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What I Would Do, If I Were in Charge of BSN


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Jeremiah12LGeek

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(Mostly in order.)

 

 

1. Unlock The Lobby, and restore the RP forums for the people who used them.

 

2. If someone from EA asked me to find ways to reduce site traffic because of no profits, I would say this:

 

"You do not understand the value of these forums because they aren't quantifiable to you. You are looking at them the same way one looks at a revenue stream, and that is not an effective way to look at them. They are a common space used for a wide variety of reasons, many of which add value to BioWare and its products. There is no profit margin on the thousands of hours of volunteer time we benefit from. While the ME 3 MP development team went above and beyond the call of duty with their weekly balance changes, those efforts were the majority result of BSN volunteer man-hours, not BioWare employee man-hours. The value that modders, testers, and data-miners add to our products cannot be measured in profits, but it does impact the quality of what we do. We share our space with them because it benefits us to do so, and if you don't understand that, I would encourage you to familiarize yourself with what is in place, so that you can come to understand that it is important, and the people who volunteer their time for us are important, and need to be treated with respect."

 

And then I would say "No."

 

3. Restore volunteer moderators. If there aren't enough viable candidates available, combine the current system with volunteers.

 

4. Moderation would no longer take place in a vacuum.

 

Moderators would engage in discussions about moderation with each other and the developers, with a focus on what has historically worked and how things are supposed to work.

 

They would also respond to Messages and questions about moderation, the way they used to. Two years ago, the members understood how moderation worked, and when they didn't understand something, they could ask, and it would be answered. Creating a rule that says, "you're not allowed to discuss moderation or ask questions about it," is not how any rational organization runs itself. Putting up an impenetrable wall of secrecy around moderation is done for only one reason: to hide incompetence or wrong-doing.

 

5. Engage the community.

 

No more putting up barriers to prevent interaction between the company and the members. I would do the opposite. I would throw the doors of communication open. I would say "ask away, and we'll try to answer." That doesn't mean everyone gets answers. But at least they can get answers. At least we're showing them the respect of not making them talk to a wall that is ignoring them.

 

Announcements would be made in the forums as a matter of course. Upcoming changes would be announced ahead of time, especially if the changes will impact people.

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Well, that's off my chest. Obviously those ideas must all be a combination of impossible and crazy (never mind that every single one of them is exactly how BSN worked three years ago.)


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I honestly don't believe that these forums compared to all of EA's other services consume that much in bandwidth that they are expensive to run.



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Jeremiah12LGeek

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I honestly don't believe that these forums compared to all of EA's other services consume that much in bandwidth that they are expensive to run.

 

I don't believe bandwidth is the issue (although it probably adds more to the cost than people realize.) I  have no idea what all of EA's other services have to do with anything.

 

What I was talking about was that the moderation was volunteer until two years ago. The initial paid moderating team was much larger after the switch, and then they began making changes to reduce traffic, which later resulted in a reduction in the size of the paid moderating team when traffic came down.

 

I suspect that the cost-saving measure at play is the need to pay fewer employees to run the site when the traffic is smaller.



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Sensibility and understanding

 

You're already over-qualified for the position


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Sensibility and understanding

 

You're already over-qualified for the position

 

I'd never want to be in charge of a place that would foolishly put someone like me in charge.

 

 

Unless I got a small army to go with it. Who could turn that down?


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See, this is why you'll never get a job at Bioware. You have too much common sense.
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Wow, do I wish I'd been part of the BSN three years ago. Although, that might have made it worse, watching it all slowly systematically shuffled away.

 

EA, hire Jeremiah. You need him. 


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See, this is why you'll never get a job at Bioware. You have too much common sense.

Ha! #SHOTSFIRED



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Wow, do I wish I'd been part of the BSN three years ago. Although, that might have made it worse, watching it all slowly systematically shuffled away.

 

EA, hire Jeremiah. You need him. 

 

Three years ago. Lets see, thats 2012.

 

In 2012 we had the BSN. Bioware Social Network. A place with not just forums but blog posts, polls, a different layout, gif avatars, and other such things. It wasn't perfect, but it was broader than being just the forum you see now.

 

However, 2012 was also the year of Mass Effect 3. So you would've been here to see Bioware getting ripped a new butthole by its fans over-

 

*Mass Effect Deception, the extremely terrible ending to the Mass Effect series of novels

*Mass Effect 3, the game that as a whole was not something the fans approved of

*Mass Effect 3's ending, which is forever remembered now as a horrible close to what was once a fantastic series

 

Along with a bunch of other stuff. It wasn't a good time to be in the ME or DA sections.

 

What you should want is to have been here around 08-10, those were good times. Mass Effect had been out, Dragon Age Origins was being released(such a different Bioware existed back then), Mass Effect 2 hype was everywhere.

 

It was magical then.

 

But just like the title to The Outsiders' terrible sequel, That Was Then, This Is Now.



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Bioware responded in the worst way to the 'toxic' elements of the forum. They hid.

Most people weren't making threats or being insulting. Yet Bioware retreated from them as well.

I refuse to this day to believe that they have more control over the toxic elements on Facebook, Reddit, or Twitter, where they seem willing to communicate, than they do here on their own forum.

Bioware's reputation was the best when they talked and communicated with their fans. As they withdraw further and further the reputation just gets worse, yet they don't seem to understand why that is.


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Bioware responded in the worst way to the 'toxic' elements of the forum. They hid.

Most people weren't making threats or being insulting. Yet Bioware retreated from them as well.

I refuse to this day to believe that they have more control over the toxic elements on Facebook, Reddit, or Twitter, where they seem willing to communicate, than they do here on their own forum.

Bioware's reputation was the best when they talked and communicated with their fans. As they withdraw further and further the reputation just gets worse, yet they don't seem to understand why that is.

 

In Fight or Flight they chose Flight, leaving all the problems here for others to deal with.



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I'll just leave this here:

 

http://vroomvroom.fr...lobby-off-topic

 

:wizard:  :wizard:  :wizard:


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I'd monetize it. Make Off Topic pay to post, relax and go to Tahiti on the proceeds.

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 go to Tahiti on the proceeds.

It's a magical place.



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Close everything besides romance-threads.



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Close everything besides romance Quarian sweat-threads.

 

Fixed.


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Weren't you leaving BSN? 



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Weren't you leaving BSN? 

 

A few times, people have made a big deal out of a post I made a year and a half ago in which I said that many people, including me, would likely leave the site if they deleted groups. It was part of a larger point (related in no small way to the point I was making with this thread.)

 

In the end, they did not delete groups as they had originally said they would, but I stopped logging in to the site, anyway. About six months later, as DA:I started to ramp up, I began logging in and posting again.

 

Since I had always seen the post as an explanation of the likely consequences of their decisions and how they were handling it, I never understood why a few had interpreted it as some kind of "retirement announcement thread," especially since it was buried in the middle of a BioWare-made thread that spanned nearly a hundred pages (if I remember the length correctly.)



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"retirement announcement thread," especially since it was buried in the middle of a BioWare-made thread that spanned nearly a hundred pages (if I remember the length correctly.)

 

If you make said thread "I am leaving BSN", I would put two and two together.  If you wanted a break, you wouldn't need to make a thread about it, lel. But alas, threads like this are useless, unless you actively try to become a mod/community manger on this site.  

 

But why you leave though?  You don't haf to be mad. 



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The great thing about the internet, OP, is that, if you want to run a forum, it's pretty easy to set one up.  I believe there was one mentioned in the BSN changes thread.  Maybe you should run your ideas by whoever is running that one, see if you can combine your efforts to create a new forum, that sort of thing?



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I would allow signatures that folks had on the other forum before moving to this one.


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First things first (and last) bring back the lobby.



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Me, I'd just blow up the forums and then take the server that hosts them and toss it off of a fifth-story roof.

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unless you actively try to become a mod/community manger on this site.  

 

Nope. Do not enjoy being a moderator, on the occasions that I have been.