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[Aulis Vaara]

1. The Sun and The Land

Dalish lore teaches us that Elgar'nan, eldest of The Sun, was born when The Sun touched its face to The Land. Given that we now know that The Land truly does have powers of creation via the Titans, it is reasonable to assume that The Sun delivers another part necessary for living beings. What would that part be, well, my first instinct would be to say spirit/soul/emotion, but perhaps not.

Titans are said to be themselves children of the Stone, but more importantly, the Titans are both ALIVE and are said to be able to SHAPE the Stone, not to animate it. So the Stone is capable of giving form, while The Sun gives life. Is the latter magic? Well, that's hard to tell, we only know of one other living being who has been capable of creating life, and that's Ghilan'nain, and we're not even certain if she didn't just reshape existing life.

Of course, all of this may be metaphor for far more complex processes that play out over aeons, but one thing is certain: if the Stone/The Land exists, then The Sun most likely exists as well.

2. Elgar'nan

Elgar'nan was said to be the eldest of The Sun. That might mean he's the oldest living being on Thedas or it may simply mean he is the first magically inclined person on Thedas. It is hard to tell, because of a severe lack of lore regarding this god. However, it seems to me that there is some truth to his battle with The Sun. It might be literal (if The Sun is a physical entity) or metaphorical (if The Sun is a spiritual entity).

It is probably a metaphorical battle, because how could even Elgar'nan fight a being that can destroy the world by showing its face? No, it seems to me that the aspect that life most direly needed to exist besides form, was WILL. Why Will? Because it makes sense, to me. If the Stone could give form, but had no will, then it makes sense that the first time that WILL comes into contact with it, something that wants to keep being comes into existence. Something that perpetuates itself. Not only that, but it also makes sense that a being of strong Will could stand up to a being of strong Will.

This also reveals something fundamental about The Land, which is that all the things that The Land created for Elgar'nan were not of its own Will, because it never had any. Instead, The Land shaped itself according to Elgar'nan's Will. So when The Sun got angry at The Land and destroyed everything it was really jealous of Elgar'nan's creativity.

This gels with what the Chantry teaches, that spirits (except that The Sun was NOT really a spirit, but more on that later) were creatively sterile and were/are jealous of the real world.

3. Lyrium and Titans

So, Elgar'nan managed to wrestle The Sun from the heavens and throw him into an abyss. I'm not even going to pretend I know how exactly this battle was fought, but I can imagine the aftermath. The Sun is stuck in an abyss, surrounded by the Stone that forms itself exactly to his Will. And what The Sun wants most and thus wills into existence is both power and creativity. But the Stone shapes itself, and it is under no obligation to actually share those things with The Sun.

Instead, The Land builds a prison for the Sun with its newfound creativity and power. That power coalesces into Lyrium and spreads throughout the Stone and eventually forms the Titans. Or possibly this event shattered The Land into discrete entities that are in fact the Titans.

Meanwhile, The Sun is trapped in his prison underground, raging against a prison that reflects his will back at him. At least until someone begs Elgar'nan to free him, so that more sentient life can exist upon the surface. Elgar'nan obliges, but rather than setting his father free, he simply creates a reflection of his father's prison in the sky. That reflection would become known as the Golden City, over time, always there, always hovering in the sky. It is also possibly the reason why the Dragon form was reserved for the gods and their chosen ones in ancient Arlathan: to prevent others from reaching it.

4. TL;DR

Now, all of that is mythology, and I may be way off on what exactly happened, nor do I think Bioware will actually fill in those details for us. However, the important thing is that we can safely assume that The Sun exists, because The Land also exists, and that it is locked in the Golden City. We know that because Corypheus, in Legacy says that they sought the golden light. Even the Chant Of Light says that when the magisters opened up the Golden City there was a river of golden light before them. But more on that later.

5. Elvhen'an

Mythology aside, Elvhen civilization in the distant past wasn't just suddenly there, it grew. We have learned from Solas that the elves cast so much magic that there was a background magic field that new spells had to mingle and harmonize with. That background field grew over millennia adding so much to it, that with strong enough Will, people could repurpose parts of it, using it as a power source for their magic.

However, there was also a lot of magic in this field of people seeking guidance from those who were considered the wise and the powerful among the elves. This would empower these people. Subtly, at first, because those that sought guidance all wanted something different. But the more ONE aspect of these people was emphasized, the stronger they became. With one major caveat: that desire for guidance also pushed you into a role, whether you liked it or not.

Growing in power and their divine spheres becoming smaller and more specialized, they became known as the gods we know in legend. All of this did not happen all at once, it took a whole lot of time. Which means that there was already a whole civilization of elves with nobles and peasants and slaves out there. Now, if you want your all powerful ruler to be on your side, what do you do? Well, you make your slaves pray to them, of course, so that the god has more power and feels obligated to help you to keep that power. This later evolves into blood marking your slaves to "honor" your god. Also no wonder the gods fought over territory and slaves.

5. The Dwarves

Meanwhile, in the rock beneath the elven homeland the dwarves were shaped by the Titans and they in turn shaped the Stone around them, building a civilization of their own, fueled entirely by the blood of their gods. Life down there was only possible thanks to Lyrium.

Eventually, some dwarves dug too high and struck elves. The two races did not get along. According to the elves, the dwarves had no souls and no wit, which was entirely possible as in that time, they may have been part of the Titan hiveminds. No certainty about that, though.

However, the dwarves found the elves equally soulless as they had no stone-sense and no connection to their gods. The two races did not get along well at all.

It was Andruil who first noticed where the dwarves' prowess came from (i.e. Lyrium) and descended into the depths to try to find its source. It hunted the creatures that lived down there to find where it grew or came from or where to find it. When he did find it, he merged it into his armor and even began to consume it. Before this, nobody had any clue that Lyrium could be used to bolster magical power, but Andruil became so powerful and deranged, that Mythal herself had to take on a more powerful form and trap him in order to defeat him.

6. The Dread Wolf

The ordinary elves had no clue about the true goings on in the higher ranks of their civilization, but eventually a group rose up to challenge the supposed divinity of their gods. They had no real clue about how divinity actually worked, they just rejected the domination of others over themselves. But as with the other gods, all that magic and Will directed at freedom and rebellion coalesced on one especially known "rebel". Thus the Dread Wolf was well on his way to divinity and came to the attention of Mythal.

While the other rebels were cast into the Deep Roads (aka the Void, the Abyss) for their attempts at rebellion, Mythal kept the Dread Wolf close. Why? Perhaps because a mother does not like to see its children enslaved and thus shares a desire for her people to be free. Even millennia later she would still say that the People bend knee too easily.

However, with no way to free the People without murdering the other gods, Mythal and Fen'Harel instead decided to free the dwarves from their compulsions at the hand of the Titans. They hunted these pillars of the earth and destroyed them to free the dwarves.

7. The Murder of Mythal

And so we come full circle on the creation myth of the elves. Elgar'nan had already banished one family member for hurting his mother, The Land, and he would do it again. Much like Flemeth in an age yet far away, Mythal was betrayed and murdered by her husband for associating with a younger man.

Elgar'nan is called the elven god of vengeance, but Mythal clearly has the Justice/Vengeance dynamic going, while Elgar'nan sounds more like a Rage equivalent (with Valor for his spirit side?). So Elgar'nan killed Mythal for her transgressions against The Land, but somehow, the Dread Wolf managed to get away unscathed.

For Fen'Harel this was a disaster. All his rebellious companions had been locked away and forgotten and thus no longer contributed to his divinity. He was nothing but a normal mage in a deadly decadent court full of gods. And all those gods got more and more out of control. Mythal had always been the stabilizing force, the mother who keeps her children well behaved and polite.

8. Vir'Abelassan

They called it the Well Of Sorrows, and presumably it was always called that. This indicates one thing, they built it after Mythal had died, waiting for her eventual return. With Mythal dead, all that magic and Will directed at her would have been lost forever, along with all her knowledge. So the priests instead created a receptacle or a battery or whatever you want to call it, to store all of that for her eventual return. Perhaps it was already there, in part, as a way to teach new acolytes the ways of Mythal, but the full utility as it was used by Flemeth's daughter would definitely have come after.

Similar wells were created by the other priests for the other gods, after they were locked away as well. We can be certain of this for one reason, Corypheus knew how they worked.

9. Humans

It is said that humans first came from a continent north of Par'Vollen, but the truth is likely more complicated. The remnant of a mind that taught the Hero Of Ferelden the skills of the Arcane Warrior shows that at one point elves and humans co-existed and had a common enemy. However, memories from the age of the Imperium show that those humans had no idea what the elves were. That seems rather odd, but can easily be reconsiled if humans originated in multiple places.

Controversial as it may be, humans are likely the offspring of elves and dwarves, keeping the general features of the dwarven race, but chucking their size constraint out the window thanks to their other half. Some humans came from beyond Par Vollen, sure, but others had already lived among the elves for ages and and even fought beside them.

This might also explain why the humans came to worship the same or similar gods. Stories passed down from generation to generation while the native and foreign humans mixed.

10. The Veil

First, however, Fen'Harel still had to lock the elven gods away. The Forgotten Ones had already long been forgotten and locked away, but the Dalish don't remember that part.

Fen'Harel did something clever, he created a Veil, one that would separate the realm of Will, emotion, and divinity from the physical world, hopefully forever. This had the very useful side effect of separating the gods from their bodies, this was unexpected, but gave Fen'Harel a chance to lock all the gods away from those who would abuse their power. Their spirits he did not permit in the Fade, but locked them in a realm behind an Eluvian. This would not be the first time this had happened, as the locked away Pride Demon on top of sundermount could attest today if it were still alive.

Their bodies were buried deep within the earth, locked away from elves and dwarves alike. Why? Well, in order for their power not to be bled out of them and used for more destructive magic.

The Veil was a tricky thing, it could not separate the mundane world and the Fade entirely, or humans would be left emotionless automatons as the dwarves had once been, and thus the Fade was allowed to bleed through into the real world like a semi-permeable membrane. Down the line this would mean that spirits could interact with the world much more easily than the world could interact with the Fade.

With a complete change for how their world worked, the elven empire could only collapse, while the emergent dwarven civilization bloomed. Some of them would want to help the elves, but others remembered what the elves had done to their gods and would destroy any thaig that dared help their worst enemies.

11. The Tevinter Imperium

The Tevinter imperium did some damage to the decimated elves, that much is true, but not before learning just how much power the elves had at their fingertips. Thus began the search for any elven artifacts that could grant insight into their magic and culture. With other humans still worshipping the same gods as the elves and whispers that they truly existed, it was only a matter of time before Tevinter stumbled upon their temples.

A lot of fighting later, one of the first high priests would lay claim to one of the Wells Of Sorrows. Which one is largely irrelevant but what is important is that the Tevinter didn't know all that much about elven culture. So they got a lot wrong, including the actual names of the gods.

Dirthamen became Dumat, Andruil became Andoral, etc. What they did mostly get right was what those gods stood for, but then again, with the Wells embodying the Will of the last of each god's elven priests, that was hard to get wrong.

One thing that the elves did not anticipate was such a Well in mortal hands. It was meant for their gods and their gods alone, which is to say, a Well's power is not infinite. For the first priests of "the Old Gods" the Wells whispered much knowledge into their minds. There were no gods to claim the priests' allegiance, so the curse of obedience was too subtle for the humans to notice at first. It would only be later priests who would suspect, and only Corypheus would ever know for certain.

Armed with new knowledge the priests passed their knowledge and goals on from generation to generation, until there finally came a time when the Well stopped working. The priests took this as silence from the gods, unaware of what the Wells actually were. Nevertheless, they were still driven by the curse to do everything in service to their masters and thus the very foolish plan to enter the Golden City was created.

This plan was hatched by the acolyte of Dumat, formerly known as Dirthamen, which likely means that entering the Golden City was never about freeing the Old Gods or claiming power, but about satiating the lust for secrets of a long dead god. This is given some credence by the assumed truth that Corypheus had to convince the other Magisters to aid him.

12. Corruption

As I've stated before, the Golden City was only a pale reflection of The Sun's true prison. I'll not presume to know how it actually worked, but by creating the Veil, Fen'Harel accidentally cut off some part of The Sun. Much like Lyrium is the blood of Titans, so too is the Taint the blood of the Sun. This corrupted not only the Golden City but also the Stone or Lyrium around The Sun's actual prison.

So, how come the Golden City didn't go black the second the Veil was raised? Well, that has everything to do with the remnant of The Sun still being in there. Corypheus explicitly says that "they sought the Golden Light" and even the Chant declares that as they opened up the gates of the Golden City that there was a river of golden light before them. That light bled out quickly once the door was opened and left only the darkness.

Now, even having become darkspawn, the Magisters had no desire to create more of themselves. They took the powers for themselves! So how is it that there even are Darkspawn, and where did Blighted Lyrium come from? Those are easy enough questions to answer if we look at Corypheus' second attempt to enter the Black City.

First of all, the Magisters needed a lot of power to enter the Golden City, in the form of Lyrium and blood. Blood was easy to attain in the empire, but Lyrium was most easy to procure from the Dwarves. It was thus in a dwarven thaig that the Magisters worked their ritual. That thaig would house claws of Dumat for the sacrifices and was even rich in Lyrium veins (the true nature of Lyrium long forgotten by now). The dwarves helped because it was a way to get back at the elves and because the Imperium and the dwarves were good buddies.

However, nobody likes to admit they **** the bed, and even fewer would admit they created their own worst nightmare. It was the presence of dwarves in the Thaig that created the first ghouls. Opening a breach into the Black City spreads the Taint. This was evidenced by the corrupted Lyrium at the Temple Of Sacred ashes and probably held true for this Thaig as well.

So why aren't there any darkspawn in that Thaig any longer? Well, given that the corruption also managed to make some (dead? Lyrium addicted?) dwarves into the Profane, the two groups may not have gotten along. And if you have to bet on who will win between stony dwarves and fleshy dwarves, always bet on the stony dwarves. Nevertheless, the ghoulish dwarves got out and at least one of them became a broodmother.

13. The Song

Anybody can hear Lyrium sing, but the dwarves and spirits are much better at it. On top of that, someone (Cole?) said that the song of the darkspawn sounds "wrong" somehow. That means that the song of Lyrium sounds right. It therefore seems likely to me that the song that the darkspawn hear is in fact the song of corrupted Lyrium.

So why is that song being transmitted through the Taint? Well, that's because the Taint makes all its carriers part of some hivemind and the song is thus not part of the Taint but merely transmitted through it. Further evidence for this is that beneath the Western Approach there is a place where that song is so loud that it shakes the very ground around it.

One might think that the song originates from a corrupted Titan, and you would not be too far off. However, remember that The Sun was dropped into an abyss by Elgar'nan. The Western Approach has the Abyssal Rift and an area that is more corrupted than any other we have ever seen. It is likely that beneath the sands of the Western Approach is not the prison of an Old God, but in fact is the prison of The Sun itself, that has corrupted the Lyrium all around it and causing said Lyrium to emit the song it does.

14. Darkspawn drive

The drive for the Darkspawn to find the Old Gods and to free them might not be their actual drive. Instead, they are looking for a specific Old God: Lusacan, who in Elvhenan was known as Elgar'nan, because the Taint is the essence of The Sun and The Sun really wants revenge. Once they have Lusacan, they will in fact start to dig to free The Sun.

Alternatively, the Darkspawn don't have any drive to free the Old Gods at all, but only stumble upon them by accident while they actually dig to free The Sun, which they only fail at because of the hostile environment they encounter when they get close. Also possible that that hostile environment is completely due to a forgotten sect of Darkspawn shapers (now that we know that they can actually Shape the Stone).

There is also hinted to be a strong connection between the Old Gods and their Magisters. This makes sense if the Magisters actually partook of the Wells that belong to them. But the connection is deeper, a Magister can only be imprisoned in the bones of his Old God, for instance. That is very strange. But perhaps this connection is the real reason why the Darkspawn dig for the Old Gods. They are driven to do so because the curse that ties the Magisters to the Old Gods is shared with all Darkspawn through the hivemind that is the Taint.

Perhaps it is a combination of all three.

Given the strong connection and the fact that we know that The Architect Of Beauty woke up the Old God of Beauty, it is also exceedingly likely that only the appropriate Magister can wake up his Old God. Why? That is unknown, but it might have something to do with the fact that a vessel with Archdemon blood cannot be possessed by another Archdemon.

15. Andraste and beyond

There is a lot of Sun motif in Andrasteanism and derivations. While some of these can easily be explained by Andraste being burned at the stake, but others are harder to justify. The Sunburst Throne for instance, makes more sense if the view of the Maker at one time corresponded with an image of The Sun. Standing with "The Light" also takes on more significance when that is "sunlight" against the darkness of the Void (which clearly meant Lyrium, once upon a time).

Another notable mention should go to the Order Of Fire Promise, that thinks that the world will end in fire to make way for the next one. Something that has already happened once and something that has a fair chance of being the actual goal of The Sun.

Given all this information it is very reasonable to assume that at some point, The Sun will become a major player in Thedas once again. Who will stand in his way will yet remain to be seen, but with any luck, Elgar'nan will awake and direct his fury toward his father once more.

16. Addenda

A1. Spirits, Demons, and Gods

So, what do I think spirits, demons, and gods are? That is a simple enough question. As I have stated in my theory, I think that one of the two primordial forces of creation was Willpower. As such, Will carries the power of magic and can reshape or reinforce the world if you can combine a strong Will with a power source (even Templars do this!). Your will can be directed at a person and add to their own, much like a mage can put a buff on an ally. When a lot of people do this to one being, that being will not only become more powerful, but also become constrained to how those people see that being. E.g. if a lot of people direct their will at you because you are a proponent for justice and those people want justice, then it will become a lot harder to be an avatar for justice. This purpose can be twisted, however, to keep the power coming but turning it toward a darker purpose. For instance, Anders turning justice into vengeance (vengeance is a form of justice, just not a constructive one).

Now, this would make any avatar of these virtues godlike. In modern Thedas this coincides more with spirit possession a la Wynne, but in Arlathan because of the longevity of the elves and the more direct impact of Will upon the world due to a lack of Veil, this made it so that certain people could become veritable gods. We see partial evidence of this with the Avvar god of winter and war, which could not attain the same power as a true god because of the Veil.

After the creation of the Veil and the disappearance of real, immortal avatars, all this Will began to coalesce in the Fade, the more benevolent Wills, directed at helping people would become spirits, while the darker Wills that wanted to harm others would turn into demons. This is why a goddess like Mythal shows the same dichotomy of Justice/Vengeance that spirits do.

A2. The Fade and Dwarves

So, I've already established that I think the Veil was designed so some bits of the Fade could still bleed through into the real world. This so that elves could still be Willful beings capable of shaping their own destiny. But then why can't the dwarves access the Fade? Well, I'd say it is because the dwarves were not made to be Willful, not on their own. They don't gain their Will from the Fade, they gain it indirectly from the Titans/The Land/Lyrium. This would mean that The Titans do dream.

The Titans dreaming would handily explain why the Fade is so filled with raw rock, rather than the manmade paths, floors, and roads you would really expect in a realm that reflects the minds of people. And it also handily explains why we can sometimes see things related to the dwarves in the Fade despite that they don't dream.

A3. The Elven Gods and Dragons

I've already stated that I hope that Elgar'nan would stand against his father once more, but that of course would mean that I think he would still be alive that point. Let's assume for a moment that killing the body of an elven god kills him/her, even when their divine spark is separated from it. That certainly seems to be the way Mythal's murder was treated.

I also subscribe to the theory that the Old Gods are in fact the bodies of the elven gods. Why? Because an inscription in the temple of Mythal indicates that the form of a dragon was reserved for the gods and their chosen. We also know that Mythal especially was associated with a dragon and that her chosen vessel can easily transform into one. We also know that those who tried to take that ability for themselves were severely punished. It is also speculated that dragons predate the world, but given the tendency for every human institution to erase elven contributions to the world, I would actually guess that ALL dragons actually descend from the elven gods, which might help explain their power.

So, all that would mean that I think Elgar'nan is still alive, as is his body. That means Elgar'nan is NOT Dumat. And he never was. In fact, there are so many hints that Dumat is Dirthamen that anyone who says otherwise just looks like a stubborn mule anymore. Ok, evidence: we visit a temple of Dirthamen in the game. Dirthamen has two ravens, Fear and Deceit, while Corypheus has the service of a Fear demon (the Nightmare) and a Deceit demon (Envy), Envy even helpfully shows up as a raven in his mission. Both Dirthamen and Dumat are built around the theme of Silence. And Dumat was said to be responsible for teaching the Secret of Blood Magic to the ancient Tevinter Magisters. Do I need to go on?

So, that makes Dumat Dirthamen, what about the others? Well, this is how I would match up the elven gods with the Old Gods based on the sounds of their names alone, and next to that is how I would match them up based on their divine spheres.

Dumat - Dirthamen - Dirthamen
Conductor of Silence
Read the paragraphs above for why these two are the same.

Zazikel (Chaos) - Falon'Din - Andruil
Madman of Chaos
See the Andoral entry for the full explanation for this one.

Toth (Fire) - June - June
Forgewright Of Fire
Well, this one needs no explanation, I think. Most obvious one of the lot.

Andoral (Slaves) - Andruil - Falon'Din
The Appraiser of Slavery
Andoral certainly sounds a whole lot like Andruil, but his sphere of influence seems to fit a whole lot more with he story of Falon'Din where he wanted to amass more and more worshippers as blood sacrifices and so on. Similarly, from what we know, we would associate Zazikel's chaos more with Andoral's Void/Lyrium induced madness. Perhaps the ancient Tevinters made a mistake in interpreting what the whispers told them? Zazikel is one of the names that is furthest off from its elven equivalent, but Andoral is one of the closest. The Tevinters did not speak elvish, so they could only emulate what they heard and got some things wrong, I think. Perhaps Andruil and Falon'Din had a strong rivalry going near the end, and thus their priests would instill a warning against the other gods in the well first. Thus the names the Tevinters heard were not those of their respective gods, but of their enemies. Something to consider.

Urthemiel (Beauty) - Ghilan'nain - Ghilan'nain
Architect Of Beauty
Given that Ghilan'nain created the Halla, she is quite literally an architect of beauty.

Razikale - Sylaise - Sylaise
The Augur Of Mysteries
Not sure of Sylaise could be seen as an Augur, but she did teach the elves the mysteries of child birth, medicine, and weaving.

Lusacan (Night) - Elgar'nan - Elgar'nan
Watchman of Night
According to elven lore, Elgar'nan created the night by casting The Sun into the Abyss and he certainly seems to be protective of his mother. Watchman might be a very appropriate title here.

As you can see, there are only two gods who really give issue here, which are Zazikel and Andoral. It should also be mentioned that upon taking in the Well, the Inquisitor also doesn't magically know about all the elven gods and doesn't even know he's standing in front of the god of the Well until she tells him. So it makes sense that the Tevinter Magisters made mistakes.

More importantly, if the order of the Old Gods is maintained, then Elgar'nan will be the last Old God woken. Unlike the others gods, the darkspwan will not succeed in corrupting him and he will in fact be able to help against The Sun. I have no basis for that, though, it's just a feeling.

A4. Humans

I think I've already mentioned before that I believe that humans came from dwarves and elves. Why do I think that? Well, we know in modern thedas that if elves and humans have a child, tht the child will look human. However, there is one exception that complicates matters: Feynriel. He looks quite a bit elven, even as a human, though he does have human ears. He also has access to a talent that was long thought lost: dreaming. I don't think that's a coincidence.

I think Feynriel is the way he is because he is a bit closer to the ancient elves than the modern elves are, which would mean that for any mixed marriages with ancient elves there would actually be elven traits passed one. One of those traits would be height.

My gut tells me that humans in Thedas did not come from any one place, unlike the stories told in game would have you believe. To this end, humans need an origin story that can easily be repeated. Mixed marriages seem a good choice there. I could be entirely wrong on this though.

A5. Scaled Ones, Kossith, Qunari

The carvings you can collect seem to hint that the Qunari already were around during the time of Elvhenan. This seems entirely possible, especially when you know that some elves were convicted for trying to attain a dragon form.

But what then of the Scaled Ones mentioned in DLC, who also seem to be linked to drinking dragon blood as per Cassandra's revelations about reavers. The Scaled Ones also looked like they came from Tevinter, something that doesn't fit with elvish kossith.

Well, what if drinking too much dragon blood has different effects on different races? When elves (at least ancient ones) drink too much dragon blood, they start to evolve into qunari (intermediate stage = kossith?), but when humans drink dragon blood, they grow scales but not horns. We have little information about the qunari for now, so it is mostly guesswork. However, if the Scaled Ones and the qunari are different, then maybe we'll encounter Scaled Ones yet.

Afterword

There, I think that is everything. My theory could be wrong, of course, and I have not explained how I got to each idea because my theory is already long enough at this point. It was fun to write however, and I hope you had as much fun reading.

[NWN-Ming-Ming]

That's a lot to take in.  I'm not really sure I agree with all of it, but it's a big theory with a lot of thought behind it.  You should totally bounce your ideas off of Madrar!

[D_Schattenjager]

I think that a lot of what you have theorized would be very close to home by the time we finish DA:5

[Guildmasterron]

Really well thought out theory. I enjoyed it. I think we will find out what was the case, and what was not, sooner or later in the series.

 

A lot to ponder...

[myahele]

If the Sun is still trapped deep underground and is imprisoned by The Stone under allegiance to Elgar'nan (or not) the perhaps The Wellspring might offer us a glimpse to The Sun's prison?

 

 

Where is that light coming from deep beneath the Earth?

[Aulis Vaara]

If the Sun is still trapped deep underground and is imprisoned by The Stone under allegiance to Elgar'nan (or not) the perhaps The Wellspring might offer us a glimpse to The Sun's prison?



Where is that light coming from deep beneath the Earth?

That's a blue glow and not a golden one. The most likely source is all that blue glowing lyrium.

[The_Prophet_of_Donk]

Afterword

There, I think that is everything. My theory could be wrong, of course, and I have not explained how I got to each idea because my theory is already long enough at this point. It was fun to write however, and I hope you had as much fun reading.

This was absolutely fantastic!

I know not everything in this is going to be accurate, but like others have stated, there is A LOT of thought put into this!!!!

I hope BW sees this and hires you! lol

[ME3EndingH8er]

in The Descent there was a codex about how a dwarf dug so deep that he eventually found the sky or something and almost fell into in. Now he can't have dug to the other side of the earth as he'd die from the heat (presuming Thedas functions like a normal planet), and even if he had somehow dug to the other side of the planet, gravity would mean he'd be digging UP for that to happen, and in no way could fall into the sky. After reading this awesome theory, it got me thinking, perhaps he found the suns prison?  

[pepper]

That is amazing. Iam impressed at how well you thought this out. I mean wow. Great Theory. I think a lot of it may be right. We shall see I hope with last DLC. Really enjoyed reading it.

[Jay P]

*Snip*

Afterword

There, I think that is everything. My theory could be wrong, of course, and I have not explained how I got to each idea because my theory is already long enough at this point. It was fun to write however, and I hope you had as much fun reading.

I am admittedly a DA casual, both this post was very interesting.

If I could ask a couple questions?

How much of this is cannon lore and how much supposition?

For instance, is the sun being locked away in the earth cannon?

If the process in which you described the Elveb gods receiving their divinity cannon lore?

Again, impressive summary.

[HydroFlame20]

You remind me of someone OP lol it sounds like something they would jot down allright lol anyway its a very good theory indeed I enjoyed it.

[Aulis Vaara]

I am admittedly a DA casual, both this post was very interesting.

If I could ask a couple questions?

How much of this is cannon lore and how much supposition?

For instance, is the sun being locked away in the earth cannon?

If the process in which you described the Elveb gods receiving their divinity cannon lore?

Again, impressive summary.

Quoting the whole post is a bit much.

But no, none of this has been confirmed 100%, it just seems like a good fit with everything we do know to me.

The Sun for instance is only Dalish lore, but given that the Stone is a thing now, that the elves of old thought the dwarves were soulless, and thus that there is room for deity that gave the elven gods their 'souls', it all adds up to the likelihood that there is such a god.

As for elven divinity, that's again a guess, but since at least some elven gods seem to work similarly to spirits, it seems likely that this is how they actually work.

[Jay P]

Quoting the whole post is a bit much.

But no, none of this has been confirmed 100%, it just seems like a good fit with everything we do know to me.

The Sun for instance is only Dalish lore, but given that the Stone is a thing now, that the elves of old thought the dwarves were soulless, and thus that there is room for deity that gave the elven gods their 'souls', it all adds up to the likelihood that there is such a god.

As for elven divinity, that's again a guess, but since at least some elven gods seem to work similarly to spirits, it seems likely that this is how they actually work.

Sorry about quoting the whole post, but I'm on mobile.

And I appreciate the follow up answers.

I look forward to reading more of your posts regarding the lore.