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[Rhidor]

Hello there!

 

I recently started my Nightmare playthrough in Inquisition. I'm playing as mage, and made it to the final confrontation with Envy.

 

However, as I have expected to see just one more supply cache on my way to the boss, I'm stuck at next to no life left for my character and companions. The last crate was before the whole mission of veteran recruitment and the barrier battle.

 

I can't continue now. I have no way to defeat the boss with this low amount of health, and not even changing difficulty (which I won't for the trophy) couldn't save my playthrough now.

 

I think that's not simply "how careful you are with your supplies". Who could know beforehand that there wouldn't be another supply crate? It's simply frustrating.

 

Have any of you mastered this boss fight under these circumstances? I'm not even sure how to beat demon-envy, mage-envy will be a whole new level of impossible.

[Taki17]

There should be a supply cache just behind the barrier, take a look around.

 

Also, what level are you? By the time I got there, I was grossly overleveled (about 4 levels higher than the demon), so the fight was a cakewalk.

 

Advice: take regeneration potions with you. They eliminate the need for returning to camps or using health potions after tougher fights. Also good for healing party members who are currently not being attacked.

[andy6915]

It shouldn't be that hard, I just did it myself on nightmare. Let me guess, you went there too early? I did it at level 12.

[Bigdawg13]

There is a supply crate behind the barrier. Go up the stairs, check both sides and in the middle. It is there .

[Rhidor]

I'm level 7, the highest recommended level before the mission. At this point it is too late to get any regeneration potions.

 

Wouldn't overleveling mean a lot of grinding/fetching?

[CorniliuS]

Champions of the Just? easy to beat on lvl 7-8 all you need is love...and spirit resistance.

[Rhidor]

That's really helpful man, thanks

[andy6915]

I'm level 7, the highest recommended level before the mission. At this point it is too late to get any regeneration potions.

 

Wouldn't overleveling mean a lot of grinding/fetching?

 

No. I just did all the quests in the 4 areas available (Fallow Mire, Forbidden Oasis, Storm Coast, and of course the Hinterlands). I simply saved the main story missions for last.

[Rhidor]

No. I just did all the quests in the 4 areas available (Fallow Mire, Forbidden Oasis, Storm Coast, and of course the Hinterlands). I simply saved the main story missions for last.

 

You did all the quests? That's dedication. Some of the collecter-mission become quite stale in my view.

 

I thought the game would be beatable with tactics like before... isn't that a thing anymore? Just grinding?

[CorniliuS]

That's really helpful man, thanks

Sorry man but there is nothing I can help you with, or lower the difficulty or go back and craft proper armor, you don't even need health tonics on this quest, well you need two or three for final battle with envy. And if you can't beat envy and templars how are you going to win in next big battle against venatory and mages.

[Rhidor]

Sorry man but there is nothing I can help you with, or lower the difficulty or go back and craft proper armor, you don't even need health tonics on this quest, well you need two or three for final battle with envy. And if you can't beat envy and templars how are you going to win in next big battle against venatory and mages.

 

"Go back and craft proper armor". Apart from my equipment being solid, that would also mean the entire quest progress if not more will be deleted. No easy going back here.

 

I would've had time to get one more level before the Venatori/Mage attack.

[capn233]

As said, there is a supply crate in the main hall where Berris is holding off the enemies while you screw around finding loyal templar and the lyrium.  After they break the barrier, there is another cache before fighting Envy.  If it isn't there for whatever reason then reload a prior save and try again.

 

Envy isn't too bad for a mostly ranged party.  He is annoying for melee characters though.  If you have experience fighting the demon commander in multiplayer you should be ok for that fight.

[andy6915]

You did all the quests? That's dedication. Some of the collecter-mission become quite stale in my view.

 

Well, yeah. All the ones that can be completed, anyway. Things like shard collection and things like some of the inner circle quests that require me to go go areas not yet open until Skyhold are of course not done (not that I ever intend to do that stupid shard collection nonsense), but my journal is basically empty except for character quests and main quests the shard one for the forbidden oasis subsection.

 

Oh yeah, and I killed the Hinterlands high dragon early at level 11. That pushed me up an extra level, I'd probably be either late into level 11 still or be just barely level 12 without that. As it is, I'm only about 2000 exp from level 13 and I'm just about to start In Your Heart Shall Burn.

[PapaCharlie9]

 

I thought the game would be beatable with tactics like before... isn't that a thing anymore? Just grinding?

 

All boss battles have effective tactics and Envy is no exception. In fact, Envy seems to be a poplar "brag" subject on YouTube, where people show how tactics can defeat Envy, even when under severe handicaps. Here's a video of a level 5 solo Archer with no armor and no healing beating Envy on Nightmare.

 

 

That's not meant to make you feel bad -- everyone has a tough time with Envy on the first PT. It just takes some study to learn the tactics that are most effective. Here are a few off the top of my head:

 

* Attack at range, to stay out of its Terror-demon style paralyze/weaken AoE attack

* Dodge it's predictable/slow moving ranged attacks

* Take out adds (the templars that spawn) as soon as possible

* Run away ... do a lot of running away, particularly when you get the visual clue that Envy is about to ambush from the Fade

* If you can't run away or evade, use a party member as a staked goat to attract Envy's aggro/attention -- they may all end up taking a dirt nap, but last man standing wins

 

It's also worth mentioning that grenade attacks are also extremely effective -- pretty much the reason why you get the Bee Grenade schematic so early. I know that doesn't help you if you don't have them equipped or ran out of them, but it's basically the easiest way to defeat Envy.

[Rannik]

Umm... just CC before it goes underground and hit until it dies? That boss is pretty much faceroll as long as you keep your dudes spread out.

 

[Rhidor]

 

That's not meant to make you feel bad -- everyone has a tough time with Envy on the first PT. It just takes some study to learn the tactics that are most effective. Here are a few off the top of my head:

 

 

It's actually my sixth playthrough. I only played on casual so far, though.

 

Thanks for the tip. In the end, the running method worked fine for me - attack, run, revive, repeat.

 

The thing blocking me out mostly was that all my companions and my character had next to no health and no healing supplies, but thanks to the people answering here I was able to locate the one I missed.

 

Thanks for the help, everyone!

[Paragon Fury]

The first major story mission (Champions of the Just/Mage Equivalent) is the first time the game really punishes you for not using Tactical Cam and Controls. Basically its your wake-up call that you're going to need to use Tac. Cam and fine controls and the play-by-play features because if you try to use action cam and real time fighting often you'll take too much unneeded damage/use too many supplies before you really need them.

 

Its also kind of funny, because the later missions start to give you more refills than you need compared to the early missions.