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[Silversmurf]

"The health loss can be offset by an amulet of constitution (preferably Superb) and/or life steal."

 

No. Just... NO! Honestly try this yourself before posting the idea...

 

Ice pact is meh in general. Because:

 

1. Hakkon does electric damage instead of ice

2. Winter's grasp dmg is meh

3. fade step damage is okay ish but then you notice the CD and fade stepping into mobs with pact belt on is, well, good luck with that on NM or HB

4. Blizzard s damage is meh and CANNOT crit. Bad bad bad...

5. Too many ice immune mobs and counting on your horror to kill them will take you a whole year...

 

"I doubt any Mage, using a max-dps build, can out-dps a necromancer that's using this build"

 

Errr, try a dps saarebas with anthlok build and inferno pact. Anthlok massive AOE plus you get different elemental damages, passives gives extra max health on kill which is unaffected by pact belt, have glyphs that gives buff which you don't even need to cast it during the 99.99% of the match and effectively an unlimited supply of elusives and movement speed boost, plus guardian spirit which keeps you safe for the whole match when mobs can barely touch you, and on top of that an OP single target spell that you get right from level 1.

 

DPS saarebas = solo queen & ultimate killing machine.

 

The next best dps mage would be power chord virtuoso, and honestly Necro doesn't even come close to those 2 damage wise, unless one day Bioware decides to add spirit pact into the game, in which case still meh because SHE HAS CD ON HER SKILLS! 

 

But yes I agree mages will never be the ultimate dps if you consider other classes simply because they do elemental damage and enemies got elemental immunities. Assassin can rock NM with Hakkon + Bosun + death blow ring by simply stealth death blow spamming (aim for injured mobs if you don't have godly willpower, and when you do, you can start 1 shot most mobs with death blow from full health).

 

But even though assassin can be OP, I'd say she isn't the best dps because of her lack of aoe and the need of positioning. Stamina can be an issue when you still need to use stealth. I'd say Reaver is the best dps for warriors (both rampage build and red line build) with Avvar and Katari come close after that. Rogue wise Silent Sister  undoubtedly trumps. (Lots of multi hit high damage skills with flow of battle plus broken throwing blades upgrade plus effectively unkillable with all those guard passives if you need it.) If you are a promotion lord Hunter can be pretty insane too when you can just hook and tackle and 1 shot most mobs with hakkon's 3 shot basic attack. Saves you the effort of walking around. But unless you have a godly willpower promote I won't recommend this...

 

Was going to do a write up.....but obviously a threatening/perilous player so I let it slide.

[Pichequate]

"The health loss can be offset by an amulet of constitution (preferably Superb) and/or life steal."
 
No. Just... NO! Honestly try this yourself before posting the idea...
 
Ice pact is meh in general. Because:
 
1. Hakkon does electric damage instead of ice
2. Winter's grasp dmg is meh
3. fade step damage is okay ish but then you notice the CD and fade stepping into mobs with pact belt on is, well, good luck with that on NM or HB
4. Blizzard s damage is meh and CANNOT crit. Bad bad bad...
5. Too many ice immune mobs and counting on your horror to kill them will take you a whole year...
 
"I doubt any Mage, using a max-dps build, can out-dps a necromancer that's using this build"
 
Errr, try a dps saarebas with anthlok build and inferno pact. Anthlok massive AOE plus you get different elemental damages, passives gives extra max health on kill which is unaffected by pact belt, have glyphs that gives buff which you don't even need to cast it during the 99.99% of the match and effectively an unlimited supply of elusives and movement speed boost, plus guardian spirit which keeps you safe for the whole match when mobs can barely touch you, and on top of that an OP single target spell that you get right from level 1.
 
DPS saarebas = solo queen & ultimate killing machine.
 
The next best dps mage would be power chord virtuoso, and honestly Necro doesn't even come close to those 2 damage wise, unless one day Bioware decides to add spirit pact into the game, in which case still meh because SHE HAS CD ON HER SKILLS! 
 
But yes I agree mages will never be the ultimate dps if you consider other classes simply because they do elemental damage and enemies got elemental immunities. Assassin can rock NM with Hakkon + Bosun + death blow ring by simply stealth death blow spamming (aim for injured mobs if you don't have godly willpower, and when you do, you can start 1 shot most mobs with death blow from full health).
 
But even though assassin can be OP, I'd say she isn't the best dps because of her lack of aoe and the need of positioning. Stamina can be an issue when you still need to use stealth. I'd say Reaver is the best dps for warriors (both rampage build and red line build) with Avvar and Katari come close after that. Rogue wise Silent Sister  undoubtedly trumps. (Lots of multi hit high damage skills with flow of battle plus broken throwing blades upgrade plus effectively unkillable with all those guard passives if you need it.) If you are a promotion lord Hunter can be pretty insane too when you can just hook and tackle and 1 shot most mobs with hakkon's 3 shot basic attack. Saves you the effort of walking around. But unless you have a godly willpower promote I won't recommend this...

Pound for pound, the Necro is at least equal to virtuoso in dps. The difference is time to kill. Power cord is immediate (or nearly so) whereas walking bomb and horror take several seconds. Plus, Necro usually requires a team that understands and leverages her abilities. Thus, in a head-to-head virtuoso probably has more kills. Damage wise, they are pretty close. And Necro is far more interesting than a powercord spammer....but, neither that nor xp is what this thread is about.

I play her like a mine-based alchemist....run ahead, find a mob, freeze a weak target, inject walking bomb, wait for an innard shower.

[JiaJM98]

Pound for pound, the Necro is at least equal to virtuoso in dps. The difference is time to kill. Power cord is immediate (or nearly so) whereas walking bomb and horror take several seconds. Plus, Necro usually requires a team that understands and leverages her abilities. Thus, in a head-to-head virtuoso probably has more kills. Damage wise, they are pretty close. And Necro is far more interesting than a powercord spammer....but, neither that nor xp is what this thread is about.

I play her like a mine-based alchemist....run ahead, find a mob, freeze a weak target, inject walking bomb, wait for an innard shower.

But we don't have spirit pact

 

This puts her in a pretty awful position. That sheer discrimination from Bioware  

 

She is good, but can't be "optimal" in that sense. Similarly I don't like playing Virtuoso very much either, because you can't wear both PI and Renewal at the same time 

[Drasca]

Pound for pound, the Necro is at least equal to virtuoso in dps.

 

No. It varies greatly depending on gear, build and difficulty.

 

At endgame Necro cannot match Virtuoso because every hot licks OHKO will guarantee a mana cost free spell with no cooldown, and is spammable. Necro is bound by game limitations far moreso than Virtuoso.

 

On the way up is another matter and will vary between skill, equipment, and build.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

No. It varies greatly depending on gear, build and difficulty.

At endgame Necro cannot match Virtuoso because every hot licks OHKO will guarantee a mana cost free spell with no cooldown, and is spammable. Necro is bound by game limitations far moreso than Virtuoso.

On the way up is another matter and will vary between skill, equipment, and build.

TL;DR
Necro sucks, Virtuoso is amazeballs

[Pichequate]

TL;DR
Necro sucks, Virtuoso is amazeballs

 

 

Necro: I am not the best for this, I played her like..2 promotes lol


 

 

ThatNecroYouDK  

 

Kidding aside...we all have our likes and dislikes. My dislikes are Reaver, Sister, and Assassin. Dreadful xp generators, but can be fun (for some) and certainly useful for survivability.  

[Pichequate]

No. It varies greatly depending on gear, build and difficulty.

 

At endgame Necro cannot match Virtuoso because every hot licks OHKO will guarantee a mana cost free spell with no cooldown, and is spammable. Necro is bound by game limitations far moreso than Virtuoso.

 

On the way up is another matter and will vary between skill, equipment, and build.

 

 

Lots of variables, no doubt. And JiaJ is right about the pact belt, which is why I said 'pound for pound'. In other words, if all is equal, i.e., no pact belts and equivalent gear...they are about equal in DPS. 

[Minuos]

Seems like a whole lot of moot to me. Necro > Zither because spam is boring and explosions are fun.

 

And have you seen Sidony? Hawt.

[JiaJM98]

i.e., no pact belts and equivalent gear and all lv1 and all only use basic attack ... all mages are about equal in DPS. 

Fixed

[Pichequate]

Seems like a whole lot of moot to me. Necro > Zither because spam is boring and explosions are fun.

Agreed.

[Jairami]

I've found Zither with Blizzard's Path and Cool Beats can almost be the best of both worlds.  No cooldowns, infect all the things, explode all the things! 

 

But Sidony feels more rewarding if you can get that perfect chain reaction with virulence frozen or walking bombs.

[Drasca]

Seems like a whole lot of moot to me. Necro > Zither because spam is boring and explosions are fun.

 

And have you seen Sidony? Hawt.

 

I've seen her original face. Huge turn off.

 

Cool Beats

 

Ewww Cool beats. That damage doesn't scale with promotes and gear well at all. No one on NM+ uses cool beats, not even the xboners.

[Minuos]

I've seen her original face. Huge turn off.

 

Nonsense. She's bringing pallid back.