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[Matthias King]

The Eviscerator was my go-to shotgun for a long time until I got my Wraith up to where it was light enough. But on an infiltrator that you're good with, it's not bad.

 

As has already been said, the Tempest is a very decent SMG until you get the Hurricane. Once you have that, especially once you get it high enough to also make it lightweight, there's no reason to ever use the Tempest again.

 

The Phalanx is actually surprisingly decent with the armor piercing and heavy barrel. With that heavy barrel it does more damage per shot than the Mattock/Harrier, and can fire about as fast as the Mattock. And it's also almost as lightweight as the Predator. If you're looking for a solid sidearm, it's not a bad choice at all. 

[The NightMan Cometh]

LOL Shuriken....I think if you throw it at the enemy it causes more damage than firing it

 

Predator...Nope, never again                            Scimitar....point blank head shots do nothing...It's supposed to be a shotgun, right?

[Salarian Master Race]

LOL Shuriken....I think if you throw it at the enemy it causes more damage than firing it

 

Predator...Nope, never again                            Scimitar....point blank head shots do nothing...It's supposed to be a shotgun, right?

 

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[physiolosopher]

The Phalanx is actually surprisingly decent with the armor piercing and heavy barrel. With that heavy barrel it does more damage per shot than the Mattock/Harrier, and can fire about as fast as the Mattock. And it's also almost as lightweight as the Predator. If you're looking for a solid sidearm, it's not a bad choice at all. 

 

This mattock comparison led me to look at the phalanx vs carnifex vs paladin. It appears that as you progress from the uncommon toward the ultra rare you half the clip size and add roughly 200 base damage per shot. I am starting to see some potential utility here on a per-clip basis. But I'm thinking the carnifex might actually be the best option of the three for efficiency's sake.

[Brannigans 1ove]

Phaeston because it's an OK gun, and counts towards 2 challenges.

 

Tempest is good for completing SMG mastery without having to wait for SMG medals.

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

Use the viper on the drell assassin. The light weight allows you to spam recon mine.

There is a nice patten you can use. Something like cloak, recon mine, fire fire fire, detonate, fire fire fire, use cloak to reload cancel.

[Miniditka77]

The Phalanx is actually surprisingly decent with the armor piercing and heavy barrel. With that heavy barrel it does more damage per shot than the Mattock/Harrier, and can fire about as fast as the Mattock. And it's also almost as lightweight as the Predator. If you're looking for a solid sidearm, it's not a bad choice at all. 

 

Yeah, I actually never used the Mattock at all when I was first starting out, and I used the Phalanx a lot.  The Mattock has higher "on paper" DPS because its max fire rate is a lot higher.  But if you're only firing at 250-300 RPM (which was probably as fast as I could consistently go), the Phalanx is going to out-damage the Mattock.

[Matthias King]

I love the Mattock. It's my favorite gun in ME, bar none. From experience, I've found the DPS of the Mattock vs. the Phalanx very similar, all other things being equal. I think it's a bit overlooked.

 

The Locust used to be one of my favorites, but in ME3 it's worse than useless. On a character with good weapon damage passives, with its headshot modifier it's decent against infantry-level enemies, but against armored bosses, especially those with no headshot bonus, it's abysmal.

 

I was with some friends playing Collectors/Gold once, and as often happens, I was left as the only one alive to clutch a wave. It was a late wave and eventually I was down to only a Scion left. I don't even recall which character I was, but it took me a ridiculously long time to kill that one Scion when all I had was a Locust. My teammates had to sit around and wait while I mosquito-bit that Scion to death. That was the last time I ever even looked at the Locust.

 

It's a shame. I really liked that gun in ME2.

[kajtarp]

Eviscerator and Mantis is a deadly combo with the right kit on gold. I even use Mantis with my HSol on platinum as a secondary gun. It's good for killing mooks.

[akots1]

lulz...wut? It's passable on Bronze...at best. Otherwise it's garbage. There's zero cause to use it other than to purposely gimp your character.

Not really. Katana is as accurate as disciple or graal and you can headshot off host rather reliably at medium range. IMO, the worst thing about it is rather small magazine size.

 

Not going to argue with Aedolon. Some people prefer reasonable variety (my case), others put rc-claymore (javelin / hurricane / carrier / acolyte) on every character. Some play every class at reasonable level (I want to get there eventually), others stick to what they have perfected. Well, there are precious few who are good with everything. All feel happy about it and there is nothing wrong either way.

[Bud Halen]

Eviscerator and Mantis is a deadly combo with the right kit on gold. I even use Mantis with my HSol on platinum as a secondary gun. It's good for killing mooks.

 

My roadblock for using the Mantis is my level X Executioner.  It's lighter, hits harder, reloads faster, and has .50 m innate penetration.  The only thing it can't do is wear those snazzy SR scopes...even though I usually have more use for pistol mods anyway.

[spinachdiaper]

When I used to play I would do a vindicator on the destroyer for laughs

[kajtarp]

My roadblock for using the Mantis is my level X Executioner.  It's lighter, hits harder, reloads faster, and has .50 m innate penetration.  The only thing it can't do is wear those snazzy SR scopes...even though I usually have more use for pistol mods anyway.

 

exacutioner is one of my favourite gun in the game. but one thing i like about the mantis, that it has very low recoil and enough ammo. i can literally shoot twice to the same spot. i need no pistol scope mod to take down enemies on the other side of the map. 

[kajtarp]

When I used to play I would do a vindicator on the destroyer for laughs

 

vindicator is also good on gold

[Swan Killer]

vindicator is also good on gold

 

No, it's absolute garbage even on Wood.

[TMB903]

Not really. Katana is as accurate as disciple or graal and you can headshot off host rather reliably at medium range. IMO, the worst thing about it is rather small magazine size.

Not going to argue with Aedolon. Some people prefer reasonable variety (my case), others put rc-claymore (javelin / hurricane / carrier / acolyte) on every character. Some play every class at reasonable level (I want to get there eventually), others stick to what they have perfected. Well, there are precious few who are good with everything. All feel happy about it and there is nothing wrong either way.

If your argument is that it does at medium range what every other applicable shotgun does at medium range (and much better) then you just proved my point. It's junk. You say that its magazine size is a bother and it's a fact it's right near the bottom of the barrel for damage then what exactly makes it not crap? Even the Scimitar has a shining spot in that it procs ammo consistently...especially for a common.

[akots1]

... it's a fact it's right near the bottom of the barrel for damage then what exactly makes it not crap? ...

Not exactly, it is at the top in accuracy and has only slightly less dps (with rc, 435) than geth plasma shotgun or claymore (no rc, 425 and 470). It also has low spread of pellets. Again, there is nothing wrong with it. You might want to give it a serious try. Of course, it is not right to compare dps with rc to dps without rc. But I don't have any trouble rc-ing katana while I always mess up rc-ing gps or graal.

 

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Due to ammo problem, it might be a good idea to use it on grenade kits as you have to spend thermal clips anyhow.

[Matthias King]

No, it's absolute garbage even on Wood.

 

I sometimes use the Vindicator on the Human Soldier or the Turian Soldier and it's surprisingly good. I always forget how good it is until I get back to it and get used to it again and I remember all over again.

 

If you throw a stability mod on, it's a headshot machine.

 

That said, there are certainly other rifles that are much better, no doubt, but if you get used to it and go for headshots it's useful. It doesn't have a lot of utility though, and against bosses it's not great.

 

That's the main problem with a lot of the mid-tier weapons is that they range from mediocre to bad against bosses, so if you're playing anything above silver, you're going to be up against a lot of bosses and the weapons will feel next to useless.
 

[kajtarp]

I sometimes use the Vindicator on the Human Soldier or the Turian Soldier and it's surprisingly good. I always forget how good it is until I get back to it and get used to it again and I remember all over again.

 

If you throw a stability mod on, it's a headshot machine.

 

That said, there are certainly other rifles that are much better, no doubt, but if you get used to it and go for headshots it's useful. It doesn't have a lot of utility though, and against bosses it's not great.

 

That's the main problem with a lot of the mid-tier weapons is that they range from mediocre to bad against bosses, so if you're playing anything above silver, you're going to be up against a lot of bosses and the weapons will feel next to useless.
 

 

as you said, stability mod and its a hs machine. its leightweight has plenty of ammo and reloads fast. for bosses its absolutely crap of course.

[The NightMan Cometh]

I like the Vindicator....not in SP..but in MP...it is a head shot machine... also I am a big fan of the Incisor..FQI makes it quite enjoyable...20 head.shots by wave 3-4.. Mattock..very annoying on the trigger finger..but still causes a ton of damage...Raptor..I used it on gold once...never making that mistake again

 

 Locust, Kasumi said you were the gun that killed 2 presidents..now we are lucky if you manage to kill 2 husks...  RIP

[TheNightSlasher]

I use Eviscerator quite often, and Tempest when I feel like using a SMG under MM/HM.

 

Once you have Wraith and hurricane (at high enough levels), there is no reason from a gameplay and efficiency purpose to use Eviscerator or Tempest because they are inferior versions of the two respective ultra rares. 

 

But I use them both because Wraith is too OP for it's own good (I don't like to use it in PUGs) and hurricane can go die in a, well, hurricane (I hate that gun). Eviscerator gives a very Wraith-like feel while playing while being 'balanced' at the same time where as Tempest under MM/HM is rather good to shred through enemies. Those are my reasons to use the uncommon weapons.

[Miniditka77]

I like the Vindicator....not in SP..but in MP...it is a head shot machine... also I am a big fan of the Incisor..FQI makes it quite enjoyable...20 head.shots by wave 3-4.. Mattock..very annoying on the trigger finger..but still causes a ton of damage...Raptor..I used it on gold once...never making that mistake again

 

 Locust, Kasumi said you were the gun that killed 2 presidents..now we are lucky if you manage to kill 2 husks...  RIP

 

I like the Incisor on the Turian Sentinel, because you can use Turian Passives to get high stability, and the light weight lets you use your powers frequently.  It's my 2nd-favorite non-Infiltrator sniper setup after the Drell Adept / Valiant.  The only thing you need to watch out for is sync-kill units sneaking up behind you when you spend so much time in scope (especially Phantoms).  You need to have that Tech Armor button on a hair trigger.

[stephenw32768]

I am a big fan of the Incisor..FQI makes it quite enjoyable...20 head.shots by wave 3-4..

 

I'm a scrub, so I use the barrage upgrade and a stabilization module; with those, the Incisor is nice and stable, very easy headshots.

[physiolosopher]

Some people prefer reasonable variety (my case), others put rc-claymore (javelin / hurricane / carrier / acolyte) on every character. 

 

One of these does not belong. Otherwise, good point.

 

Not exactly, it is at the top in accuracy and has only slightly less dps (with rc, 435) than geth plasma shotgun or claymore (no rc, 425 and 470). It also has low spread of pellets. Again, there is nothing wrong with it. You might want to give it a serious try. Of course, it is not right to compare dps with rc to dps without rc. But I don't have any trouble rc-ing katana while I always mess up rc-ing gps or graal.

 

The more notable comparison is spike damage. Sustained DPS assumes you never stop firing to perform some other task and that enemies continually line up to feed your DPS smoothly. Even if you don't (or can't) reload cancel, being able to OHK enemies is a tremendous tactical advantage.

[Bud Halen]

 Locust, Kasumi said you were the gun that killed 2 presidents..now we are lucky if you manage to kill 2 husks...  RIP

 

The BPP is also a huge disappointment, but in this case comparing its SP capability to MP.  Stability mod and HVB...and it's an Atlas chewing monster.  Yet in MP it's not much beyond a Tempest.  BPP is OP in SP.  I'm currently using a Carrier ShepSoldier, and it literally feels somewhat gimped compared to my usual BPP loadout.