that other place... you are a single dev, your comments are the life raft in the endless ocean, the lone deer on the first day of Open Season. Anything and everything you say will be dissected and devoured simply because it's been close to three days in one of the biggest forum shake up on the board in years and you're the first one to respond to any of it when it isn't even remotely your job.


That's a problem... no, that's like a DOZEN problems, all rolled into one nasty package.

Still, can't catch a break and for that, you have my sympathy.

[LPPrince]

FAR too many people.

After all, a $20 million dollar Marketting budget is strictly for Doritos product placements and IGN payoffs, not paid positions to actually be friends with these gross, gamer weirdos.

 

Jimmy, I get it, but we're trying to help here. Come on dude.

[Bryan Johnson]

That point is less that you don't post here and more that higher ups don't. Though I've been told since then that Conal is preoccupied with a convention so that explains that. Did you read my response to your other post?

But in that response you are attempting to play one employee against another, I understand the midset of doing so. However the actions that I take should have no barring on what the others do. Because a side effect of that may be that I simply stop because my actions are unfair to my colleagues. 

 

It's as if someone made the statement to me "you are no Allan", this is simply going to discourage me and possibly make Allan feel wronged by doing his actions because it is affecting someone else when that was not his intention.

[Fast Jimmy]

What do you mean?

He wants us to hand craft a list of moderators to be submitted for consideration.

[LPPrince]

But in that response you are attempting to play one employee against another, I understand the midset of doing so. However the actions that I take should have no barring on what the others do. Because a side effect of that may be that I simply stop because my actions are unfair to my colleagues. 

 

It's as if someone made the statement to me "you are no Allan", this is simply going to discourage me and possibly make Allan feel wronged by doing his actions because it is affecting someone else when that was not his intention.

 

Ahh, you're still misinterpreting my point. I wasn't trying to pit one against another, sorry if thats what it came across as, perhaps better wordage would've sufficed.

 

My point was that we have an example, namely you, of a bioware developer posting a few times on a site other than this one. And you contributed more towards helping us out there than anything we've received here.

 

I understand how that comes off as "BJ vs The Rest", but the intent wasn't to say, "BJ is better than CP" or anything of that nature. It was to say that we could use similar assistance here by them.

 

You've got at the time of me typing this...19 posts on a board that was made by people that are cross with Bioware over these decisions, feeling as if they were kicked out. Its good that you're there and talking. I'm not even there and I appreciate what you're doing for them.

 

We just wish we had the same attention here. Not necessarily from you(as that would be unfair, you should be where you want to be), but from the ones that we feel are obligated to communicate with us. Community management.

[LPPrince]

He wants us to hand craft a list of moderators to be submitted for consideration.

 

We can't do that.

[Fast Jimmy]

Jimmy, I get it, but we're trying to help here. Come on dude.

No, I'm not being negative. Just realistic. You'll get one CM and that CM will be torn between a dozen different duties than even just online engagement (with the forums being a subset of that). Anything designed would need to be a cash saving venture for Bioware, because otherwise they don't give a rip about how integrated or responsive the community is.

Now... totally volunteer moderation that didn't use the paid-bot mods WOULD save money. But you need to prove they wouldn't be partial, subjective or play favorites, something a little difficult to do. In addition, you'd need to find ways to improve the community while making it easier for Bioware to manage (i.e., something they wouldn't have to manage at all).

You've got to think of that if you truly want to have a plan that is even remotely considered.

[Bryan Johnson]

No, I'm not being negative. Just realistic. You'll get one CM and that CM will be torn between a dozen different duties than even just online engagement (with the forums being a subset of that). Anything designed would need to be a cash saving venture for Bioware, because otherwise they don't give a rip about how integrated or responsive the community is.

Now... totally volunteer moderation that didn't use the paid-bot mods WOULD save money. But you need to prove they wouldn't be partial, subjective or play favorites, something a little difficult to do. In addition, you'd need to find ways to improve the community while making it easier for Bioware to manage (i.e., something they wouldn't have to manage at all).

You've got to think of that if you truly want to have a plan that is even remotely considered.

We do have community mods (mind for the most part they havent been that active). 

[Fast Jimmy]

We can't do that.

LOL I'm aware.

[LPPrince]

We do have community mods (mind for the most part they havent been that active). 

 

Well I wish they were, hahaha. Ha. *cries*

[Fast Jimmy]

We do have community mods (mind for the most part they havent been that active).

Really? I didn't even realize that. The community mods I know (Beerfish, Euryptid) I thought had their powers purged during the transition to the new forum.

[Bryan Johnson]

Really? I didn't even realize that. The community mods I know (Beerfish, Euryptid) I thought had their powers purged during the transition to the new forum.

Bottom of the main page a link called "The Moderating Team" I am pretty sure everyone can see it.

[LPPrince]

Really? I didn't even realize that. The community mods I know (Beerfish, Euryptid) I thought had their powers purged during the transition to the new forum.

 

I mean(and I can only speak for myself here) I've not seen a community moderator actually close something or hand out a verbal warning on the forum. Even the rare time I got a message from a mod it was the Biomods.

 

Far as I can tell community mods don't exist anymore and its just the Biomod system. Which makes the impossibility of contesting a warning point/suspension/ban because a biomod account doesn't allow PMs all the more questionable.

[LPPrince]

Bottom of the main page a link called "The Moderating Team" I am pretty sure everyone can see it.

 

Oh yeah, we know about that. We just never see anyone around besides the Biomod accounts. Well thats all I see anyway. Maybe the occasional Craig appearance in the list of online people at the bottom of the main page, but I haven't run into him on the forum in any capacity.

[Fast Jimmy]

Bottom of the main page a link called "The Moderating Team" I am pretty sure everyone can see it.

I honestly thought that was just an artifact of the old system. Beerfish today said "when I used to be a community mod" in a conversation - past tense, as if that status was taken away.


Maybe it was just like so many other things around here - nobody bothered to tell them anything and they just assumed they were being kicked out?

[LPPrince]

I honestly thought that was just an artifact of the old system. Beerfish today said "when I used to be a community mod" in a conversation - past tense, as if that status was taken away.


Maybe it was just like so many other things around here - nobody bothered to tell them anything and they just assumed they were being kicked out?

 

Yeah, I remember Beerfish speaking as if he wasn't a community mod anymore. So I don't know what to believe.

[Fast Jimmy]

Yeah, I remember Beerfish speaking as if he wasn't a community mod anymore. So I don't know what to believe.

Regardless, I had to switch off the mobile site here on my phone to take a look at the list and he's not on it (though Euryptid still is, as well as Raenmaer and SeleneMoonsong, the only community mods I can remember right now).

A lot of them haven't even logged in in months. I think I saw one that has never even been on the new site (making it years). Which is fine - but doesn't that mean someone at Bioware should review who is and isn't a Community Manager...? Or were they inducted for life, never able to leave, come hell or high water?

Again... something neglected and not well understood that could legitimately make this place run smoother.

[TheRealJayDee]

I looked up the community mods I actually know that are still featured on that list, namely Eurypterid, RaenImrahl, Selene Moonsong and Ninja Stan. Selene did close a thread in Off-Topic a few months ago. The last post I found from Eurypterid was from January, and neither RaenImrahl nor Stan were even active at all this year. That's one act of moderating in 2015 from those four. 

[LPPrince]

Regardless, I had to switch off the mobile site here on my phone to take a look at the list and he's not on it (though Euryptid still is, as well as Raenmaer and SeleneMoonsong, the only community mods I can remember right now).

A lot of them haven't even logged in in months. I think I saw one that has never even been on the new site (making it years). Which is fine - but doesn't that mean someone at Bioware should review who is and isn't a Community Manager...? Or were they inducted for life, never able to leave, come hell or high water?

Again... something neglected and not well understood that could legitimately make this place run smoother.

 

Beer isn't on it.

[LPPrince]

I looked up the community mods I actually know that are still featured on that list, namely Eurypterid, RaenImrahl, Selene Moonsong and Ninja Stan. Selene did close a thread in Off-Topic a few months ago. The last post I found from Eurypterid was from January, and neither RaenImrahl nor Stan were even active at all this year. That's one act of moderating in 2015 from those four. 

 

Those are all names I haven't seen in ages. But I know Stan has been out for a long time now.

[Bryan Johnson]

Beer isn't on it.

Do you actually know for certain Beerfish was actually a moderator for certain? (did a search of the moderator forum and found 0 instances of Beerfish)

 

Edit: Ah did find an instance from 2009 where his name showed up. But given I have no idea if/why he was removed I cant comment further.