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[Former_Fiend]

That patch wasn't supposed to be permanet. That's my point. As if the concept is messy, I don't think so, It was just a preliminary concept. I have worked on creative projects before, You don't get to create the whole concept in full detail in one punch, You do it in a step-by-step basis. That's why it might appear to the viewer, Or in this case, The gamer, As a messy concept at first. It had so much potential for them to create their own theories about Dark Energy and Dark Matter and fabric of space-time continuum. But they just went with the easy way and created their "Poetic artistic" ending.

That being said, I'm curious to see how they'd handle the new Mass Effect.

 

Well, at the end of the day, intentions are secondary to accomplishments, and what we're left with in the finished product is not as hard of a sci-fi as maybe they intended to release.

[xelander]

I'm not touching the Lazarus Project with a 10-foot pole.

 

However, regarding the dark energy ending, you gotta remember that it was the half-baked idea of the original writer of the series - Drew Karpyshyn - who left BW midway through ME 2 production, if memory serves. Given time and other writers' feedback, it could have evolved into something much better. Even in its' raw form I find it better than the whole AI vs. Organics out-of-nowhere theme and the copy-pasted Deus Ex: HR endings.

[dreamgazer]

I'm not touching the Lazarus Project with a 10-foot pole.

 

However, regarding the dark energy ending, you gotta remember that it was the half-baked idea of the original writer of the series - Drew Karpyshyn - who left BW midway through ME 2 production, if memory serves. Given time and other writers' feedback, it could have evolved into something much better. Even in its' raw form I find it better than the whole AI vs. Organics out-of-nowhere theme and the copy-pasted Deus Ex: HR endings.

 

The dark energy idea was deeply, fundamentally broken. No amount of "feedback" could change that, aside from scraping it and going with something different.

 

Which, thankfully, they did. 

[AtreiyaN7]

It's war, so no, I didn't feel it was too militaristic/real - especially when military forces are involved and because Shepard is a soldier. Even after hundreds of years pass, I get the feeling that military jargon will still be around.

[ZombiePopper]

Eh,
Not really.
I feel given theme the military chatter fits perfectly and drives home the point further of "war=bad".
Although some may argue that its a known fact and unnecessary, to which, I'd agree.
Keep in mind that 10 codes and the like are a quick way to provide info, in situations that there is not a lot time.

[Xaijin]

The dark energy idea was deeply, fundamentally broken. No amount of "feedback" could change that, aside from scraping it and going with something different.

Which, thankfully, they did. 

Which was far more cliche and trite

[Iakus]

As i have stated, They didn't resurrect his brain, That's completely implausible. The brain was still largely intact, ME3's Priority: Cerberus HQ gives some hints about Lazarus.

 

"The helmet kept the brain intact" was hardly an explanation.  It certainly doesn't explain why said brain wasn't swiss cheesed by oxygen deprivation.

 

"It's always a matter of resources" is about as much exposition as we got.

 

The dark energy concept was a bigger mess than the shipped ending. Good riddance.

Meh, it never got beyond the concept stage, so I'll stay neutral on how it could have gone.

 

But frankly, I don't think any explanation could have done them justice.  It's like trying to explain the origins of the zombie apocalypse in "The Walking Dead"  

[Former_Fiend]

I'm of the opinion that the Reapers' origin should have never been explained. Once you explain a thing, it loses it's mystery and becomes much less interesting. Something like the Reapers goes from being a horrifying, eldritch abomination from the darkness of space to something as mundane as the result of a poorly programmed operating system.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

He was brain-dead. I didn't say he wasn't, The structure of the brain itself was intact and perserved thanks to the helmet. That's what they said.

 

Brain dead means the body is alive but the brain was dead. As in, no memory, no functions, even simple ones, coming from the brain.

 

I think you mean Shepard was the opposite.

 

I think he/she was completely dead in all ways. Space magic brought them back, not the helmet.

 

 

Re the OP,

 

I took them to mean 'real as in this **** just got real. In other words, time to take this seriously, stop messing around, and get done what needs to get done.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

What i meant to say that the body was dead and the brain was dead as well but its structure was still intact. That his brain wasn't disintegrated and that's what the helmet did. The body however, Was as Jacob said, Nothing but meat and tubes.

 

Fair enough, but in real life the brain would be swiss cheese as someone so elegantly stated above. It being intact inside the helmet wouldn't help matters anyway. Thus space magic

[Former_Fiend]

Well, To me, At they very least, As a thriller nut, No mystery is complete without its resolution. Imagine all these greatly and efficently plotted robberies if the robbers wouldn't get caught or the plot of how they did it wasn't revealed. To me, A great msytery gets even greater if the resolution is well-done. Leviathan DLC is a perfect example of how i imagined they'd end the trilogy. The same pace and narrative style.

 

This isn't a thriller, though. And I don't believe there was a resolution they could have come up with equal to the mystery they had crafted. Nothing they could have come up with would be equal to what the fandom had imagined; anything would have been a let down.

 

They could have come up with a more logical let down than the one they gave us, granted.

[Dantriges]

People come back with severe brain damage if reanimation takes too long. That´s for people who didn´t die exposed to vacuum, made orbital reentry and the corpse lieing around in the middle of nowhere for weeks or even months. Yeah, probably 22nd century medicine will be able to pull of amazing stunts but Shepard didn´t fall into a hospital, where they, dunno, could cut off his body, throw his head into a growthtank filled with nutrients and regrow his body from scratch or so.

[Iakus]

He was brain-dead. I didn't say he wasn't, The structure of the brain itself was intact and perserved thanks to the helmet. That's what they said.

 

And a brain without oxygen or nutrients for even a few minutes can suffer permanent damage.  Doesn't matter how "intact" it is.

[Iakus]

 

Not sure since I haven't studied organ preservation thoroughly, Active or inactive organs.

I learned this stuff from Boy Scouts and CPR courses many years ago.

[Remix-General Aetius]

No didn't have any issue with them using military language. I didn't have any issue withe the degree of reality(except for when they abandoned the notion completely and parachuted in glowboy to act as ending santa.)

Though I did have an issue with them assuming everyone should/would be over the moon to be back with the alliance after being freed from that choke chain in ME2.

 

the Alliance absolutely sucks. it is insulting to our intelligence the way they made Shepard into an Alliance apologist again after they ridiculed him post-humously.

[Mdizzletr0n]

In response to some older comments (and slightly OT), where did BW say that the protagonist would be N7? If I recall, they said that the agent wasn't the character that we'd be playing.

Side note (and even more OT): I also hope that the protagonist in ME:A is as far away from being part of the military as possible.

[Remix-General Aetius]

In response to some older comments (and slightly OT), where did BW say that the protagonist would be N7?

 

probably because the apparent protagonist had N7 plastered all over him.