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[Kwonnern]

You can also use the Charge as a great tactical progression.



Hit em where they're weak, use their cover, move to the next.

[AlphaJarmel]

So it's pretty much worthless on the higher difficulties as you would die before getting to cover. I almost always lose my shields just running to cover when they see me.

[e-s-m]

Kahmun wrote...

I played through ME1 as a Vanguard, and loved every second of it.  Losing a couple of weapon classes and heavy armor in exchange for biotic powers was a great tradeoff; Lift gave me very effective form of crowd control, while Barrier and Warp made me a killing machine.

I started ME2 as a Vanguard hoping for a similar experience, however, I've found this "new" Vanguard rather lacking.  Maybe I'm not far enough in the game (or perhaps I'm just bad) but I've found the new Charge ability to be little more than a flashy way to kill myself, unless I use it on an enemy who's either alone or only has one ally nearby.  The new armor system ensures I take just as much damage as a sniper or an adept, even though by definition I have to be up close to be truly effective.  I no longer have Barrier or the shield recharge ability (can't remember the name off the top of my head) to compliment my armor and shields.  These factors, combined with the fact that I'm limited to carrying 15 shotgun shells total, mean that for the most part combat involves me hiding behind cover across the room and sniping with my pistol.

Is anyone else having a similar experience?  I'm only about four hours into the game, mayble it evens out later...but right now I feel like the combat system would be much more rewarding for a long-range class like the Infiltrator.

Agreed.  I can't tell you how many times I have died since playing with the Vanguard, this after kicking so much ass in ME1.   I charge in..kill one guy...then die from the bad guys next door.  I need to develop a better strategy here, or seriously improve on my skill tree selection.

[Commander Darmok]

Dude, I'm loving the vanguard class! Let me tell you what charge is good for - Krogans. Seriously. As long as they're not shielded, you can charge, unload till they're dead (three or four shots if they're armored,) and get out of there before they ever unleash any of that nasty krogan crap on you. Same with heavy mechs. I tell you, when I see one of those enter the battle, I don't wait for them to flank and kill me, I preemptive strike and take them out.



Of course you can't charge into a large group, but shockwave is crazy useful for breaking up those large groups before you charge. If you know you're going to charge a large group, set up covering fire on either side, send a shockwave down the middle, and THEN charge. Boom, they're dead, you get out of there and clean up whoever's left with your pistol from behind the nearest crate.

[The Demonologist]

OH! Important addition to the tactic I posted. Melee is your friend, improve it as soon as you can.

[Flash_in_the_flesh]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

So it's pretty much worthless on the
higher difficulties as you would die before getting to cover. I almost
always lose my shields just running to cover when they see me.

That's what shields are for - keep you safe until you find the cover

Modifié par Flash_in_the_flesh, 27 janvier 2010 - 08:17 .

[llinsane1ll]

I'm having 'kind of' same problem, but I been more strategic and logical on how to use the Vanguard class as I go along with it and get more abilities unlocked

[Kwonnern]

You get quite the Tactical Advantage with Charge.
Time Dilation and Shield Boost (Biotic Charge gives you more shielding than any other skill for a few seconds.), Great for Moving to where you want, Escaping if need be.

Charge to enemies that are in cover Away from the group, finish them with your Incin/Cry shots and then quickly go into the cover they were using.
Move tactically around the battlefield.

Modifié par Kwonnern, 27 janvier 2010 - 08:21 .

[Taritu]

I find it fun, though early yet with my Vanguard. The bigget problem I find is the damn spawning. Charge into some guys, take them out, some other idiot spawns right near you...  Also, while it's hard to tell yet, I have to say it's definitely not the powerhouse it was in ME1.

But fun?  Yeah.  Charge is a blast.

Modifié par Taritu, 27 janvier 2010 - 08:21 .

[AlphaJarmel]

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

So it's pretty much worthless on the
higher difficulties as you would die before getting to cover. I almost
always lose my shields just running to cover when they see me.

That's what shields are for - keep you safe until you find the cover

I'm assuming you're playing on Insanity as you would see that your shields disappear very quickly.

[Basileus777]

Vanguards are a gimped class, but it doesn't matter much on the lower difficulties. But on Insanity, it becomes a problem because all of their abiltiies are pretty much worthless against shielded/armored enemies and the shotgun is the worst weapon in the game.

[Taritu]

Basileus777 wrote...

Vanguards are a gimped class, but it doesn't matter much on the lower difficulties. But on Insanity, it becomes a problem because all of their abiltiies are pretty much worthless against shielded/armored enemies and the shotgun is the worst weapon in the game.

Yeah, I always do my first playthrough on normal.  Even on normal they aren't as good, but it's not that big a deal.  The lack of ability to take down shields seems like it would be crippling on insanity.

[Jorithel Ravencrest]

Vanguard so far seems like a step backwards from the original. I have also noticed that charging in at low levels (I'm only 10) is pretty much suicide...the shotgun needs more rounds as well...bump it up to 8 or 10 in the chamber so when I do make my suicidal charge I can go down in a fight...not just get 5 shots off and wait for my reload to get me killed.

[BIG JEEPER]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Lol, I'm going to start a poll later to see how people are enjoying their Vanguard class. I think Soldier or Sentinel are probably going to end up being the best classes. However Infiltrator does have it's problems but it's leagues better than the Vanguard.

i am running the infiltrator class on veteran for my first play through and am finding it pretty challenging.  I definitely cant run and gun like ME1.  it takes time and strategy to really clean out a room and cover your @s$.

Vanguard seems even more challenging sounds like

[funjeeper]

I am having a blast playing as the vanguard and I think he kicks major Hinney:D

I have not had the problems with him bugging out on me that some may have though, I have blasted people all over the place, against walls off cliffs, no problems here, but that may be an issue for some people.

As for the need to be tactical, yes you do need to watch yourself and not charge some dude when 5 of his buddies are right there to fill you with laser holes, even with 1 or 2 other baddies there there is still a second or two where they are all WTF? giving you enough time to take out the 1st guy and start shooting the other ones.

some other tips:

Charging a guy who is next to or behind cover will often place you next to the guy but behind the cover so that you can make use of it, this isnt 100% and sometimes I will be exposed to all his buddies and have to run for it, but 3 out of 4 times it works out, the guy has to be peeking out or shooting to charge him so sometimes you have to wait a second for him to pop out from cover then charge.

Improving your charge ability and the ability that improves your combat skills(cant remember what its called) will go a long way to helping you out, as well as researching armor and weapon upgrades in the normandy, also your other 2 biotic abilities can help you in close quarters deal with people trying to shoot you use the pause key to help if needed

Sometimes charging a dude and killing him in 1-2 shots with the shoutgun makes the other 1 or 2 guys pee there pants and they run to get cover away from you, kinda funny but also gives you more much neeeded time to take them out.

One last thing to note: It is a high risk high reward class, Bioware has talked about the changes in interviews and it even says it in the class description in game I believe, its not the old vanguard class.

Edit: I am playing thru on normal difficulty, I think on the higher ones the class may become much harder to play

Modifié par funjeeper, 27 janvier 2010 - 08:32 .

[Northborn]

The melee attack is your friend. Don't forget there is a button for it now. Its not automatic like ME1. Charge+Melee+ShotgunFace is terribly effective.

I killed my first big mech with a charge. It was awesome to behold!

Modifié par Jep13, 27 janvier 2010 - 08:32 .

[NewAgeSpartan]

Is there abilities added after u beat the game like in part one? i mean like in ME1 i first played as a soldier and once i beat it i started a new new game but this time as a vanguard and it let me add assualt rifle skill.. is there anything similar? cuz vanguard in ME2 is ass.. 5 hrs into it and ima start over again and going back to soldier...

[Basileus777]

NewAgeSpartan wrote...

Is there abilities added after u beat the game like in part one? i mean like in ME1 i first played as a soldier and once i beat it i started a new new game but this time as a vanguard and it let me add assualt rifle skill.. is there anything similar? cuz vanguard in ME2 is ass.. 5 hrs into it and ima start over again and going back to soldier...

You just get the ability to add the loyalty abilties from the start of the game, rather than have to reseach it later.

[Lord Exar]

Vanguard is definitely more tactical, though. In the beginning, I was struggling, but it was because I was playing like it was ME1. Once I realized the difference, it's been pretty smooth sailing.



Also, another tip for Charge: never go in with anything but a shotgun. I stay in cover for the extra 5 seconds to swap out my shotty before flying in all Kamikaze-like. I was making the mistake early on to just charge in with whatever I was using (typically the pistol), but it didn't take me long to realize the folly in that.

[AlphaJarmel]

BIG JEEPER wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Lol, I'm going to start a poll later to see how people are enjoying their Vanguard class. I think Soldier or Sentinel are probably going to end up being the best classes. However Infiltrator does have it's problems but it's leagues better than the Vanguard.

i am running the infiltrator class on veteran for my first play through and am finding it pretty challenging.  I definitely cant run and gun like ME1.  it takes time and strategy to really clean out a room and cover your @s$.

Vanguard seems even more challenging sounds like

Word of advice, on Insanity upgrade your cloak to max damage and try to get teammates that boost squad damage.  You want your sniper rifle as powerful as possible.  However armor is a nightmare though so don't ignore the submachine guns.

[Catlana]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Catlana wrote...

Yes, I do not like the new Vanguard class either. Wait till you charge and knock an enemy off the area map and have to reload because a dam door will not open. Vanguards use to feel like a tankie type with barrier and armor. Now, the class feels like a buggy kamikaze. Vanguards get lift over barrier, wtf were they thinking? I am pretty unhappy with Mass Effect 2 at this point. I doubt that I am going to buy ME3 or any DLC for ME2.

Rofl...Yeah ok.
We all know that you will buy Me 3 just like the other 12 people on this forum who thinks threatening bioware with not buying their games will make a difference. You arent fooling anyone

Honestly, I am not enjoying Mass Effect 2 all that much. Perhaps I am letting how radically my picked class (Vanguard) changed get to me. The Vanguard in ME2 simply feels like a shell of its former self from Mass Effect. I miss my tankie type of character. Perhaps, I simply had too high of expectations? However, if you are not having fun why bother to play? You can always find other things to do.

If you are enjoying the game, good for you. I wish you the best of luck.

[GEWill]

Eladren wrote...

I don't have issues with vanguards so much as I do with the shotgun. It's just not effective unless you're right in their face, and there's just not a lot of places where you can do that without dying on the higher difficulties.

Welcome to reality. You aren't going to be hitting anyone from across a room with a shotgun in real life so why should you be able to in a game!

Shotties are close quarters weapons and the same applies on this game.

[AlphaJarmel]

Catlana wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Catlana wrote...

Yes, I do not like the new Vanguard class either. Wait till you charge and knock an enemy off the area map and have to reload because a dam door will not open. Vanguards use to feel like a tankie type with barrier and armor. Now, the class feels like a buggy kamikaze. Vanguards get lift over barrier, wtf were they thinking? I am pretty unhappy with Mass Effect 2 at this point. I doubt that I am going to buy ME3 or any DLC for ME2.

Rofl...Yeah ok.
We all know that you will buy Me 3 just like the other 12 people on this forum who thinks threatening bioware with not buying their games will make a difference. You arent fooling anyone

Honestly, I am not enjoying Mass Effect 2 all that much. Perhaps I am letting how radically my picked class (Vanguard) changed get to me. The Vanguard in ME2 simply feels like a shell of its former self from Mass Effect. I miss my tankie type of character. Perhaps, I simply had too high of expectations? However, if you are not having fun why bother to play? You can always find other things to do.

If you are enjoying the game, good for you. I wish you the best of luck.

Go with the Sentinel.  You might have more fun with that.  Especially once you get some good guns, I think you'll enjoy it alot.

[D00MRoar]

I like the Vanguard class so far.You do only get 15 shotgun shells that constantly get replenished since ammo is lying around everywhere. The charge ability is cool and I don't like that I can't use it as much as I want. You have to be real selective on which enemies you chose to charge. This adds to the tactical element of the game and I am digging it.

[Kwonnern]

Catlana wrote...
Honestly, I am not enjoying Mass Effect 2 all that much. Perhaps I am letting how radically my picked class (Vanguard) changed get to me. The Vanguard in ME2 simply feels like a shell of its former self from Mass Effect. I miss my tankie type of character. Perhaps, I simply had too high of expectations? However, if you are not having fun why bother to play? You can always find other things to do.

Cat

If you really want to play a "Tank"-ish character, Sentinel is the class for you!

I am certain you will have MUCH more fun with Sentinel since it fits your playstyle much better!

Modifié par Kwonnern, 27 janvier 2010 - 08:52 .