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[SgtSteel91]

Most mages can't do that either. 

 

Most Mages don't want to do that either.

[Ariella]

Can your husband destroy the city , put your nation in danger or threaten the world?
I can already tell the answer is no , anybody and anything can be dangerous question how much dangerous and that is pretty much reason why kitchen knife is treated differently than nuclear bomb.

Neither can one mage. Took seven mages plus thousands of sacrifices plus whatever support was needed to supply them to open the Veil. Not much different than say getting a bunch of phycists together with resources and support under the bleachers at UChicago.

The atomic bomb wasn't all that difficult to build with the resources, it was proving the theory. Which is why a lot of the scientists who worked on the project didn't want it used after Germany was defeated. Iirc, they saw the USSR as the next big threat and didn't want to show the Soviets atomic energy could be achieved.

Anders used alchemy. In fact, the game hints it's black powder.

Where do you think things like IEDs come from? This isn't rocket science. If you can get a design, it's not impossible or even improbable to build it. Why do you think people get nervous about things like dirty bombs?

So yes, in the right circumstances my husband could be that dangerous. Anyone with the right set of skills and motivation can. But jailing people for what they might do is foolish, especially when it deprives society of the benefits.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Andromelek, you've a good point.

My husband is a chemist, and when he was teaching an Intro course he opened it up telling his students that he knows how to make meth, certain explosives etc, but he's not teaching them. He'd say this to forestall the usual question about it.

So, my husband, with his education can be pretty dangerous should he choose. But he chooses not no be. Anybody can be dangerous. Mages are just a bit more flashy.

And yes, Tevinter has Circles, but if one listens to Dorian they are not 'dingy mage prisons'. They're educational institutions, and it if one identifies with his Circle, it seems much like someone identifying as an alumni of a college.

 

So why does your husband not teach them to create meth/explosives, then? Anybody can be dangerous.

 

And educational institutions are more than simply places where you learn things. They are also places with rules and disciplinary action.

The Circles in the south are not prisons nor are lesser educational institutes than the ones in Tevinter just because they discipline their charges. That is a necessary component for any decent school, and Tevinter fails for its disregard. You cannot expel mages to punish them, though, because then they just become other people's problem.

 

 

accepting the position of Divine makes her no different than the Imperium,

 

Only in one way, allowing mages to hold a title (the only worthwhile thing about Turdvinter). Apart from that they have nothing in common.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Most mages can't do that either. 

 

Demons can, and all mages are at risk of possession.

 

Connor could not even cast spells correctly before he was possessed but took over the city with Desire's influence.

[TobiTobsen]

So yes, in the right circumstances my husband could be that dangerous. Anyone with the right set of skills and motivation can. But jailing people for what they might do is foolish, especially when it deprives society of the benefits.

 

I marked the important parts.

 

Your husband needs equipment, the right set of skills and motivation. A mage needs nothing of that to be dangerous.

[Drasanil]

And Viv's a hypocite, accepting the position of Divine makes her no different than the Imperium, a mage 'serving' the Chantry by ruling over it and the Faithful.

 

Not really. Outside of governing the use of magic, the Chantry doesn't actually rule over anything. It has a good deal of cultural influence and spiritual authority, but most of the actual political power does not reside with it. 

[Ariella]

[quote name="Professor X" post="19610443" timestamp="1440701077"]So why does your husband not teach them to create meth/explosives, then? Anybody can be dangerous.[/quote]

Yuph, but it doesn't mean he feels the need to contribute to any person's ability, does it?

That horrible old saw about knowledge being power is true. Of course with the internet, it's not that difficult to get this information anyway.

[Quote]
And educational institutions are more than simply places where you learn things. They are also places with rules and disciplinary action.
The Circles in the south are not prisons.
 
Ferelden Circle, considered a more liberal institution stopped allowing mages time 'in the yard' because Anders tried to swim across the lake to freedom. Tell me again how this is an educational institution not a prison.

And while we're talking dangerous, let's talk about the Rite, shall we? A power that for all intents and puroses takes away any sense of self? And while it is supposed to only be used on those who request it or those both the first enchanter and the knight commander consider unfit, the potential for abuse by the templars is clear. You have a group trained to fight and kill mages, backed by abilities that null magic and they have a rite that destroys everything you are.

Everyone is dangerous given the right circumstances. There's always potential for abuse.

[Drasanil]

Ferelden Circle, considered a more liberal institution stopped allowing mages time 'in the yard' because Anders tried to swim across the lake to freedom. Tell me again how this is an educational institution not a prison.

 

Admittedly, that was wrong of them. They should have just executed Anders and let the other mages enjoy their sunshine. 

[Ariella]

Not really. Outside of governing the use of magic, the Chantry doesn't actually rule over anything. It has a good deal of cultural influence and spiritual authority, but most of the actual political power does not reside with it.

Think about what Leliana says about the Chantry. Having moral authority in an age like in DA is political power.

There is a reason why the IQ has to go talk to the Grand Clerics, because the Chantry denouncement, if allowed to stand would have hobbled the Inquisition.

I marked the important parts.
 
Your husband needs equipment, the right set of skills and motivation. A mage needs nothing of that to be dangerous.

Motivation... anyone needs motivation. And do you know how easy it actually is to get some of the more dangerous things together? Not that much. It's not instantly like a mage, but the prep time really doesn't matter all that much to those who are harmed.

Theroretically, the point if a Harrowing is to test a mage's will against possession. If that's actually the case, it's graduation day. So they shouldn't be any more 'dangerous' than anyone else being they have shown the will to resist possession.

And consider, locking mages up gives more than a few of them motivation to get out.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Most mages can't do that either. 

No? <coughing> blights , creating an army of undead and killing entire castle full of knights , tearing veil apart ,summoning army of demons and so goes on.

 

 

Most Mages don't want to do that either.

Said it many times, doesn't matter if they want or not what matters that they can and do.

 

 

 

Neither can one mage. Took seven mages plus thousands of sacrifices plus whatever support was needed to supply them to open the Veil. Not much different than say getting a bunch of phycists together with resources and support under the bleachers at UChicago.

The atomic bomb wasn't all that difficult to build with the resources, it was proving the theory. Which is why a lot of the scientists who worked on the project didn't want it used after Germany was defeated. Iirc, they saw the USSR as the next big threat and didn't want to show the Soviets atomic energy could be achieved.

Anders used alchemy. In fact, the game hints it's black powder.

Where do you think things like IEDs come from? This isn't rocket science. If you can get a design, it's not impossible or even improbable to build it. Why do you think people get nervous about things like dirty bombs?

So yes, in the right circumstances my husband could be that dangerous. Anyone with the right set of skills and motivation can. But jailing people for what they might do is foolish, especially when it deprives society of the benefits.

 

Yes they can ,i already pointed it out it took single child abomnation to take out entire castle full of knights and village avoiding that it was creating an army of undead.Considering personal power mages possess it wouldn't be too much of problem for free mage to repeat process avoiding that for a mage that is just one way ,as corypheus proved he was danger even without it.

 

Nuclear bomb are in the hand of the nations not an individuals as i said good luck with building or getting hands on nuclear bomb.

 

Oh rly you need to show me black powder that does that.

 

And once again good luck with ,i had a friend once who was into explosives (and they weren't very dangerous) and lets say that he had drastic wake up.

 

Once again your husband wouldn't be threat even for a city at worst he would be able to harm small groups of people what he would need to do deliberately unlike mages.So going by yours brilliant conclusion everything should be treated equally because everything simply can be dangerous not based on how dangerous it is...  

[TobiTobsen]

Motivation... anyone needs motivation. And do you know how easy it actually is to get some of the more dangerous things together? Not that much. It's not instantly like a mage, but the prep time really doesn't matter all that much to those who are harmed.

Theroretically, the point if a Harrowing is to test a mage's will against possession. If that's actually the case, it's graduation day. So they shouldn't be any more 'dangerous' than anyone else being they have shown the will to resist possession.

And consider, locking mages up gives more than a few of them motivation to get out.

 

You don't need a motivation to be possessed.

 

Once again the argument is "But a lord could..." - "my husband, with the right tools and preparation, could..." - "An army could...".

A single mage needs nothing to be dangerous. Meredith sister and Connor were both kids and killed 50+ people without preparation, materials, weapons or other people to do their bidding at their disposal.

[BansheeOwnage]

There was no record of any world devouring armies of monsters lead by Archdemons prior to the Magisters' experiment with the Golden City. Even if the darkspawn taint existed prior to that, it seems very likely they were the cause of the Blights.

I think that the magisters at most brought on the blights, not created them through anger from the maker. I find it more likely the blight is some form of bioweapon created by the elves, or something along those lines.

[Andromelek]

No? <coughing> blights , creating an army of undead and killing entire castle full of knights , tearing veil apart ,summoning army of demons and so goes on.



Said it many times, doesn't matter if they want or not what matters that they can and do.





Yes they can ,i already pointed it out it took single child abomnation to take out entire castle full of knights and village avoiding that it was creating an army of undead.Considering personal power mages possess it wouldn't be too much of problem for free mage to repeat process avoiding that for a mage that is just one way ,as corypheus proved he was danger even without it.

Nuclear bomb are in the hand of the nations not an individuals as i said good luck with building or getting hands on nuclear bomb.

Oh rly you need to show me black powder that does that.

And once again good luck with ,i had a friend once who was into explosives (and they weren't very dangerous) and lets say that he had drastic wake up.

Once again your husband wouldn't be threat even for a city at worst he would be able to harm small groups of people what he would need to do deliberately unlike mages.So going by yours brilliant conclusion everything should be treated equally because everything simply can be dangerous not based on how dangerous it is...

She already pointed out that it took seven very powerful mages and a shocking amount of blood to spread the Blight, Connor was possessed by a demon and while mages call more their attention actually anyone can fall under their possession, just ask to Sophia, the Templars on Fereldan Circle and even Hakkon and the Rock Wraiths.

No, the Blight is not a Knife, it is more like a biological weapon, and you'll be shocked, because actually is pretty easy make one, the only thing you need is a sample of bacteria, you try to f*ck them with antibiotics, cold and heat, then the survivors will be incredibly resilient, a simple sample of hardened bacteria can unleash a mess and government can't keep all diseases out of reach.

Back to Dumat, your arguments are illogical (to put it lightly) you told me to not use stories that people tell and that's exactly what you are using now, the Chant of Light is not all true, and your second reliable source is the word of a mad man that more than one character pointed out to be confused, in fact he shows some degree of amnesia like his pale folk, and yet it doesn't change the fact it was a voice, the cursed Dragon never was seen until he came as an Archdemon, hell, even Corypheus claims to be uncertain of their existence in his last moments.

Templar supporter am I right? that would explain a lot.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Sorry for late response... had to break for lunch and then ran some errands.

 

Yup, but it doesn't mean he feels the need to contribute to any person's ability, does it?

That horrible old saw about knowledge being power is true. Of course with the internet, it's not that difficult to get this information anyway.

 

So we agree that dangerous things should not be enabled beyond reason, then. Good. Remember that.

And, you know what else is power?

Magic.
 

Ferelden Circle, considered a more liberal institution stopped allowing mages time 'in the yard' because Anders tried to swim across the lake to freedom. Tell me again how this is an educational institution not a prison.

 

I already told you how.

 

Educational institutes (especially boarding-schools, which is very much what the Circle of Magi is) do not simply teach things to its students, they also have rules and take disciplinary-action. What Anders was doing is truancy (and we know what he did with his freedom). What the Circle did was group-discipline, which is actually a more effective technique than limiting punishment to the individual in question. It is more likely to deter rule-breaking, for one thing (though not with selfish pricks like Anders). It also makes others more responsible about reporting/preempting rule-breakers. It is not unlikely that Anders had help in his escape, so it makes sense to extend the punishment to all for what he did.

 

And the Fereldan Circle is not really "liberal." It is more of a "mixed-bag" -- in some ways liberal, other ways strict.

 

And while we're talking dangerous, let's talk about the Rite, shall we? A power that for all intents and puroses takes away any sense of self? And while it is supposed to only be used on those who request it or those both the first enchanter and the knight commander consider unfit, the potential for abuse by the templars is clear. You have a group trained to fight and kill mages, backed by abilities that null magic and they have a rite that destroys everything you are.

Everyone is dangerous given the right circumstances. There's always potential for abuse.

 

The Rite is still limited to use on an individual basis. Magic carries far more widespread damage potential. You were willing to overlook that earlier because anybody can be dangerous. So, if the Rite is unacceptable, why isn't un-certified use of magic?

[TheKomandorShepard]

She already pointed out that it took seven very powerful mages and a shocking amount of blood to spread the Blight, Connor was possessed by a demon and while mages call more their attention actually anyone can fall under their possession, just ask to Sophia, the Templars on Fereldan Circle and even Hakkon and the Rock Wraiths.

No, the Blight is not a Knife, it is more like a biological weapon, and you'll be shocked, because actually is pretty easy make one, the only thing you need is a sample of bacteria, you try to f*ck them with antibiotics, cold and heat, then the survivors will be incredibly resilient, a simple sample of hardened bacteria can unleash a mess and government can't keep all diseases out of reach.

Back to Dumat, your arguments are illogical (to put it lightly) you told me to not use stories that people tell and that's exactly what you are using now, the Chant of Light is not all true, and your second reliable source is the word of a mad man that more than one character pointed out to be confused, in fact he shows some degree of amnesia like his pale folk, and yet it doesn't change the fact it was a voice, the cursed Dragon never was seen until he came as an Archdemon, hell, even Corypheus claims to be uncertain of their existence in his last moments.

Templar supporter am I right? that would explain a lot.

And?I have already pointed irrelevant pretty much not much problem for free mages avoiding as i said that is one of many for mage to do what they did.Also what is your point, so what that connor was possessed by demon pretty much demonic possession is part of being mage ,also in first place all of your examples of demonic possession were caused by mages .

 

Of course i bet you have over 20 deadly viruses that could destroy human kind in your house...

 

Eee yeah keep making stuff up that i told you something in first place i never told you to not use stories unless you are refering to my statment about dalish and that those guys don't have pretty much idea what is going on and their stories are pushed away even by solas and flemeth.From what i recall i used chantry part of the story that was confirmed by corypheus so that part is pushed by both chantry and corypheus.And your point is? It was voice and that is how old gods communicated in first place so yes pretty much Corypheus and other mages knew that old gods exist and they in fact communicated with them so that it was the voice says nothing.     

Not rly templar supporter as i don't find them competent enough to deal with mages properly. 

[Andromelek]

And?I have already pointed irrelevant pretty much not much problem for free mages avoiding as i said that is one of many for mage to do what they did.Also what is your point, so what that connor was possessed by demon pretty much demonic possession is part of being mage ,also in first place all of your examples of demonic possession were caused by mages .
 
Of course i bet you have over 20 deadly viruses that could destroy human kind in your house...
 
Eee yeah keep making stuff up that i told you something in first place i never told you to not use stories unless you are refering to my statment about dalish and that those guys don't have pretty much idea what is going on and their stories are pushed away even by solas and flemeth.From what i recall i used chantry part of the story that was confirmed by corypheus so that part is pushed by both chantry and corypheus.And your point is? It was voice and that is how old gods communicated in first place so yes pretty much Corypheus and other mages knew that old gods exist and they in fact communicated with them so that it was the voice says nothing.     
Not rly templar supporter as i don't find them competent enough to deal with mages properly.

Sophia had a deal with the demon as I recall, Hakkon's vessel dragon was tamed without magic and ate some herbs to be possessed which is not actually magic, not to mention that the Primeval thaig was abandoned long ago, and there wasn't any mage close to the Rock Wraiths.

First viruses and bacterias are not the same, both can adapt and be used as biological weapons but bacterias are easily obtained and controlled, you seem to believe that nuclear weapons are the worst but their effects are slow and have limits to spread, while biological weapons are fast to spread and to screw people, and indeed there have been cases of bioterrorism while the only ones who like to mess with nuclear weapons are the governments and it seems they use them more as a desperate measure.

No mage ever wanted to destroy the world nor the mankind, not even Corypheus, the only dude who wanted to destroy the world happened to be a seeker who wasn't possessed nor under control of any magic.

Flemeth and Solas disagreed with the Dalish legends, but what Solas said about elven gods perfectly matched with the monstrous stories on the Temple of Mythal, and no, I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about the last discussion where I used a codex entry to defend my point, and you said those were just stories, same stories like the Chantry's, there is a good example of how the Chant of Light is not right about everything, on the Chant Maferath betrayed Andraste for being jealous, while proper research have pointed out that he did betrayed her because he wanted to rule the lands she conquered, not because he was jealous of an imaginary boyfriend. And then Corypheus said he was under Dumat's command but then he said that "if you really exist, if you ever existed" so pretty sure he was following someone's voice but he never met Dumat and he wasn't even sure the voice was his.

So you are not templar supporter but a mage hater, good to know.

[Ariella]

And the Fereldan Circle is not really "liberal." It is more of a "mixed-bag" -- in some ways liberal, other ways strict.

Nope, they're pretty much on the cutting edge of what passes for liberal in the Circles, especially when you look at the other extreme in Kirkwall.

Still doesn't make it any less of a prison.
 

The Rite is still limited to use on an individual basis. Magic carries far more widespread damage potential. You were willing to overlook that earlier because anybody can be dangerous. So, if the Rite is unacceptable, why isn't un-certified

Because it's too 'useful' as a control and potential threat against a captive population where there is no true outside oversight. Even the worst a school master can do for discipline is caning. Prisons can throw you in administrative segregation. Neither can completely destroy you personality, unless we see clockwork orange DA style.

The biggest problem though is the majority of mages don't have a stake in the world. Give them that. Educate them in the Circles and turn the Templars into a magical law enforcement in truth.

The Chant of Light says: Magic is to serve man, not rule over him. But the rest of the verse does not speak of all mages, only the ones "Who have taken His gift and turned it against his children." That's Transfiguration 1:1-5

And then of course we had mages in the Seekers, including the last Inquisitor.

We have evidence that mages can and do function in a healthy society. And no, I'm not looking at Tevinter.

In fact, if you want me to point out what my ideal Circle would have been Dairsmuid in Rivain. They were declared apostates because they mixed freely with their families and trained women as seers.

They were brutally annulled in 9:40.

[Lady Artifice]

Vivienne is a excellent orator, and an exceptional politician. People continually try to look for a right and wrong side to this, all the while ignoring that it's all deliberately written to be an almost unsolvable problem.

And you want to look to Tevinter for the answer to why the circle philosophy is flawed? The place where blood magic is necessary to have any considerable degree of power and influence? That won't go over well, and it's not necessary. Look to the Avvar. They've apparently been willingly becoming possessed and curing themselves of possession while "civilized" southern Thedas squabbles over the problem of how many mages they can slaughter and abuse before the system crumbles in on itself. Until it actually did.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Nope, they're pretty much on the cutting edge of what passes for liberal in the Circles, especially when you look at the other extreme in Kirkwall.

 

Your first problem was comparing it to Kirkwall.

 

Fereldan is not the other extreme. It is somewhere in the middle, where Monnsimard's Circle (where Vivienne went) would be closer to the "liberal" end.

 

And remember, Kirkwall is base in just about every way -- mage relations notwithstanding.

 

The biggest problem though is the majority of mages don't have a stake in the world. Give them that. Educate them in the Circles and turn the Templars into a magical law enforcement in truth.

The Chant of Light says: Magic is to serve man, not rule over him. But the rest of the verse does not speak of all mages, only the ones "Who have taken His gift and turned it against his children." That's Transfiguration 1:1-5

 

Well, I agree, that is why Vivienne is my favorite Divine-elect -- greater opportunity awaits the mages, provided they go through proper channels.

 

Also, one of my issues with the Circle was Templars having too much power and mages too little, so it was a pleasant surprise that Vivienne changes exactly that (depending on which side the Inquisition recruited, mages getting more rights or Templars holding less).

 

Which, BTW, is another reason why I reject the theory that Vivienne accepted the position solely for the power of it. Were there truth to the theory, she would be content to sit on her hands after being named Divine. Nobody told her to enact those reforms, which for the most part just put her position at risk, yet she did.
 

And then of course we had mages in the Seekers, including the last Inquisitor.

Hah. Mage "Templars" has been an idea of mine for a while now.
 

In fact, if you want me to point out what my ideal Circle would have been Dairsmuid in Rivain. They were declared apostates because they mixed freely with their families and trained women as seers.

They were brutally annulled in 9:40.

Willful possession is madness. The Templars were right to annul IMO.

[The Baconer]

Willful possession is madness. The Templars were right to annul IMO.

 

Yet those who ordered it were touched by an angel.

 

The Seers probably helped the Templars more than the Seekers ever did.

[Drasanil]

The Seers probably helped the Templars more than the Seekers ever did.

 

If going abomination and causing natural disaster levels of damage on a semi-regular basis is what you mean by "help" then yes, I imagine they did. 

[dragonflight288]

If going abomination and causing natural disaster levels of damage on a semi-regular basis is what you mean by "help" then yes, I imagine they did.

Abominations, and the "natural disasters in Rivain" are rare, and even the Chantry acknowledges this.

It's not semi-regular, as many seem to think.

[The Baconer]

If going abomination and causing natural disaster levels of damage on a semi-regular basis is what you mean by "help" then yes, I imagine they did. 

 

A "semi-regular basis" is implied absolutely nowhere, while being a completely meaningless phrase in addition. What data are we using to designate abomination occurrence as semi-regular? What's regular, what's rare?

 

Examining it from a different perspective, let's look at the Circle system as it was (when it worked), and how it will be in the future. Mages who have conducted themselves in a responsible manner can be allowed to live away from the Circle for extended periods of time, and even some mages who are not as experienced (Rhys being sent to Tevinter, of all places). Some of these are even allowed to hold positions that carry political power, like Wynne, Vivienne, and the Mortalitasi.

 

However, all mages are risks, no matter how virtuous or well-grounded they are in life. Every instance of this privilege being granted is a calculated risk, with the Chantry and the Templars being fully aware of the potential consequences. No matter what methods or practices we use to mitigate this risk, we must concede that, the worst-case scenario will happen at points in time, and has happened. Yet, when it does, the entire system of trust is not summarily revoked, even if it does get periodically reexamined and/or reworked.

 

The Chantry, and the population of people who accept the existence of these mages and even interact with them, have thus decided to go on with their lives in spite of an ever-present threat that could turn fatal on a large scale.

 

It's almost like... like...

[TheKomandorShepard]

Sophia had a deal with the demon as I recall, Hakkon's vessel dragon was tamed without magic and ate some herbs to be possessed which is not actually magic, not to mention that the Primeval thaig was abandoned long ago, and there wasn't any mage close to the Rock Wraiths.

First viruses and bacterias are not the same, both can adapt and be used as biological weapons but bacterias are easily obtained and controlled, you seem to believe that nuclear weapons are the worst but their effects are slow and have limits to spread, while biological weapons are fast to spread and to screw people, and indeed there have been cases of bioterrorism while the only ones who like to mess with nuclear weapons are the governments and it seems they use them more as a desperate measure.

No mage ever wanted to destroy the world nor the mankind, not even Corypheus, the only dude who wanted to destroy the world happened to be a seeker who wasn't possessed nor under control of any magic.

Flemeth and Solas disagreed with the Dalish legends, but what Solas said about elven gods perfectly matched with the monstrous stories on the Temple of Mythal, and no, I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about the last discussion where I used a codex entry to defend my point, and you said those were just stories, same stories like the Chantry's, there is a good example of how the Chant of Light is not right about everything, on the Chant Maferath betrayed Andraste for being jealous, while proper research have pointed out that he did betrayed her because he wanted to rule the lands she conquered, not because he was jealous of an imaginary boyfriend. And then Corypheus said he was under Dumat's command but then he said that "if you really exist, if you ever existed" so pretty sure he was following someone's voice but he never met Dumat and he wasn't even sure the voice was his.

So you are not templar supporter but a mage hater, good to know.

 

Sophia was possessed because avernus brought demons across veil and torn veil... Hakkon was brought into real world by a mages... also in first place rock wraith were nothing more but pretty much rocks possessed by demons not human... and you seem operate on insane logic that if it is abandoned it means it was always there and if there was no mage there that means no-mage was involved by that logic no-mage was involved into creating harvesters in amgarrak because we don't see mage around.

 

In first place who said it was the same ,i simply mocked your claims it is supposedly said it is easliy done , what is ridiculous statment ,as no it isn't so easliy done if it was pretty much we would be dying right now. In first place cases of Bioterrorism are almost non-existent and pretty much all of them were pitiful.  

 

I don't found anything that solas said connected to that ,unless there is something i don't know... 

I don't know what you are talking about and i don't even know about what story you are talking about but as i said chantry version about black city had a lot truth in it and that specific part was confirmed once again by one of magisters.Also Corypheus knows an old gods existed as i said in first place they were in contact and he knows about an old gods and archdemons as he even creates his dragon on resemblance , when he said that he was praying for help so pretty much he is talking about them being actual gods not whether they exist or not.

 

So i guess if somone points fact that mages are in fact dangerous they are mage haters ,yeah... 

[Qun00]

Some mages are extremists like Anders and believe anything can by justified by the pursuit if freedom.

Others are brainwashed by the Chantry and believe their kind are born monsters.

You want someone that represents a true middle ground? That's Cassandra.