I love that the people who say Vanguard/Charge is useless.
They always say they charged some enemies and died, therefore its useless.
Or its harder on Insanity than a Soldier or Infiltrator.
Guess most people don't like a challenge.
lol
So how is everybody enjoying their Vanguard class?
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#102
Posté 05 février 2010 - 04:30
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the higher difficulty levels, particularly insane, really kick the biotics in the quads. and about the shooting em hundreds of times, they've put that in, and actually made it fit storywise/reality because its all the shields and armour taking the punishment, when you get em down to just plain health they are screwed.
the reason biotic based abilties suck in insanity, compared to weapon abilites, you cant use em on shielded foes, and everyone has shields. if they don't have shields they have armour, and if they don't have that they have barrier. insanity is much harder for biotics because they have to rely on squadmembers to take down shields, and squadmembers, on insanity, constantly try really hard to die. soldier and infiltrator can get through everything themselves, and sentinel has warp and overload, aswel as tech armour(which btw, makes it feel like veteran setting).
its been said before, but its like giving the soldier the assault rifle and sniper, and then telling him he cant use it on shielded foes, he's gotta use the pistols.
that said, because the challenge is that much harder it is that much more satisfying doing it, and charge is still very viable once upgrades are obtained. adept though, thats a pure warp'fest.
the reason biotic based abilties suck in insanity, compared to weapon abilites, you cant use em on shielded foes, and everyone has shields. if they don't have shields they have armour, and if they don't have that they have barrier. insanity is much harder for biotics because they have to rely on squadmembers to take down shields, and squadmembers, on insanity, constantly try really hard to die. soldier and infiltrator can get through everything themselves, and sentinel has warp and overload, aswel as tech armour(which btw, makes it feel like veteran setting).
its been said before, but its like giving the soldier the assault rifle and sniper, and then telling him he cant use it on shielded foes, he's gotta use the pistols.
that said, because the challenge is that much harder it is that much more satisfying doing it, and charge is still very viable once upgrades are obtained. adept though, thats a pure warp'fest.
#103
Posté 05 février 2010 - 04:53
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I'm loving my Vanguard. I still quite haven't gotten the hang of charge but shock-wave is awesome. On my next Vanguard playthrough I think I'll finally be able to fully appreciate the class
#104
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:00
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Yeah, NG+ with a vanguard is hard on insanity and you have to choose cover as your love interest, but it's incredibly fun and satisfying when you are done clearing out the room. I usually only die when I get impatient and try to rush things. Also as someone said before, you gotta love charging into a krogan and send him flying as he tries to charge you.
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Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:03
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It was fun on Normal mode, although I died more then I'd like. Shotguns are just garbage. Attempting to do a harder difficulty with it would be hell.
#106
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:03
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I played a vanguard through insanity and thought it was a bit more tedious than solider/infiltrator. Charge though is very handy for racing through a few areas very quickly.
#107
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:09
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build your armor to boost shields and health...use reave to heal yourself on organics....it's DEVASTATING against armors and shields....charge + Krogan shotgun = 1 shot kills most of the time
of course if you ALWAYS rush in you are going to die a lot
of course if you ALWAYS rush in you are going to die a lot
#108
Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:18
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Kurupt87 wrote...
its been said before, but its like giving the soldier the assault rifle and sniper, and then telling him he cant use it on shielded foes, he's gotta use the pistols.
That's actually quite an apt analogy.
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Posté 05 février 2010 - 05:47
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So bonus skills for vanguard
Warp Ammo-doubles with inferno ammo for usefullness meehh
Reave-good against single enemies I hear AoE is godly
Barrier/Fortification-helps up the vanguards dieing issue
I am going to start up a new playthough and am kinda split on what to take
I am thinking of only getting shockwave to level 3 this time(it was kinda worthless but I like it), leaving pull at level one, getting team inferno ammo, gettting heavy charge, and then maxing my bonus skill.
So my question what is better for some one who likes to use a good mix of AR/Shotgun Reave or Barrier? Also what is the better class spec?
Gotta say I really do like the Vanguard very fun class when backed up by a sniper.
Warp Ammo-doubles with inferno ammo for usefullness meehh
Reave-good against single enemies I hear AoE is godly
Barrier/Fortification-helps up the vanguards dieing issue
I am going to start up a new playthough and am kinda split on what to take
I am thinking of only getting shockwave to level 3 this time(it was kinda worthless but I like it), leaving pull at level one, getting team inferno ammo, gettting heavy charge, and then maxing my bonus skill.
So my question what is better for some one who likes to use a good mix of AR/Shotgun Reave or Barrier? Also what is the better class spec?
Gotta say I really do like the Vanguard very fun class when backed up by a sniper.
Modifié par cyvaris, 05 février 2010 - 05:53 .
#110
Posté 06 février 2010 - 02:56
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cyvaris wrote...
So bonus skills for vanguard
Warp Ammo-doubles with inferno ammo for usefullness meehh
Reave-good against single enemies I hear AoE is godly
Barrier/Fortification-helps up the vanguards dieing issue
I am going to start up a new playthough and am kinda split on what to take
I am thinking of only getting shockwave to level 3 this time(it was kinda worthless but I like it), leaving pull at level one, getting team inferno ammo, gettting heavy charge, and then maxing my bonus skill.
So my question what is better for some one who likes to use a good mix of AR/Shotgun Reave or Barrier? Also what is the better class spec?
Gotta say I really do like the Vanguard very fun class when backed up by a sniper.
I'm currently running a Vanguard/Reave/Assault Rifle and he's basically a mix of Jack Bauer and Darth Vader. He is godly and deals out unholy amounts of damage at any range. I'm loving it. There's so many different forms of pwnage that he can dish out, the firefights never get old.
I'd heartily recommend the Battle Rifle. I think I would have had problems on the Collector Ship if i didn't have it to hand.
#111
Posté 08 février 2010 - 03:14
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Vanguard is by far the best class. I am finishing hardcore difficulty as vanguard after playing hardcore as a sentinel. The sentinel (as all other classes I presume) are just plain boring. Why? Because you always have to stay in cover. Thats it. Cover, shoot, cover shoot. Nothing more.
As Vanguard it is actually fun to plan out who to charge first to take out the most enemies in the least amount of time without getting overwhelmed. Plus you can incorporate cover/shoot as well.
At about level 10, vanguard is actually EASY to play on hardcore difficulty. And it probably is easy even before that.
I tried REAVE as a skill and it just doesn't do it for me. ENERGY DRAIN is a FAR BETTER SKILL. It is true that you might have some probs if no enemies have shields or no synthetics BUT...
ENERGY DRAIN has 6 sec cooldown. AT start of combat you aim for someone with shields, DRAIN. At beg of combat my guy has 400 shields. AFter draining I have 740 shields (+50% tech power research). Shields stay at 740 for while, even if you lose all your shields, they will regen to 740. After Charge, you will have almost 1000 shields. And it really compliments vanguard tactics. By casting energy drain it lets you charge and stay alive for even longer. I upgraded to heavy charge and heavy energy drain (or whatever it is called, NOT the area energy drain). Heavy drain gives more shields to you than area drain.
Reave only drains life to you if enemies no longer have any defenses. So it doesn't add anything to your defenses.
As Vanguard it is actually fun to plan out who to charge first to take out the most enemies in the least amount of time without getting overwhelmed. Plus you can incorporate cover/shoot as well.
At about level 10, vanguard is actually EASY to play on hardcore difficulty. And it probably is easy even before that.
I tried REAVE as a skill and it just doesn't do it for me. ENERGY DRAIN is a FAR BETTER SKILL. It is true that you might have some probs if no enemies have shields or no synthetics BUT...
ENERGY DRAIN has 6 sec cooldown. AT start of combat you aim for someone with shields, DRAIN. At beg of combat my guy has 400 shields. AFter draining I have 740 shields (+50% tech power research). Shields stay at 740 for while, even if you lose all your shields, they will regen to 740. After Charge, you will have almost 1000 shields. And it really compliments vanguard tactics. By casting energy drain it lets you charge and stay alive for even longer. I upgraded to heavy charge and heavy energy drain (or whatever it is called, NOT the area energy drain). Heavy drain gives more shields to you than area drain.
Reave only drains life to you if enemies no longer have any defenses. So it doesn't add anything to your defenses.
Modifié par cybtropic, 08 février 2010 - 03:22 .
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Posté 08 février 2010 - 03:16
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I was a Vanguard through and through in ME1 and on my first playthroughs of ME2 as well. I LOVE shockwave, but didn't like charge. I know you have to be very strategic with it, but I found that your shields get taken out too quickly to make charge useful unless you're only fighting a handful of opponents and then I could just knock those out with shockwave anyway. I hardly ever used charge. Vanguard needs some kind of extra shield augmentation to make "up close" style fighting more effective. I know you can get barrier eventually, but you don't have it at first and even it only offers so much protection. To be an effective vanguard I had to invest it multiple extra powers not available when you first create your character. Good idea on paper, but not very balanced IMO.
Then, I played as an Infiltrator with the sniper brigade of me with the anti-material rifle, Garrus, and Thane or Legion. I am now officially a convert to sniperism. I tried vanguard again but the sloppy fire of the SMG drove me nuts. Scales and sniper rifles. I am sold, forever sold. Sometimes I change over to the heavy pistol with cryo-rounds. Freeze stuff and let Garrus and Thane shatter them with headshots. It's great stuff.
Hearing Garrus holler "I love this rifle" helps too, of course.
Then, I played as an Infiltrator with the sniper brigade of me with the anti-material rifle, Garrus, and Thane or Legion. I am now officially a convert to sniperism. I tried vanguard again but the sloppy fire of the SMG drove me nuts. Scales and sniper rifles. I am sold, forever sold. Sometimes I change over to the heavy pistol with cryo-rounds. Freeze stuff and let Garrus and Thane shatter them with headshots. It's great stuff.
Hearing Garrus holler "I love this rifle" helps too, of course.
Modifié par Ragabul the Ontarah, 08 février 2010 - 03:32 .
#113
Posté 08 février 2010 - 03:21
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Vanguard is a fun, but difficult class to play. You need to know to only use charge when there's one or no enemies with sheilds or armors, and the shielded/armored enemy does not have a shotgun.
#114
Posté 08 février 2010 - 03:27
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Archereon wrote...
Vanguard is a fun, but difficult class to play. You need to know to only use charge when there's one or no enemies with sheilds or armors, and the shielded/armored enemy does not have a shotgun.
Yea at level 1 you cannot charge like that. The more you progress with research (shields, health, etc) the more you can charge in the middle of 3-4 guys without a problem. YOu see four guys, one with rocket lanucher. You charge the guy with the rocket take em easy. Turn take out another guy with 2 shots, Wound or almost kill third guy, before you might go around cover. In that time charge has cooldown. You kill fourth guy with charge. I don't use the heavy shotgun, fire rate is too low. With the second level shotgun you can fire fast enough that enemies keep getting hit back and can't react.
I played sentinel on hardcore and I don't remember sentinel getting stroger as I leveled. YOu still had to always stay in cover, etc., even with tech armor. Vanguard really does get stronger.
Modifié par cybtropic, 08 février 2010 - 03:30 .
#115
Posté 08 février 2010 - 07:20
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Vanguard from low levels is a grind. After you hit Horizon you should be in decent shape. My only gripe is the krogan shotgun; I probably should've taken the battle rifle. It'd be like soldier with more useful skills.
I do wish the Krogan shotgun was more insanity friendly; I've been forcing it on myself trying to make it work. It's a bummer the Krogan shotgun doesn't have more shots or more damage...even 3 would seem more balanced and forgiving. Right now it seems people really avoid it, not because of ''preference"/flavor. It doesn't really seem like you can reload while you melee, which makes the weapon pretty much impractical. Reloading for Vindicator...
I do wish the Krogan shotgun was more insanity friendly; I've been forcing it on myself trying to make it work. It's a bummer the Krogan shotgun doesn't have more shots or more damage...even 3 would seem more balanced and forgiving. Right now it seems people really avoid it, not because of ''preference"/flavor. It doesn't really seem like you can reload while you melee, which makes the weapon pretty much impractical. Reloading for Vindicator...
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#116
Posté 08 février 2010 - 07:21
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Kicking a lot of arse on hardcore.
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Posté 08 février 2010 - 07:38
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ThrokRock wrote...
Vanguard from low levels is a grind. After you hit Horizon you should be in decent shape. My only gripe is the krogan shotgun; I probably should've taken the battle rifle. It'd be like soldier with more useful skills.
I do wish the Krogan shotgun was more insanity friendly; I've been forcing it on myself trying to make it work. It's a bummer the Krogan shotgun doesn't have more shots or more damage...even 3 would seem more balanced and forgiving. Right it seems people really avoid it, not because of ''preference". It doesn't really seem like you can reload while you melee, which makes the weapon pretty much impractical.
Yea the krogan shotgun sucks, I tried it out for while and realized that the regular shotgun fires so fast, that most enemies can't even react to you shooting them as they are knocked back. Even with more shells in the mag, I don't think it would be good.
