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[Spartan Lad]

I felt that one of the problems with Inquisition's story was the lack of diversity across all play throughs. No matter how many times i play, i feel my inquisitor is basically the same person but just with a different model. Besides the minor "SPECIAL" conversations added, people seem to treat me roughly the same no matter if i am a Quanari, Human, Elf or dwarf. One of the joys of Origins was that they gave you hero different diversity and people reacted. 

 

Example: 
If i wanted to be an Elf, i could choose to be a Dalish elf and people would see me as a Dalish and react differently from a City elf and vice versa. Same as the Dwarf. 

 

I also wish to see my own party members and colleagues react differently instead of all acting the same towards me. In real life, people always have opinions and react to their beliefs. If i say Option A is the better choice because i believe in the Dalish ways, i want someone like maybe Cassandra or Cullen to step in and say "NO!, Option B is the better choice because of....". The characters just seem like they agree with almost everything i do and the times they don't agree, they don't even show it. In DA:O, if you pissed off Sten too much, the guy threatens to kill you and either you kill him or he leaves. 

 

Lastly, i want my choices to actually matter and actually run a risk of making a decision that could end the life of a character or one of my party members. In the Mass Effect games, there were always risks that played out to a character being killed off or a party member. ME1, Wrex ends up threatening to kill you. Either you have enough influence points to change his mind, or you and someone else shoots him. ME2, towards the end of the game, if you didn't have 100% your crew trusting you, someone WILL die. (In my playthrough Jack did). ME3, Tali killed herself because i made a bad decision. But the further make the games better, i want Game of Thrones story telling with risks of main characters getting killed off because of the plot or because of something i did and this includes party members. Imagine i used Blackwall as a party member, he ends up giving his life to save the remaining Grey Wardens or he ends up getting possessed and i have no choice but to kill him. Imagine i gave cinematic orders or opinions that resulted in the death or injury to one of my party members because i'm a bad leader for example. 

 

I want Dragon Age to have a wider cache of choices and story branching. Why should my Dalish elf be the leader of the Inquisition if she refuses to believe in human ways, doesn't believe in Adraste and maybe is a terrible leader. The should allow me to refuse the throne and maybe Lelliana or Cassandra would become the leader but i can still give her my opinions because i have the mark. Hell, i could be a Dwarf Tyrant and abuse my power and make others fear the inquistion. Maybe because of my actions Templars or Mages or whoever might send some assassins to Skyhold but kill them before anything and in order to prevent further issues, i need to change my style of leading.

 

This is what open world games should be like. Huge game diversity, choices that actually matter. Choices that could shorten the games story because i'm a bad person or further lengthen the story because i know what to do. 

 

 

Please, provide any feedback or opinions of your own. 

 

P.S. We need a Mabari pet running around skyhold. We need pets!!!  

[chrstnmonks]

I agree with all you said. However, in my opinion one of  the reasons DAI turned out the way it did was because of the different races. The story was originally written for human protag only and in alot of ways it shows. As it stands right now about the only protags that make any kind of sense is the human and elf. {also, I think with the whole Herald schtick a city elf would have made more sense}. Again this is all my opinion.

[Spartan Lad]

Yes. I do think the game was based around a human and having a City elf would have made more sense. It's just sad to know what no matter who you play, you are treated roughly the same. I mean, lets be real, Cassandra believes in the Maker, so does Mother Giselle. So shouldn't they be pissed off knowing that a Qunari, Dwarf or Elf have become the Herald? Thats sounds like blasphemy. Dwarves are usually racists, especially towards elves, so why doesn't that show?  

[QueenPurpleScrap]

One thing, imo Cassandra and Mother Ghiselle both believe the Chantry needs reform, though not quite as extreme as Leliana does. MG is old enough and humble enough to know she cannot expect to know the mind of the Maker and believes he does not always take the direct route. She concentrates on helping the people around her and hopes the Chantry can be gently redirected. Cassandra, remember, saw that Fade memory of the Divine calling out to your Inquisitor for help. It's even possible she believes more in Divine Justinia than in Andraste (I'm sure she would deny this) and so her attitude changes because of the memory she witnessed when you go to seal the breach.

 

I will agree that having people leave because of your actions (I don't mean you telling them to go) would be nice, or more direct responses. I haven't yet told somebody to go away, that will be a very hard thing for me to do. Well, if I had the option for Solas . . . In my current pt I plan on leaving Blackwall in jail. I can see one of my future inquisitors consider sending Cole or Dorian away, even though I like them both.

 

I've started listening more carefully to NPC convos around me. At least some of them are origin specific.

[chrstnmonks]

One thing, imo Cassandra and Mother Ghiselle both believe the Chantry needs reform, though not quite as extreme as Leliana does. MG is old enough and humble enough to know she cannot expect to know the mind of the Maker and believes he does not always take the direct route. She concentrates on helping the people around her and hopes the Chantry can be gently redirected. Cassandra, remember, saw that Fade memory of the Divine calling out to your Inquisitor for help. It's even possible she believes more in Divine Justinia than in Andraste (I'm sure she would deny this) and so her attitude changes because of the memory she witnessed when you go to seal the breach.

 

I will agree that having people leave because of your actions (I don't mean you telling them to go) would be nice, or more direct responses. I haven't yet told somebody to go away, that will be a very hard thing for me to do. Well, if I had the option for Solas . . . In my current pt I plan on leaving Blackwall in jail. I can see one of my future inquisitors consider sending Cole or Dorian away, even though I like them both.

 

I've started listening more carefully to NPC convos around me. At least some of them are origin specific.

I have sent Bull and Dorian and Vivienne away. It would have been nice if you could have put MG has a canidate for Divine or yourself. Never got Blackwall mission though. Also having companions leave due to your actions would have been nice.

[Winged Silver]

I definitely agree with the above.

 

I've yet to find it in me to complete a playthrough with a Cadash or an Adaar, sticking mainly with the Lavellans and Trevalyans. I feel like in a DA game, there shouldn't be any story - or lack of - reasons for not desiring to play certain races. The racial dialog options were a good first step, but I really hope to see them expand on that line of thought in the future. 

 

Another missed opportunity with racial tension was Halamshiral. Sure, if you're an elf, qunari, or mage, you instantly lose some of the crowd points, but we never really see that. I recently finished reading The Masked Empire, and holy cow, Orlesians are total jerks to elves. How come no one is coming up to my elf and calling her rabbit? Or knife ear? There's little touches missing from some of the major story moments, and I think fleshing them out would have really helped the atmosphere (also, considering how much of Inquisition seems to be tied in with the books, it's puzzling that they'd ignore world-building aspects of the books. Like are they world canon, or aren't they?)

 

And yes, yes, yes to the Mabari. There just isn't a good reason to not have an adorable puppy running around.

[chrstnmonks]

Yes. I do think the game was based around a human and having a City elf would have made more sense. It's just sad to know what no matter who you play, you are treated roughly the same. I mean, lets be real, Cassandra believes in the Maker, so does Mother Giselle. So shouldn't they be pissed off knowing that a Qunari, Dwarf or Elf have become the Herald? Thats sounds like blasphemy. Dwarves are usually racists, especially towards elves, so why doesn't that show?  

I agree. It seems the ability to play a racist elf hating human or vice versa has been stripped from the games. Or a mage hater for that matter. Or a being able to play a mage supermacist. I would have epected alot more resistance from everybody really. If elf/dwarf/qunari you should have meet trouble everywhere you turned and it should have been alot harder for  you. Who you recruited Mages/templars should have made you more enemies or allies than already so. Being a mage should have netted you alot of doubt even among your followers such as Cass, Sera. Also accepting Bull{because he is qunari} and Dorain {because he is a mage from Trevinator]and a few other companions should have lost you support or maybe breaking point with other companions. Where it is either you get rid of someone or they go.Or at the very least cost you allies had people desert among other things.There were alot of missed opportunities with Inquistion. It is kinda sad really. Hopefully they will correct this next game and not just have it where you can play "'3 shades of nice guy'. A little more variety please.

[chrstnmonks]

I definitely agree with the above.

 

I've yet to find it in me to complete a playthrough with a Cadash or an Adaar, sticking mainly with the Lavellans and Trevalyans. I feel like in a DA game, there shouldn't be any story - or lack of - reasons for not desiring to play certain races. The racial dialog options were a good first step, but I really hope to see them expand on that line of thought in the future. 

 

Another missed opportunity with racial tension was Halamshiral. Sure, if you're an elf, qunari, or mage, you instantly lose some of the crowd points, but we never really see that. I recently finished reading The Masked Empire, and holy cow, Orlesians are total jerks to elves. How come no one is coming up to my elf and calling her rabbit? Or knife ear? There's little touches missing from some of the major story moments, and I think fleshing them out would have really helped the atmosphere (also, considering how much of Inquisition seems to be tied in with the books, it's puzzling that they'd ignore world-building aspects of the books. Like are they world canon, or aren't they?)

 

And yes, yes, yes to the Mabari. There just isn't a good reason to not have an adorable puppy running around.

Another thing I think they handle badly was the introduction of Celene Briala and Gaspard. Which is a shame. 

[In Exile]

While I agree with your criticism of DAI, I absolutely and vehently disagree that DAO was any different.

[QueenPurpleScrap]

I played a male rogue elf the first time, then female mage Qunari, followed by female human mage and now a rogue female dwarf. There are some subtle differences and I enjoyed each character. Even though I would like a little more conflict within my party, I am still planning on more playthroughs. I also thought Mother Ghiselle would be a perfect candidate. If the power of the Inquisition can put Vivienne on the throne . . .

 

I do think the Warden's situation is different from the Inquisitor. In DAO not everybody was convinced there was a Blight and many thought Wardens were a historical remnant. We (the Warden and a few others) know it's a Blight but not even our Warden knows until the end that not just anybody can kill an Archdemon dead dead dead. With a respected hero saying the Wardens are the bad guys there's no compelling reason for people to get over their prejudices, or at least overlook them. Not only that, there are other Wardens in Thedas.

 

In DAI, the respected person, Divine Justinia, dies. She's not influencing anybody, at least not directly. Demons are falling from the sky, people are scared and there is no longer any group with authority able and willing to fight the evil and protect everybody. Celene and Gaspard are fighting, the Templars and Seekers are not interested. Only one person in Thedas seems to have the capability to close the rifts and bring a measure of sanity back to the land. I think fear of demons is overshadowing a lot of concerns about a dwarf/qunari/elf/mage being the Divine. There might be mumbling, but I believe that for most people their prejudices are taking a back seat until we have peace again. You have the Left and Right Hands of the Divine on your side, after all. If the person in front of you is the only one who can stop demons from dropping on your roof, are you going to risk offending them by calling them knife-ear?

[pdusen]

With the obvious exception of not having playable origins, it felt to me like DAI had a lot more racial reactivity than DAO.

Not that I've done a census or anything.

[Kantr]

Yes. I do think the game was based around a human and having a City elf would have made more sense. It's just sad to know what no matter who you play, you are treated roughly the same. I mean, lets be real, Cassandra believes in the Maker, so does Mother Giselle. So shouldn't they be pissed off knowing that a Qunari, Dwarf or Elf have become the Herald? Thats sounds like blasphemy. Dwarves are usually racists, especially towards elves, so why doesn't that show?  

maybe surface dwarves arent racist?