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[Lady Artifice]

Don't be jealous, the Qunari are just better than you. 

 

[SardaukarElite]

If they up the presence of repeating crossbows or just add guns I doubt there will be any consequences because so far BioWare has shown little to no interest in making their stories involve logistics, or their gameplay more than people throwing explosions at each other at very short range.

 

No, no. I wasn't that. I'm just a little resentful about Qunari technology while my Inquisitor sits there, forever sans crossbow. I was pouting. 

 

At this point it seems BioWare is just keeping crossbows out of the player's hands to annoy you.

[Lady Artifice]

At this point it seems BioWare is just keeping crossbows out of the player's hands to annoy you.

 

I know!  I'd only just resigned myself to the fact the Isabela has that awesome little handheld crossbow in DA MP, and one day I join a MP match, climb the ladder to catch up with the party, and I'm suddenly being pelted by bolts. 

 

Seriously, Bioware.

 

[YourFunnyUncle]

Morrigan's whole goal in life is to preserve the old magic against that march of time and science.... guessing that this might be a huge deal in later DA games that the players will have to decide how they feel.  Which is awesome if true.

 

 

I mean, for Thedas, magic is a science. And I don't see how magic, conventional science, and technology isn't simply mutualistic. It's not like the world of Arcanum, where magic and technology literally break down in the presence of one another.

 

Yeah. I don't see Morrigan as in any way close to being anti-science. Science is the systematic study of observable and repeatable phenomena, and in Thedas, magic very much falls into that category. Her conversation with Leliana early in Origins as to why she doesn't believe in the Maker shows this attitude quite clearly. I'd liken what Morrigan does in terms of wanting to rediscover and preserve old magic to renaissance scholars finding ancient Greek and Roman philosophical texts that had been ignored for centuries in the west and using them as the basis to advance their own civilisation. 

[Kabraxal]

Yeah. I don't see Morrigan as in any way close to being anti-science. Science is the systematic study of observable and repeatable phenomena, and in Thedas, magic very much falls into that category. Her conversation with Leliana early in Origins as to why she doesn't believe in the Maker shows this attitude quite clearly. I'd liken what Morrigan does in terms of wanting to rediscover and preserve old magic to renaissance scholars finding ancient Greek and Roman philosophical texts that had been ignored for centuries in the west and using them as the basis to advance their own civilisation. 

I'm not saying she is anti-science, but it is clear she does not like how "progress" is so destructive to the old ways.  Hence her desire to maintain the old magic in continued destructive march of the world as it searches for "progress".  

 

In fact, by what we see in her actions, Morrigan is far more the philosopher than a scientist.   Morrigan herself can act contrary to pure observation and repeatable  tactics and often her actions defy sound reasoning.  Hell, her drive to preserve the past borders on irrational since she will react rashly and impatiently when it is threatened.  

 

And really, she is a romantic in so many ways, which should surprise no one if you go friend or romance with her in Origins. For all her talk, her actions say more about what she really feels inside.  Which is understandable, given her thoughts on Flemeth and her childhood... it seems more like an obvious act of rebellion for something that quite clearly has unnerved her for most of her life, until the mystery has pushed that into fear.  I thought this was quite clear in DA:I at the temple, when she is clearly struggling with the desire to trivialise the mystery and the growing truth that things are not falling into neat little categories you can label with ease.  

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'm not saying she is anti-science, but it is clear she does not like how "progress" is so destructive to the old ways.  Hence her desire to maintain the old magic in continued destructive march of the world as it searches for "progress".  

 

In fact, by what we see in her actions, Morrigan is far more the philosopher than a scientist.   Morrigan herself can act contrary to pure observation and repeatable  tactics and often her actions defy sound reasoning.  Hell, her drive to preserve the past borders on irrational since she will react rashly and impatiently when it is threatened.  

 

And really, she is a romantic in so many ways, which should surprise no one if you go friend or romance with her in Origins. For all her talk, her actions say more about what she really feels inside.  Which is understandable, given her thoughts on Flemeth and her childhood... it seems more like an obvious act of rebellion for something that quite clearly has unnerved her for most of her life, until the mystery has pushed that into fear.  I thought this was quite clear in DA:I at the temple, when she is clearly struggling with the desire to trivialise the mystery and the growing truth that things are not falling into neat little categories you can label with ease.  

I don't think there's much sign of "progress" in Thedas. There's a lot of lost knowledge of very powerful magic for not much advance in other areas.

 

The fact that Morrigan has a romantic and impetuous side only makes her human, just like scientists. Do you think that scientists don't make rash decisions and never fall in love? If so, I'd posit that you don't know many scientists. What makes science rational is not scientists so much as the process itself - documented experiments whose methods can be checked by others, and that can be independently repeated in order to test the validity of the results. The point of it is to remove human bias from the equation as much as possible, because however rational we think we may be, we're all emotional and flawed individuals.

 

Scientists can be very passionate and driven people, and historically have often done things that others would find irrational in the pursuit of knowledge, such as putting themselves (or others) in harm's way in order to carry out a crucial experiment, but that desire to find things out is at their core and they believe the risk to be worth it. If that doesn't sound like Morrigan, I don't know what does.

[Ariella]

@Uncle

Married to a scientist, and you're spot on.

[Kabraxal]

I don't think there's much sign of "progress" in Thedas. There's a lot of lost knowledge of very powerful magic for not much advance in other areas.

 

The fact that Morrigan has a romantic and impetuous side only makes her human, just like scientists. Do you think that scientists don't make rash decisions and never fall in love? If so, I'd posit that you don't know many scientists. What makes science rational is not scientists so much as the process itself - documented experiments whose methods can be checked by others, and that can be independently repeated in order to test the validity of the results. The point of it is to remove human bias from the equation as much as possible, because however rational we think we may be, we're all emotional and flawed individuals.

 

Scientists can be very passionate and driven people, and historically have often done things that others would find irrational in the pursuit of knowledge, such as putting themselves (or others) in harm's way in order to carry out a crucial experiment, but that desire to find things out is at their core and they believe the risk to be worth it. If that doesn't sound like Morrigan, I don't know what does.

Romantic isn't just about love..... it's about romantic ideals, which include things such as the passion to maintain the past.  She has a pursuit of knowledge, but you are conflating that with "science".  What you are talking about just doesn't just cover science, but philosophy, many religions, reason.... Avernus and Dagna are far more the typical "scientist" than Morrigan is.  While she does put a higher priority on reason, she is closer to a pragmatic philosopher than she is a scientist.  She will use what progress yields, but she is not as tied to "science" as some think.  

 

Now if you want to argue she is more "athiestic", as much as that term can possibly apply in that world, that is a different story. Though even then, DA:I challenges her younger "certainty" on some levels.  The revelations about her mother alone seem to have shaken her in many ways.  

 

And sidenote:  eliminating bias or perception for a "universal truth" is a serious assumption of modern science/society that isn't necessarily a good one.  It is forming a basis for reality from an already existing perceptual bias.  Just had to say that given your little blurb about science and human bias.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Those Qunari we fought in Kirkwall were probably melee fighters and spearmen. We haven't face a squadron of trained Qunari riflemen yet and best that we don't. Imperium soldiers may have magical advantages but this is science we're talking about. Bombastic bang boom stuff. The Qunari didn't permit even a tiny bit of magic into their alchemy and techs & still manage of being as powerful as the Imperium.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Romantic isn't just about love..... it's about romantic ideals, which include things such as the passion to maintain the past.  She has a pursuit of knowledge, but you are conflating that with "science".  What you are talking about just doesn't just cover science, but philosophy, many religions, reason.... Avernus and Dagna are far more the typical "scientist" than Morrigan is.  While she does put a higher priority on reason, she is closer to a pragmatic philosopher than she is a scientist.  She will use what progress yields, but she is not as tied to "science" as some think.  

 

Now if you want to argue she is more "athiestic", as much as that term can possibly apply in that world, that is a different story. Though even then, DA:I challenges her younger "certainty" on some levels.  The revelations about her mother alone seem to have shaken her in many ways.  

 

And sidenote:  eliminating bias or perception for a "universal truth" is a serious assumption of modern science/society that isn't necessarily a good one.  It is forming a basis for reality from an already existing perceptual bias.  Just had to say that given your little blurb about science and human bias.

Ah well we can argue whether the philosophical basis of science is sound forever and get nowhere. I would say, however, that it clearly works. The evidence lies in the computer you're using to talk to me now etc etc. I would further re-iterate my point that in Thedas, Magic falls squarely under the purview of scientific study because it is a measurable and repeatable phenomenon.

 

You appear to be conflating modern science's supposed conflict with "ancient teachings" with such as Ayurvedic or Chinese medicine with Morrigan's search to preserve ancient lore. This is a false equivalence because scientific study would look at the claims made by these teachings and find out what works. The parts that don't aren't dismissed because they are "heretical" but because they can't be shown to be effective under testing.

 

In Morrigan's case, she seeks to preserve magic that in some cases goes against Chantry teachings, but even the Chantry wouldn't claim that it doesn't actually work. It demonstrably and clearly does. That is not in any way in conflict with a scientific world view.

[Illegitimus]

Given the fantastic expense for  the ammunition for those guns, especially on the surface, I don't expect them to catch on.  

[CorniliuS]

Of course we have guns! Everything ea touches turns in to battlefield, multiplayer, guns, capture the keep flag, next dragon age will be multiplayer only first person shooter.

[GoldenGail3]

Of course we have guns! Everything ea touches turns in to battlefield, multiplayer, guns, capture the keep flag, next dragon age will be multiplayer only first person shooter.

No... That's Mass Effects job.

[The Hierophant]

Oh boy, i can't wait until they introduce lyrium powered automobiles, and spaced travel!

[ApocAlypsE007]

Coming up in the next DLC: the Inquisitor's Riordan Pulse Rifle!!! Uses the energy from the anchor to power a face melting beam!!! Was previously deployed in an intergalactic blood sport! Buy now for only 99.99 US Dollars!

[Uccio]

Really? *sits down weeping* 

 

You just had to do it, didn´t you! *shakes fist*