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[Andromelek]

Sophia was possessed because avernus brought demons across veil and torn veil... Hakkon was brought into real world by a mages... also in first place rock wraith were nothing more but pretty much rocks possessed by demons not human... and you seem operate on insane logic that if it is abandoned it means it was always there and if there was no mage there that means no-mage was involved by that logic no-mage was involved into creating harvesters in amgarrak because we don't see mage around.

In first place who said it was the same ,i simply mocked your claims it is supposedly said it is easliy done , what is ridiculous statment ,as no it isn't so easliy done if it was pretty much we would be dying right now. In first place cases of Bioterrorism are almost non-existent and pretty much all of them were pitiful.

I don't found anything that solas said connected to that ,unless there is something i don't know...
I don't know what you are talking about and i don't even know about what story you are talking about but as i said chantry version about black city had a lot truth in it and that specific part was confirmed once again by one of magisters.Also Corypheus knows an old gods existed as i said in first place they were in contact and he knows about an old gods and archdemons as he even creates his dragon on resemblance , when he said that he was praying for help so pretty much he is talking about them being actual gods not whether they exist or not.

So i guess if somone points fact that mages are in fact dangerous they are mage haters ,yeah...

I assume you have not played the Descent and you never got the Codex Entry of the profane, Rock Wraiths never were "just rocks" they clearly had lyrium veins, if you haven't played the Descent I won't spoil you, but the codex entry of the profane suggests it was written by dwarves that were trapped within the time and ate red lyrium as their last resource, no mage here, and if I remember correctly, on the Golems of Amgarrak it was stated that a blood mage was trying to recreate Caridin's work with dwarven support.

Yeah, I realized long ago that you are unable to keep an argument without using mocks to support it, which only makes you see as a desperate, in the first place, I remind you that you were the moron who began to speak about nuclear bombs and real weapons while I first pointed out samples of technology in Thedas, and we are not dead because requires knowledge, a strong disease sample and certain degree of madness or hate, but mind yourself that the world and especially the humans are not as strong or resilient as you want to see them.

Your memory is not so good then, I meant our argue about Yavana, where I used WOT2 to support she wasn't as bad and selfish as you wanted to paint her, and you immediately stated that WOT doesn't count because those are stories the people counts, same happens with the Chant of Light, it reflects a reality but not everything on it happened as it was portrayed, and again, both Chantry and Corypheus said was Dumat's voice, but Dumat never appeared, since you like real life examples, it's like if some anonymous user comes to say he is David Gaider he can speak, argue and even convince some people he really is, but he can't be trusted until it's confirmed by an official account or if you are directly seeing him. And Corypheus' Dragon does not count, she was made at the resemblance of an Archdemon that certainly existed, but as Archdemons they have no remain of the mighty beings that people claims they once were, and even less show any clue of that they were clever and able to speak with people, like with the elven gods, we only know the Old Gods were beings of immense power, but not to what degree since we haven't found any untainted.

If you are not mage hater, you really strike me as one, you said Templars do not deal of mages properly, and that is a variable that goes from permissive circles to ruthless and abusive circles, with properly balanced circles included, if you believe that's not enough then what do you want them to do? Turn mages into a some kind of golem which still feeling pain like the Qunari do with their Saarebas, or you rather prefer to kill them all? Fun thing of fiction is that humans always have something to fear and their first ideas are always repress it or simply wipe it out, it seems justified, but when someone/something applies the same to them, then they are poor victims, running and crying as faggots that believe they didn't deserve that.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I assume you have not played the Descent and you never got the Codex Entry of the profane, Rock Wraiths never were "just rocks" they clearly had lyrium veins, if you haven't played the Descent I won't spoil you, but the codex entry of the profane suggests it was written by dwarves that were trapped within the time and ate red lyrium as their last resource, no mage here, and if I remember correctly, on the Golems of Amgarrak it was stated that a blood mage was trying to recreate Caridin's work with dwarven support.

Yeah, I realized long ago that you are unable to keep an argument without using mocks to support it, which only makes you see as a desperate, in the first place, I remind you that you were the moron who began to speak about nuclear bombs and real weapons while I first pointed out samples of technology in Thedas, and we are not dead because requires knowledge, a strong disease sample and certain degree of madness or hate, but mind yourself that the world and especially the humans are not as strong or resilient as you want to see them.

Your memory is not so good then, I meant our argue about Yavana, where I used WOT2 to support she wasn't as bad and selfish as you wanted to paint her, and you immediately stated that WOT doesn't count because those are stories the people counts, same happens with the Chant of Light, it reflects a reality but not everything on it happened as it was portrayed, and again, both Chantry and Corypheus said was Dumat's voice, but Dumat never appeared, since you like real life examples, it's like if some anonymous user comes to say he is David Gaider he can speak, argue and even convince some people he really is, but he can't be trusted until it's confirmed by an official account or if you are directly seeing him. And Corypheus' Dragon does not count, she was made at the resemblance of an Archdemon that certainly existed, but as Archdemons they have no remain of the mighty beings that people claims they once were, and even less show any clue of that they were clever and able to speak with people, like with the elven gods, we only know the Old Gods were beings of immense power, but not to what degree since we haven't found any untainted.

If you are not mage hater, you really strike me as one, you said Templars do not deal of mages properly, and that is a variable that goes from permissive circles to ruthless and abusive circles, with properly balanced circles included, if you believe that's not enough then what do you want them to do? Turn mages into a some kind of golem which still feeling pain like the Qunari do with their Saarebas, or you rather prefer to kill them all? Fun thing of fiction is that humans always have something to fear and their first ideas are always repress it or simply wipe it out, it seems justified, but when someone/something applies the same to them, then they are poor victims, running and crying as faggots that believe they didn't deserve that.

 

I didn't play descend and pretty much rock wraiths are just a living rocks and you don't know if mage was involved or not but in the end it is doesn't matter because as i said rock wraiths are just living rocks and while vulnerable to demonic possession it still doesn't create an abomnation nor is demonic possession of normal person..   

 

I use mocks simple to point how ridiculous are things you are saying ,i already pointed that avoiding it is miles from easy as you claim to be biological weapon is pretty much as far goes more fear weapon than destruction weapon and any "unauthorized" use pretty much was laughable and not much of the threat.Yes i was one who was talking about nuclear weapon and what of it?Pretty much i pointed that dangerous technology and very dangerous things are dealt with extreme security what is true.And as i alredy pointed thedas doesn't not have weapons of mass destruction

 

Because it were folks stories and here it ends so it didn't hold much of value possible truth possibly false, i see im obligated repeat myself for the third time once  again ,chantry version isn't just empty story in fact it was correct in many matters and revelant part here was confirmed by Corypheus that Dumat told him to go to black city that it was his voice doesn't matter.In first place internet isn't same thing because pretty much person is completely anonymous when during voice contact (for an example by using telephone) you can tell who is who.      

 

LoL Corypheus archdemon does count once again it supposed look and did look like an archdemon that were in fact old gods that got infected  with taint,so yes corypheus was aware that Dumat and another old gods existed and as i said his words didn't question their existance but simple their godhood.

 

How about to them be competent?Just being ruthless doesn't make you effective you have to be smart about it.Templars aren't in many matters and circles don't provide optimal security as an example i can point many mages escaping from circles ,mages practicing blood magic within circle or just outright soft people that are templars like Thrask and shouldn't be templars. It is pretty much obvious for me that circles are too soft and provide mages with too much freedom as you can say by that they practice blood magic in circles or pretty much mages like orsino have enough freedom and power to support and help crazy blood mages outside circles.

Im for extermination and i don't say mages should be happy about it ,i simply say it is how world works and some threat need to be dealt with so society can prosper.           

[Wulfram]

Some mages are extremists like Anders and believe anything can by justified by the pursuit if freedom.

Others are brainwashed by the Chantry and believe their kind are born monsters.

You want someone that represents a true middle ground? That's Cassandra.

Placing Mages back under the "protection" of the order of fanatics that were just waging war on mages is not a moderate position.

[Andromelek]

I didn't play descend and pretty much rock wraiths are just a living rocks and you don't know if mage was involved or not but in the end it is doesn't matter because as i said rock wraiths are just living rocks and while vulnerable to demonic possession it still doesn't create an abomnation nor is demonic possession of normal person..   
 
I use mocks simple to point how ridiculous are things you are saying ,i already pointed that avoiding it is miles from easy as you claim to be biological weapon is pretty much as far goes more fear weapon than destruction weapon and any "unauthorized" use pretty much was laughable and not much of the threat.Yes i was one who was talking about nuclear weapon and what of it?Pretty much i pointed that dangerous technology and very dangerous things are dealt with extreme security what is true.And as i alredy pointed thedas doesn't not have weapons of mass destruction

 
Because it were folks stories and here it ends so it didn't hold much of value possible truth possibly false, i see im obligated repeat myself for the third time once  again ,chantry version isn't just empty story in fact it was correct in many matters and revelant part here was confirmed by Corypheus that Dumat told him to go to black city that it was his voice doesn't matter.In first place internet isn't same thing because pretty much person is completely anonymous when during voice contact (for an example by using telephone) you can tell who is who.      
 
LoL Corypheus archdemon does count once again it supposed look and did look like an archdemon that were in fact old gods that got infected  with taint,so yes corypheus was aware that Dumat and another old gods existed and as i said his words didn't question their existance but simple their godhood.

 
How about to them be competent?Just being ruthless doesn't make you effective you have to be smart about it.Templars aren't in many matters and circles don't provide optimal security as an example i can point many mages escaping from circles ,mages practicing blood magic within circle or just outright soft people that are templars like Thrask and shouldn't be templars. It is pretty much obvious for me that circles are too soft and provide mages with too much freedom as you can say by that they practice blood magic in circles or pretty much mages like orsino have enough freedom and power to support and help crazy blood mages outside circles.
Im for extermination and i don't say mages should be happy about it ,i simply say it is how world works and some threat need to be dealt with so society can prosper.

Yeah living rocks, who have mages live on your delusion if you want.

Of course, biological weapons are laughable until someone drops one close, then I don't think you'll have a smile on the face, and your argument of mages being like nukes, it's far away from truth, the most powerful mages we met still have struggles to solve their problems, if they would had the power you claim they have they wouldn't have such problems. so your excuse for mocks it's unjustified, beside I've seen you mock your counterparts on every debate where you decide to speak.

Legends are legends, no matter if they are told on a village or if written on a "sacred" book, they always tell a truth surrounded by mysticism, which mean not every part is true, as I pointed out before with Maferath, here we have the testimonial notes of people who lived on the times of the magisters, and they claim the country was on crisis and the priests desperate, also testimony from the beginning of the First Blight claimed that it had been many years (if not centuries) since no one saw Dumat, and while on real life there are voice modulators able to fool someone, on Thedas there are demons that often are pretty good voice actors and love to fool people.

Red Lyrium Dragon is a mimic of a sick Old God, something that Corypheus could see during the First Blight but not before, also, it was on display to mock Old Gods, something he likely wouldn't do if he was certain of their existence, the only one who has seen an uncorrupted Old God is the Architect and that was after his rule as priest, he didn't delayed much on screw it and he didn't said anything of the Dragon speaking to him.

Killing all mages wouldn't do things much better, as Solas pointed out, the rifts on the Veil surge naturally with time and bloodshed, even if no mage was screwing around, mage Trevelyan and Vivienne don't complain much about their circles and didn't say their mages were abusing of soft Templars. Spirits, Mages and Demons aren't the only magic creatures either, Dragons and Titans also have magic on their blood, enough to grant to the normal people the power of a killing machine. And here comes the part when I tell you that you are an intolerant person, you are up for mage extermination because they are dangerous, but if another society determines humans are dangerous and begin to kill every human, you wouldn't understand their reasons nor justify their actions, would you? For certain I tell the answer is no.

[Dai Grepher]

Mage extermination is shortsighted, since new mages will always be born.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Mage extermination is shortsighted, since new mages will always be born.

And mages are the only advantage thedas has against the qunari

[TobiTobsen]

Mage extermination is shortsighted, since new mages will always be born.

 

Sometimes it's hard to argument on the same side as Komandor.

A long time ago he saw the slippery slope we're all debating the mage & templar & normal people conflict on and decided to skip the whole balancing act and jumped straight into the mage extermination pit at the bottom.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Sometimes it's hard to argument on the same side as Kommandor.
A long time ago he saw the slippery slope we're all debating the mage & templar & normal people conflict on and decided to skip the whole balancing act and jumped straight into the mage extermination pit at the bottom.

im sure he'd love living under the qun

[TheKomandorShepard]

Yeah living rocks, who have mages live on your delusion if you want.

Of course, biological weapons are laughable until someone drops one close, then I don't think you'll have a smile on the face, and your argument of mages being like nukes, it's far away from truth, the most powerful mages we met still have struggles to solve their problems, if they would had the power you claim they have they wouldn't have such problems. so your excuse for mocks it's unjustified, beside I've seen you mock your counterparts on every debate where you decide to speak.

Legends are legends, no matter if they are told on a village or if written on a "sacred" book, they always tell a truth surrounded by mysticism, which mean not every part is true, as I pointed out before with Maferath, here we have the testimonial notes of people who lived on the times of the magisters, and they claim the country was on crisis and the priests desperate, also testimony from the beginning of the First Blight claimed that it had been many years (if not centuries) since no one saw Dumat, and while on real life there are voice modulators able to fool someone, on Thedas there are demons that often are pretty good voice actors and love to fool people.

Red Lyrium Dragon is a mimic of a sick Old God, something that Corypheus could see during the First Blight but not before, also, it was on display to mock Old Gods, something he likely wouldn't do if he was certain of their existence, the only one who has seen an uncorrupted Old God is the Architect and that was after his rule as priest, he didn't delayed much on screw it and he didn't said anything of the Dragon speaking to him.

Killing all mages wouldn't do things much better, as Solas pointed out, the rifts on the Veil surge naturally with time and bloodshed, even if no mage was screwing around, mage Trevelyan and Vivienne don't complain much about their circles and didn't say their mages were abusing of soft Templars. Spirits, Mages and Demons aren't the only magic creatures either, Dragons and Titans also have magic on their blood, enough to grant to the normal people the power of a killing machine. And here comes the part when I tell you that you are an intolerant person, you are up for mage extermination because they are dangerous, but if another society determines humans are dangerous and begin to kill every human, you wouldn't understand their reasons nor justify their actions, would you? For certain I tell the answer is no.

 

 

Yeah living rocks unless you want to tell me they are living trees ,and eee i didn't say they have mages or whatever you were trying to say... 

 

They are laughable ,at least one we are talking about ,pretty much i pointed how well it went for an individuals or groups of people that tried that, threat was tiny.If i had to be afraid of biological weapon it would be those goverments would use.In first place that Bob can explode destroying enitre world in process won't solve bob problems, mages don't have to be powerful to destroy enitre city with pointing finger on it what is enough that disaster caused by mage can destroy it.           

 

Once again and what you keep ignoring is that fact that "legend" (i point that fourth time) was confirmed to be true (or rather at least important here part of it) by person that legend is about so it is just more than a fairy tale... Also pretty much old gods stoped "guide" tevinter after black city incident and they were able to recognize dumat so pretty much they knew how old god look like.Either way pretty much there is nothing that would point that it was just whim of demon as far it goes everything points at dumat both by corypheus and chantry.

 

<Facepalm> oh rly, i thought for real it was an old god... i have pretty much explained you what is an archdemon so yes corypheus knew that old gods existed avoiding fact they were in contact with tevinter.Also eee no? Fact that something exist to my knowledge doesn't prevent from "mocking it" as you said .especially that corypheus didn't consider old gods well gods anymore. 

 

Yes it would? Even if veil weakens with time pretty much mage speed up it with magic and their disaster dramatically , so in worst case scenario killing mages will slow that process and no more mages blowing up society.Where i said that mages were abusing soft templars ,what i said soft templars shouldn't be templars and reason that shows why is Thrask that pretty much worked with and freed an abomnation and blood mages.

 

Magical creatures like dargons are irrelevant because pretty much they pose only physical threat ,large one sure but without mage you won't do much with dragon.As for titan i can't tell because we know almost nothing for certain it can grant some sort magic to dwarves that apperently isn't magic that mages wield but as far it goes i can't say how much of danger it is.

 

I would understand their reasons unless they were dumb in my opinion ,if humans posed threat for another race i can see reason why they would go after humans but doesn't mean i would care and let them kill me. 

 

 

Mage extermination is shortsighted, since new mages will always be born.

Oh, right forgot that those mages that will born after will be immortal.

 

 

And mages are the only advantage thedas has against the qunari

Yeah except it isn't truth in first place greatest advantage thedas had over qunari were numbers ,also pretty much im sure Thedas would be in far more better shape to fight qunari if mages didn't spam it with disasters , i mean those blights and mad mages demolishing everything on their path don't make thedas favor. 

 

   

[Andromelek]

Yeah living rocks unless you want to tell me they are living trees ,and eee i didn't say they have mages or whatever you were trying to say...

They are laughable ,at least one we are talking about ,pretty much i pointed how well it went for an individuals or groups of people that tried that, threat was tiny.If i had to be afraid of biological weapon it would be those goverments would use.In first place that Bob can explode destroying enitre world in process won't solve bob problems, mages don't have to be powerful to destroy enitre city with pointing finger on it what is enough that disaster caused by mage can destroy it.

Once again and what you keep ignoring is that fact that "legend" (i point that fourth time) was confirmed to be true (or rather at least important here part of it) by person that legend is about so it is just more than a fairy tale... Also pretty much old gods stoped "guide" tevinter after black city incident and they were able to recognize dumat so pretty much they knew how old god look like.Either way pretty much there is nothing that would point that it was just whim of demon as far it goes everything points at dumat both by corypheus and chantry.

<Facepalm> oh rly, i thought for real it was an old god... i have pretty much explained you what is an archdemon so yes corypheus knew that old gods existed avoiding fact they were in contact with tevinter.Also eee no? Fact that something exist to my knowledge doesn't prevent from "mocking it" as you said .especially that corypheus didn't consider old gods well gods anymore.

Yes it would? Even if veil weakens with time pretty much mage speed up it with magic and their disaster dramatically , so in worst case scenario killing mages will slow that process and no more mages blowing up society.Where i said that mages were abusing soft templars ,what i said soft templars shouldn't be templars and reason that shows why is Thrask that pretty much worked with and freed an abomnation and blood mages.

Magical creatures like dargons are irrelevant because pretty much they pose only physical threat ,large one sure but without mage you won't do much with dragon.As for titan i can't tell because we know almost nothing for certain it can grant some sort magic to dwarves that apperently isn't magic that mages wield but as far it goes i can't say how much of danger it is.

I would understand their reasons unless they were dumb in my opinion ,if humans posed threat for another race i can see reason why they would go after humans but doesn't mean i would care and let them kill me.



Oh, right forgot that those mages that will born after will be immortal.



Yeah except it isn't truth in first place greatest advantage thedas had over qunari were numbers ,also pretty much im sure Thedas would be in far more better shape to fight qunari if mages didn't spam it with disasters , i mean those blights and mad mages demolishing everything on their path don't make thedas favor.

Both legends and codex entry point out they were former dwarves and yes, you did say that a mage could be the guilty of the hunger demon that claimed he found them alone and fed of their hunger.

Architect's problems were an insane Broodmother and a bunch of rebel darkspawn, Corypheus' problem was an intruder with a magical mark, pretty sure those were the kind of problems that can be solved with the brute force.

A legend was confirmed true by a mad man with some amnesia, and both legend and man claimed it was a voice not that it was Dumat in front of him, entries on the Veil and on Razikale's temple claim that the Old Gods abandoned Tevinter before the Blight, and Dumat was the first vanished, so Corypheus never met him until he corrupted him, he followed a voice and one has to met first the owner of a voice to be sure the voice is his. And you ignored what I said about demons.

The size of Dragons and Titans doesn't prevent people taking their blood, and that's what gives power to Reavers, Templars and the Sha-Brytol.

If I remember correctly, on our latest discussion you said that villains such like the Primordial are unjustified because they harm "innocents" but those "innocents" still being of the race which remains being posed threat to his race, killing all mages would be exactly the same, mages have morons like Titus, innocent people and even heroes like Ameridan, I don't think you have anything to say against him.

Not entirely truth, Thedas has more numbers against the Qunari as a race, if we talk of the Qunari as a religious faction, that advantage is not so great, in fact, Tevinter is the main reason of why the Qunari have not advanced, their war it's a balanced struggle even when Tevinter has more numbers and unscrupulous blood mages, killing every mage in Thedas likely means kill all Tevinters too, and that would let the Qunari with the upper hand since they have black powder, better training, spies and probably they would keep their Saarebas, and the Saarebas already can overpower southern Circle's mages, they do not travel alone, they often have big escorts controlling them, so templars wouldn't be guarantee of success, and the Qunari dreadnoughts can beat the other ships with ease, the only thing that endangered the dreadnought on Bull's side mission were mages, not to mention that the numbers that you claim Thedas has against Qunari are mostly commoners and citizens that run out of fear at the first chance, while even non-soldiers among the Qunari know how to fight, as Rassan already proved.

[Lady Artifice]

Is it accurate that numbers are a big advantage for Thedas? I got the impression that the Qunari had some significant hordes at their disposal. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Both legends and codex entry point out they were former dwarves and yes, you did say that a mage could be the guilty of the hunger demon that claimed he found them alone and fed of their hunger.

Architect's problems were an insane Broodmother and a bunch of rebel darkspawn, Corypheus' problem was an intruder with a magical mark, pretty sure those were the kind of problems that can be solved with the brute force.

A legend was confirmed true by a mad man with some amnesia, and both legend and man claimed it was a voice not that it was Dumat in front of him, entries on the Veil and on Razikale's temple claim that the Old Gods abandoned Tevinter before the Blight, and Dumat was the first vanished, so Corypheus never met him until he corrupted him, he followed a voice and one has to met first the owner of a voice to be sure the voice is his. And you ignored what I said about demons.

The size of Dragons and Titans doesn't prevent people taking their blood, and that's what gives power to Reavers, Templars and the Sha-Brytol.

If I remember correctly, on our latest discussion you said that villains such like the Primordial are unjustified because they harm "innocents" but those "innocents" still being of the race which remains being posed threat to his race, killing all mages would be exactly the same, mages have morons like Titus, innocent people and even heroes like Ameridan, I don't think you have anything to say against him.

Not entirely truth, Thedas has more numbers against the Qunari as a race, if we talk of the Qunari as a religious faction, that advantage is not so great, in fact, Tevinter is the main reason of why the Qunari have not advanced, their war it's a balanced struggle even when Tevinter has more numbers and unscrupulous blood mages, killing every mage in Thedas likely means kill all Tevinters too, and that would let the Qunari with the upper hand since they have black powder, better training, spies and probably they would keep their Saarebas, and the Saarebas already can overpower southern Circle's mages, they do not travel alone, they often have big escorts controlling them, so templars wouldn't be guarantee of success, and the Qunari dreadnoughts can beat the other ships with ease, the only thing that endangered the dreadnought on Bull's side mission were mages.

 

What even if true doesn't change fact it is living rock.

Also statement "who have mages" isn't pretty much what you said here , what i have said it that simple mage could have summon demon or damage veil , and as i said none of that matter because once again rock wraiths aren't normal humans.

 

And? That they can be solved with brute force doesn't mean they aren't threat to the world/society blights can be solved same way .

 

Corypheus remembers those events so well for certain no amnesia here as you would like to claim ,also you talk about this any prove that it was written before blight because i don't see date being provided here... and what is by tevinter precived by as voice of dumat and same way of communication old gods communicate... I commented on it as i said there is nothing that would point it was demon as far as i said both chantry and corypheus confirmed that it was dumat so until i will see something that would point toward "it was a demon" im willing to go with "it was dumat" as both cory and chantry claim.

 

No, it doesn't you are right but doesn't change fact that doesn't make reaver or templar a mage or at least not in a sense mages were are speaking about , pretty much reaver use dragon blood to enhance their physical feats while templars use lyrium to gain anti-magical abilities ,none of them pose threat that mages do.Of course reavers are dangerous on much lower level than mages but still should be treated as dangerous individuals and dealt with.As for Sha-Brytol as i said i can't speak of titan because we have know too little, but for sure those guys are dangerous (and are treated as so because you kill them) but as far it goes pretty much they are like reavers and as far they seem pose threat on individual level rather than on larger scale.   

 

If i recall i didn't said he was unjustified (in first place i know nothing about that character outside things you have told me once) from what i remeber what i said that your comparison of alistair with that guy based on what you said me is ridiculous because alistair killed simply 1 person that was far away from being innocent and you acted as alistair killed millions of "innocent" people.

 

It was major advantage thedas had over qunari from what i recall it was somewhere stated but i don't remember source.Also tevinter was crushed by qunari and taken over by them for over 40 years so mages pretty so much for mages help and that was pretty much when they were in war with rest of thedas.In first place thedas as i said have to deal with crap that mages are causing like blights or another disasters and it would be in much better shape without mages ,then we have fact pretty much mages prevent technological progress among humans during conversation that hawke and dwarf it is shown.

 

Also killing mages in tevinter isn't possibility yet ,as far closing borders and putting mage hunters should provide defence against tevinter mages running around outside tevinter.Then humans can foucus on progress and start moving forward like dwarves and qunari.    

 

 

Is it accurate that numbers are a big advantage for Thedas? I got the impression that the Qunari had some significant hordes at their disposal. 

Well yep thedas overall had much more forces than qunari but well qunari had cannons and thedas won because they united.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Is it accurate that numbers are a big advantage for Thedas? I got the impression that the Qunari had some significant hordes at their disposal. 

 

Yes, the codex says that one of the reasons they were pushed back in the Qunari Wars was attrition. Qunari warriors appear to be stronger than the average human equivalent, but human ones are much more numerous. 

[X Equestris]

Placing Mages back under the "protection" of the order of fanatics that were just waging war on mages is not a moderate position.

Cass roles back the Templar's power and gives the mages significant authority over their Circles. Is that not what most of them wanted in the first place?

[Wulfram]

Cass roles back the Templar's power and gives the mages significant authority over their Circles. Is that not what most of them wanted in the first place?

It might have been a fine thing to do to avoid the war, though I'm sceptical as to it's long term effectiveness, but it seems ridiculous to expect it to work after it.

You can't have a police force that was fighting a war against the people they're now policing. The relationship is broken and you're not going to fix it by tweaking a few laws. When it's gone that far it's not going to be fixed,

I mean, if you think having some sort of templar like organisation is a good idea, then you could found a new one. But at least give it a new name, new banners, new personnel etc to give it a chance of a fresh start.

[X Equestris]

It might have been a fine thing to do to avoid the war, though I'm sceptical as to it's long term effectiveness, but it seems ridiculous to expect it to work after it.You can't have a police force that was fighting a war against the people they're now policing. The relationship is broken and you're not going to fix it by tweaking a few laws. When it's gone that far it's not going to be fixed,I mean, if you think having some sort of templar like organisation is a good idea, then you could found a new one. But at least give it a new name, new banners, new personnel etc to give it a chance of a fresh start.

One faction is almost entirely eliminated no matter what. And a lot of the radicals on both sides probably got eliminated no matter what you chose. The reconstituted Circle and Templars don't have a huge connection to the ones of the past. There's some personnel overlap, but the first generation of both organizations will be people who also fought alongside the Inquisition. That sort of bond might help ease some of the tensions.

[Arshei]

Blood mages and slavery are hardly the sign of a developed and moral civilization. In fact, I would argue that the current state of Tevinter cultural morals is a mark against freedom for mages. 

 

Lawful evil is no less evil than chaotic evil. 

 

The blood magic is "evil" just because the chantry says that.
Use demons isn't more dangerous than a fireblast, and that of "a blood mage can control the mind of a king", the manipulative people don't need magic, like Anora.

[BobZilla84]

Well I look at the Circle situation like this you had Anders who was a Fanatic & Fiona who was an idiot but on the flip side there are Circle loyalists like Finn,Conner & Minave that were completely happy & Content living in the Circle my point is that for every Anders & Fiona there's gonna be alot of people like Finn,Conner & Minave.

[MisterJB]

It might have been a fine thing to do to avoid the war, though I'm sceptical as to it's long term effectiveness, but it seems ridiculous to expect it to work after it.

You can't have a police force that was fighting a war against the people they're now policing. The relationship is broken and you're not going to fix it by tweaking a few laws. When it's gone that far it's not going to be fixed,

I mean, if you think having some sort of templar like organisation is a good idea, then you could found a new one. But at least give it a new name, new banners, new personnel etc to give it a chance of a fresh start.

Putting down rebellions and then havê the victors resume their authority over those who rebelled is standard.

[RobRam10]

"Leliana is a well-meaning fool. She will do irreparable harm to countless people in the name of "freedom". She proposes to abolish the Circles with nothing but a solemn promise from mages not to murder children. When an angry mage lashes out inside a tower, villages aren't destroyed! The Circle protects us all! Mages will die and take ordinary men with them in a war that cannot be won."

- Vivienne

 

Vivienne, if free mages are so terrible, then why hasn't Tevinter fallen into total chaos because of the supposedly inevitable creation of all those abominations? The simple fact that Tevinter still stands completely contradicts the southern Chantry's propaganda that free mages = abominations, and Vivienne is a fool for not recognizing it. Or maybe she does, but she wants to restore the system that gave her political power. I think it's more likely, though, that she really does buy into the propaganda. So why do people fail to realize that Tevinter's continued existence suggests that abominations aren't so inevitable? Even the qunari freak out about mages. What does Tevinter have that all other societies lack? A better understanding of and control over magic? Does the fear and suppression of magic ultimately lead to more cases of abominations? 

Because Tevinter is simply the greatest nation of all Thedas. Ultimate Perfection, the Jewel of the North.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Because Tevinter is simply the greatest nation of all Thedas. Ultimate Perfection, the Jewel of the North.

You forgot Rivain.

[Jaison1986]

Putting down rebellions and then havê the victors resume their authority over those who rebelled is standard.

 

Maybe standard, but not aways the only outcome. Especially considering the templars don't aways win, there are scenarios were their order is destroyed forever and mages become independant from the Chantry, be it alone or with the Inquisition.

[Drasanil]

You forgot Rivain.

 

Rivain is full of cow sympathizers and hippies, its hard to think of a place more in need of being killed with fire. Baring Par Vollen proper of course. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Rivain is full of cow sympathizers and hippies, its hard to think of a place more in need of being killed with fire. Baring Par Vollen proper of course.

Comments like these are why I don't take pro Templars seriously

[Jedi Master of Orion]

For what it's worth, I've heard crazy (and often racist) pro-genocide comments directed towards the Qunari from both pro and anti-Templar people during my time on BSN.