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[TraiHarder]

Being a Blood Mage would have been controversial for ANY of our Mage protagonist of EITHER of the previous games BUT Blood Magic was still included anyway. Inquisition should and would have been no different. There is no excuse for Keeper Magic not being included as it was in previous games, especially now since we can play as an actual First(Keeper in training) to a Dalish Keeper.

Your at this point just not seeing actual reason as to why Blood Magic would not be a choice in the game. Unlike the other games although yes blood magic was in the game it's not like it couldn't have seemed to be a viable thing at the point.

Having to slay a arch demon is no small matter if the mage had to use Blood Magic on the way then it could be over looked at the time.

The Champion of Kirkwall the only ones that really would have known she was a blood mage would be the companion that had unwavering loyalty to her. And already had a blood mage in our ranks, which we could agree with or protest against.

While if we were a blood mage in this setting Cassandra would most like murderer us on sight. Varric would start to feel uncomfortable from all he went through in Kirk wall with blood magic. Vivienne would surely protest against the use of blood magic and ruin us in Orlais most certainly not allowing the Empress to help us. Cullen would surely along with Cassandra try to kill us. Sera would leave just as soon as she learned of us being a blood mage.

Now what kinda inquisition would that be when everyone doesn't even believe and like the inquisitor

Now she keeper magic could be part of the game but then they'd mainly have to make a special case for every race then seeing as people would complain as to why do elves get a special class but no one else.

Now as a DLC keeper magic would be a awesome addition.

[TraiHarder]

Indeed. Or from a book for that matter.

Some aspects of blood-magic have been overly dramatised in order to make it seem more evil,
when in truth despite being a dangerous and volatile branch of magic - blood magic is just another tool.

I would take Solas' explanation on blood magic over chantry superstition any day.

I don't remember him ever giving his opinion on the matter? What was it?

[DuskWanderer]

I don't remember him ever giving his opinion on the matter? What was it?

 

You can talk to him in Haven about it. He says that magic is magic, and that blood magic is better suited for specific things, but it is the user who makes it evil. 

[TraiHarder]

You can talk to him in Haven about it. He says that magic is magic, and that blood magic is better suited for specific things, but it is the user who makes it evil.

Ah OK I think I kinda remember it now. But idk LMAO the blood magic in DA2 was kinda evil I mean even the magic your Hawke used.
*Stabbing herself with her staff
* Stealing life from your allies
Lol kinda creepy don't cha think

[TK514]

I've always been a fan of unconventional or early 'game over' methods.  I'd love to see Blood Magic come back for such a purpose.  You start throwing around the vitae, and the companion behind you and to your left calmly steps up and slits your throat as a Maleficar and all around spawn of evil.

 

Reload!

[TraiHarder]

I've always been a fan of unconventional or early 'game over' methods. I'd love to see Blood Magic come back for such a purpose. You start throwing around the vitae, and the companion behind you and to your left calmly steps up and slits your throat as a Maleficar and all around spawn of evil.

Reload!

Lol that would be amazing but I would be pissed if I couldn't fight back at least.

Lol and I feel as if you don't want to slit the throat of a blood mage us know? That's a lot of blood to work with.

[AedanStarfang]

Blood magic should function out of combat similarly to how the force did in KOTOR, where you could use a mind trick or force someone to tell you what you wanted to know, you could temporarily enthrall them with blood magic and get the answers you need. 

[TraiHarder]

Blood magic should function out of combat similarly to how the force did in KOTOR, where you could use a mind trick or force someone to tell you what you wanted to know, you could temporarily enthrall them with blood magic and get the answers you need.

I don't think blood magic is the only way to do that.
But that would be pretty awesome

[Kakistos_]

Indeed. Or from a book for that matter.

 

Some aspects of blood-magic have been overly dramatised in order to make it seem more evil,

when in truth despite being a dangerous and volatile branch of magic - blood magic is just another tool.

 

I would take Solas' explanation on blood magic over chantry superstition any day.

I agree and I look forward to when both Blood Magic and the social and political aspects of it's use are incorporated into the game. If my speculation is correct and DA4 takes place in Tevinter/Anderfels then that would be the perfect time to devote resources to the subject as both Tevinter and The Grey Wardens have unique history with Blood Magic.

[Kakistos_]

Your at this point just not seeing actual reason as to why Blood Magic would not be a choice in the game. Unlike the other games although yes blood magic was in the game it's not like it couldn't have seemed to be a viable thing at the point.

Having to slay a arch demon is no small matter if the mage had to use Blood Magic on the way then it could be over looked at the time.

The Champion of Kirkwall the only ones that really would have known she was a blood mage would be the companion that had unwavering loyalty to her. And already had a blood mage in our ranks, which we could agree with or protest against.

While if we were a blood mage in this setting Cassandra would most like murderer us on sight. Varric would start to feel uncomfortable from all he went through in Kirk wall with blood magic. Vivienne would surely protest against the use of blood magic and ruin us in Orlais most certainly not allowing the Empress to help us. Cullen would surely along with Cassandra try to kill us. Sera would leave just as soon as she learned of us being a blood mage.

Now what kinda inquisition would that be when everyone doesn't even believe and like the inquisitor

Now she keeper magic could be part of the game but then they'd mainly have to make a special case for every race then seeing as people would complain as to why do elves get a special class but no one else.

Now as a DLC keeper magic would be a awesome addition.

No, being a Blood Mage, had the subject been incorporated into dialog, would have been just as controversial in Origins and DA2 as it would have been in Inquisition. In Origins Alistair was a trained Templar taught to kill Blood Mages and Wynne was a pro Circle anti-Blood Magic Mage. Both of them would have had issues with Blood Magic. Blood Magic would have also eliminated the Templars as potential allies, limiting your options. Redcliffe wouldn't have been happy either considering Connor and Jowan. Being a Blood Mage is also another weapon Logain could have used to turn the nobles against you and considering the stigma it probably would have worked.

 

In DA2 the dynamic between Hawke and her/his Companions would have also been altered as Anders, Sebastian and Fenris are all incredibly anti-Blood Magic. I doubt very much that the people of Kirkwall would have embraced a Blood Mage Champion with open arms. Blood Magic is also punishable by death in White Chantry dominated cultures. Meredith could have just waltzed into Hawke's home, killed her/him and gone on her merry way. No one would have been able to do anything about it. And Cullen, considering his trauma at the Ferelden Circle and harsh views on Blood Magic and Mages in general at the time would not have tried to befriend you much less spare your life in the Mage friendly ending. Working with the Templars would have also been impossible and working with the Mages would have also had complications considering that any of them suspected of Blood Magic were being Tranquilized or killed.

 

Ah OK I think I kinda remember it now. But idk LMAO the blood magic in DA2 was kinda evil I mean even the magic your Hawke used.
*Stabbing herself with her staff
* Stealing life from your allies
Lol kinda creepy don't cha think

More "evil" than burning people alive or having them scream in Horror until they die? Blood Magic is a tool. It is only "evil" when the Chanty's repressive religion is involved. And the Chantry has had no problem utilizing the other Tools at a Mage's disposal in their wars and Exalted Marches.

[TraiHarder]

No, being a Blood Mage, had the subject been incorporated into dialog, would have been just as controversial in Origins and DA2 as it would have been in Inquisition. In Origins Alistair was a trained Templar taught to kill Blood Mages and Wynne was a pro Circle anti-Blood Magic Mage. Both of them would have had issues with Blood Magic. Blood Magic would have also eliminated the Templars as potential allies, limiting your options. Redcliffe wouldn't have been happy either considering Connor and Jowan. Being a Blood Mage is also another weapon Logain could have used to turn the nobles against you and considering the stigma it probably would have worked.

In DA2 the dynamic between Hawke and her/his Companions would have also been altered as Anders, Sebastian and Fenris are all incredibly anti-Blood Magic. I doubt very much that the people of Kirkwall would have embraced a Blood Mage Champion with open arms. Blood Magic is also punishable by death in White Chantry dominated cultures. Meredith could have just waltzed into Hawke's home, killed her/him and gone on her merry way. No one would have been able to do anything about it. And Cullen, considering his trauma at the Ferelden Circle and harsh views on Blood Magic and Mages in general at the time would not have tried to befriend you much less spare your life in the Mage friendly ending. Working with the Templars would have also been impossible and working with the Mages would have also had complications considering that any of them suspected of Blood Magic were being Tranquilized or killed.

More "evil" than burning people alive or having them scream in Horror until they die? Blood Magic is a tool. It is only "evil" when the Chanty's repressive religion is involved. And the Chantry has had no problem utilizing the other Tools at a Mage's disposal in their wars and Exalted Marches.

It's not even any fun to talk to you or even look at your post now.

You want Blood Magic so much that you'll try warp the truth to me it seem as if being a blood mage would have fit into the story. Sure they could have ignored it like they did in DA2 yes. But it would seem even more out of place if they did. Like I said CASSANDRA, CULLEN, VIVIENNE, VARRIC, SERA
would not have let you being Inquisitor if you were a blood mage.

And sadly enough you kinda need Cassandra to have the Inquisition sorry. It's not the point that other people would have used being a Blood Mage against you.

ITS THE POINT THAT YOUR OWN TEAM WOULD NOT ALLOW YOU TO RUN THE INQUISITION KNOWING YOUR A BLOOD MAGE. Let's alone be in the the Inquisition and Cassandra would be damned if she let's you leave.

A Blood Mage inquisitor would not have worked in any sense. Maybe if blood magic wasn't looked so badly upon then Yes by all means the inquisitor could have been a blood mage.


And yes Blood magic is pretty freaking creepy Standing ones self with their staff to gain more power is freaking creepy. Stealing life from your companions is creepy and definitely evil. Spraying your blood on a enemy to control them again creepy and evil dude.

It's ok if you like Blood Magic I do to its freaking awesome but it's also freaking creepy and a tad bit evil even when used for gold purposes with the example of our Cute Elf Meril

[Sports72Xtrm]

Blood magic isn't really evil. Maybe it's the game mechanics, but blood magic is basically trading hit points for mana points and some spells which can only be used with blood magic. It doesn't cripple those who use it, as I see it. any health you take can be restored with Creation magic so what's the harm? If you kill by making a person by hemorrhaging from every orifice when you were going to kill your foe by setting him on fire anyways, why is the former frowned upon but the latter not? Blood magic when you tap into blood without killing is like getting a tetna shot, you trade a little bit of pain for results and then use heal magic to patch your bleeder back to tip top shape. No harm no foul. If you start killing the innocent or summoning demons then yes, that is when it turns to abuse and it's time for everyone to freak out, But if the Inquisitor doesn't, well they should still follow. I don't think Varric has any problem with blood magic since he doesn't care about Merrill doing it, just the demon-mirror thing she's obsessed with creeps him out. The rest granted would be scared of the Inquisitor out of ignorance but at the end of the day, they still need to follow the Inquisitor to close the Breach.

[TraiHarder]

Blood magic isn't really evil. Maybe it's the game mechanics, but blood magic is basically trading hit points for mana points and some spells which can only be used with blood magic. It doesn't cripple those who use it, as I see it. any health you take can be restored with Creation magic so what's the harm? If you kill by making a person by hemorrhaging from every orifice when you were going to kill your foe by setting him on fire anyways, why is the former frowned upon but the latter not? Blood magic when you tap into blood without killing is like getting a tetna shot, you trade a little bit of pain for results and then use heal magic to patch your bleeder back to tip top shape. No harm no foul. If you start killing the innocent or summoning demons then yes, that is when it turns to abuse and it's time for everyone to freak out, But if the Inquisitor doesn't, well they should still follow. I don't think Varric has any problem with blood magic since he doesn't care about Merrill doing it, just the demon-mirror thing she's obsessed with creeps him out. The rest granted would be scared of the Inquisitor out of ignorance but at the end of the day, they still need to follow the Inquisitor to close the Breach.

Blood Magic can end up corrupting a person and makes that person more accessible to a demon coming to offer them a deal and tempt them. Which is the point many companions would have seen. It's not the point that oh the inquisitor isn't killing people to use for blood magic or summoning Demons so let's still follow him/her. It's oh he's using blood magic. How many demons have visited the famed inquisitor to get the power of his anchor. When will a demon just try to take his power for his own. Don't think I wanna deal with that nah.

Also don't look at it as a game mechanic look at it as the real deal. An yes it doesn't cripple those who use it to and extent depending on what they do with it, just as other schools of magic don't either. But it can hurt ones allies by taking their health to recover your own. An we have seen that blood magic can "cripple" those who use it as we have seen with the first Enchanter of Kirkwall he became something totally different from his blood magic and he didn't kill one person.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Blood Magic can end up corrupting a person and makes that person more accessible to a demon coming to offer them a deal and tempt them. Which is the point many companions would have seen. It's not the point that oh the inquisitor isn't killing people to use for blood magic or summoning Demons so let's still follow him/her. It's oh he's using blood magic. How many demons have visited the famed inquisitor to get the power of his anchor. When will a demon just try to take his power for his own. Don't think I wanna deal with that nah.

Any mage can be corrupted, they meet demons and spirits all the time when they dream and even Spirit Healers can be tricked into possession. That's not blood magic that's making someone crazy or evil they'd take any deal, it's that some mages are stupid enough to listen to a demon. Those who use blood magic wisely,who can use reason and self control, aren't desperate enough to summon a demon. Learning to be wise and using practical magic is better than eschewing it all together and paralyzing yourself with fear. And since the Inquisitor is fighting a darkspawn magisters, why shouldn't they use it when the Grey Wardens do as well?

 

 

 

Also don't look at it as a game mechanic look at it as the real deal. An yes it doesn't cripple those who use it to and extent depending on what they do with it, just as other schools of magic don't either. But it can hurt ones allies by taking their health to recover your own. An we have seen that blood magic can "cripple" those who use it as we have seen with the first Enchanter of Kirkwall he became something totally different from his blood magic and he didn't kill one person.

You can heal back those allies you've hurt so long as you don't kill them. And if you do kill them, you just made yourself a fugitive of the army protecting you from Corypheus so of course the Inquisitor will refrain from killing allies. Some blood magic spells are monstrous, definitely, like turning into a Harvester but since we know that particular spell turns you into a monster with no self control and it required deaths and numerous people, you know what to expect and just not use it. Solution is simple, don't turn yourself into a harvester by refraining from using that particular spell. How is it wise to eschew the entire branch of magic because of one bad spell? Spirit healing can lead to possession, but it'd be idiotic to eschew to it all together. Blood magic is no worse than any other magic if used properly.

[TraiHarder]

Any mage can be corrupted, they meet demons and spirits all the time when they dream and even Spirit Healers can be tricked into possession. That's not blood magic that's making someone crazy or evil they'd take any deal, it's that some mages are stupid enough to listen to a demon. Those who use blood magic wisely,who can use reason and self control, aren't desperate enough to summon a demon. Learning to be wise and using practical magic is better than eschewing it all together and paralyzing yourself with fear. And since the Inquisitor is fighting a darkspawn magisters, why shouldn't they use it when the Grey Wardens do as well?

You can heal back those allies you've hurt so long as you don't kill them. And if you do kill them, you just made yourself a fugitive of the army protecting you from Corypheus so of course the Inquisitor will refrain from killing allies. Some blood magic spells are monstrous, definitely, like turning into a Harvester but since we know that particular spell turns you into a monster with no self control and it required deaths and numerous people, you know what to expect and just not use it. Solution is simple, don't turn yourself into a harvester by refraining from using that particular spell. How is it wise to eschew the entire branch of magic because of one bad spell? Spirit healing can lead to possession, but it'd be idiotic to eschew to it all together. Blood magic is no worse than any other magic if used properly.

OK so you definitely didn't read what I said.

I said that blood mages are have a higher chance of being possessed and to make a deal with a demon. Because Demons are more likely to seek out a blood mage than a mage of another school. As I said what's stopping a demon from attacking the inquisitor to take their power. Being a blood mage and having the power of the anchor is a bit much for a demon to pass up. You don't have to summon a demon for one to find you. This would be a major concern for most of not all companions.

So stop thinking of it in terms of you want blood magic in the game think of it in terms of how the hell the companions would react. Like hell Cassandra, Vivienne, or Sera would be ok with you taking their health for your own. Even if you can heal then, which since you keep going back to game mechanics we don't have healing spells, they would say hell to the no and if you took it by force they'd definitely try to kill you. Or at least stop you.

And like I said Blood Magic has a inherently evil nature for the way one must cast spells. Cutting ones wrist, stabbing one self with their staff. These things are pretty evil and creepy

[Sports72Xtrm]

OK so you definitely didn't read what I said.

I said that blood mages are have a higher chance of being possessed and to make a deal with a demon. Because Demons are more likely to seek out a blood mage than a mage of another school. As I said what's stopping a demon from attacking the inquisitor to take their power. Being a blood mage and having the power of the anchor is a bit much for a demon to pass up. You don't have to summon a demon for one to find you. This would be a major concern for most of not all companions.

So stop thinking of it in terms of you want blood magic in the game think of it in terms of how the hell the companions would react. Like hell Cassandra, Vivienne, or Sera would be ok with you taking their health for your own. Even if you can heal then, which since you keep going back to game mechanics we don't have healing spells, they would say hell to the no and if you took it by force they'd definitely try to kill you. Or at least stop you.

And like I said Blood Magic has a inherently evil nature for the way one must cast spells. Cutting ones wrist, stabbing one self with their staff. These things are pretty evil and creepy

Demons don't have a preference, they possess whoever they can possess. You're stereotyping blood mages as those more prone for possession when any mage using whatever form of magic has an equal chance of getting possessed. If you are inherently evil in nature, that's what attracts demons to possess you not using blood magic. A mage inquisitor has the anchor and any demon wishing that power will attempt to possess them in their dreams if they can no matter what branch of magic they use, so the chances of possession is the same no matter what branch of magic you use. Thus they'd target a mage inquisitor anyways. Some get corrupted it's true, but that's because they were fooled by the demon not because they used blood magic.

 

It's not inherently evil to trade pain for ardous casting. It's a physical mechanic you use as a tool like a reaver does. Consider that blood magic is no more evil than any other branch of magic and that you eschewing it is out of fear created by your illogical stigma against it. There's no scientific evidence blood magic is no worse than any other magic if properly used.

[Kakistos_]

It's not even any fun to talk to you or even look at your post now.

You want Blood Magic so much that you'll try warp the truth to me it seem as if being a blood mage would have fit into the story. Sure they could have ignored it like they did in DA2 yes. But it would seem even more out of place if they did. Like I said CASSANDRA, CULLEN, VIVIENNE, VARRIC, SERA
would not have let you being Inquisitor if you were a blood mage.

And sadly enough you kinda need Cassandra to have the Inquisition sorry. It's not the point that other people would have used being a Blood Mage against you.

ITS THE POINT THAT YOUR OWN TEAM WOULD NOT ALLOW YOU TO RUN THE INQUISITION KNOWING YOUR A BLOOD MAGE. Let's alone be in the the Inquisition and Cassandra would be damned if she let's you leave.

A Blood Mage inquisitor would not have worked in any sense. Maybe if blood magic wasn't looked so badly upon then Yes by all means the inquisitor could have been a blood mage.


And yes Blood magic is pretty freaking creepy Standing ones self with their staff to gain more power is freaking creepy. Stealing life from your companions is creepy and definitely evil. Spraying your blood on a enemy to control them again creepy and evil dude.

It's ok if you like Blood Magic I do to its freaking awesome but it's also freaking creepy and a tad bit evil even when used for gold purposes with the example of our Cute Elf Meril

It doesn't really matter which game Blood Magic would have had more impact on, all impacts would have been significant as to disrupt suspension of disbelief. By the time the Herald is able to choose a specialization they would have already been crowned Inquisitor.