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[Captmorgan72]

When Adaar first meets him Bull calls Adaar a Qunari. Later Adaar refers to himself as Qunari and Bull annoyingly corrects him telling him that he is not a Qunari but Tal-vashoth. Adaar is not a Tal-vashoth, he/she never knew the Qun. If Bull is any indication of the competency of the Ben-Hassrath, Thedas can sleep easy. 

[Mykel54]

Qunari is a catch-all term used (by ignorant outsiders, mostly) for all the members of the horned race, even thought the proper use is only for those who remain faithful to the Qun. Iron Bull says later on about the usage of the term "Depends on who you ask". It would be similar to someone being Jew but not being religious at all.

 

Bull also isn´t consistent on the use of Tal-Vashoth, he calls your PC that instead of just Vashoth. I think this may be because the recorded lines and codex were made at different points in time, so when it was recorded it was the same thing.

 

I think the difference between Tal-Vashoth and Vashoth is quite pointless anyway, it simply means Qunari who don´t follow the Qun, i don´t think it is that important to mark down whenever they rebelled or were born outside it. You could have one human from rivain being andrastian from birth, but then ditching it, or just being born outside. That human would be called a heathen, no need for several names.

 

So if you ask me, i stick to how Iron Bull uses it in dialogues: Qunari for those who follow the Qun, Tal-Vashoth for those who don´t.

[Captmorgan72]

 

 

I think the difference between Tal-Vashoth and Vashoth is quite pointless anyway, it simply means Qunari who don´t follow the Qun, i don´t think it is that important to mark down whenever they rebelled or were born outside it. You could have one human from rivain being andrastian from birth, but then ditching it, or just being born outside. That human would be called a heathen, no need for several names.

 

 

I love that comparison. That makes good sense. I still find it odd that Bull calls Adaar Qunari when they first meet and then later tells Adaar he is not Qunari. Make up your mind Bull. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Basically it's a sign that even the Qunari themselves find Bioware's awkward and clunky Qunari naming policy awkward. And clunky. 

[Riftwalker]

When Adaar first meets him Bull calls Adaar a Qunari. Later Adaar refers to himself as Qunari and Bull annoyingly corrects him telling him that he is not a Qunari but Tal-vashoth. Adaar is not a Tal-vashoth, he/she never knew the Qun. If Bull is any indication of the competency of the Ben-Hassrath, Thedas can sleep easy. 

 

Well when they first meet, he's trying to get himself and his crew hired, so it's possible there's a degree of "I don't know you" respect being offered there. Later on, he's already hired so he's comfortable enough discussing jabs. I get the distinct impression that Bull is really uncomfortable talking about the subject, even more so when he becomes one (if you keep the Chargers which let's face it, I always do).

 

 

Bull also isn´t consistent on the use of Tal-Vashoth, he calls your PC that instead of just Vashoth. I think this may be because the recorded lines and codex were made at different points in time, so when it was recorded it was the same thing.

 

There's a point when you first meet where you can tell Bull to back off - after he's admitted he's Ben-Hassrath - and the Adaar inquisitor says "You expect me, a Tal-Vashoth" - I mean they refer to themselves that way, so it might just be Bull following their lead, as far as that goes. But yeah, the delineation between Vashoth and Tal-Vashoth is really odd. Vashoth seems to be referring to kossith who were never introduced to the Qun, born outside it. Maybe even just never really knew of the Qun's existence at all? Tal-Vashoth seems to be reserved for kossith who were either one members of the Qun, or knew of the Qun's existence and turned away from it or refused it.